Quote from: Sambollio on September 23, 2022, 09:25:14 PMSpeaking anecdotally I disagree somewhat. In this response I’m assuming these males are in the US (because that’s what I know), decent looking but not hot, they have good hygiene, dress well, workout etc. but they aren’t super gifted in the face department, just average or slightly above. Also, like you said, this applies to men in their mid 20’s to mid 30’s. I think this age range is important because most people will be out of school, brains fully developed, in the “real world” and looking for a life partner. I’m going to compare how much success/money you need at various heights to have equivalent sized dating pools.
That being established this is what I’ve observed, the shorter you are the success required to balance that out will go up exponentially. For example a 5’9” male making low 6 figures and with decent looks is going to have a large dating pool. But once you get into the “short” category (about 5’6”) to be as attractive as that 5’9” low six figure income male you have to make a lot more, more than double for sure. Status is probably a more accurate variable than money though even though the two almost always go hand in hand. So I’d say if the 5’9” male is a computer programmer with a bachelors degree, then to be equally attractive the 5’6” male has to something like a surgeon. Once you are in the “very short” category (5’3”ish) that becomes extremely difficult to overcome. At that point you are looking at being a B list celebrity or a CEO of a decent sized corporation. I also think once you are that short, the label will never leave you. I know it’s harsh but at that height the way people see you will always be mired by your height. Going below that into the barely or even below 5 foot range I don’t think is possible to overcome. Of course keep in mind that there will always be exceptions but I’m talking equivalent dating pools.
The flip side is being above average height (5’11” to 6’) allows you to work a lower status job like being a teacher or a family therapist to be equivalent to the shorter more successful heights. Going even taller to what most people would consider ideal, the standard “tall” height range (6’1”to 6’3”) I think the equivalent status would be trades, like being a real estate agent or a welder. I don’t think you get much benefit that I’m aware of for being taller than that, the very tall category (6’4” and up) seems to have diminishing returns and actually might not increase attractiveness.
Anyways those are my thoughts and would like to hear anyone elses. I’m not trying to doomer pull anyone, this is just what I’ve observed and could totally be proven wrong. To close out, here are some, mostly anecdotal/ case studies that have influenced my opinions.
Case study on what men women would chose based on height and jobs:
Sketchy data on how much money you need to make based on height:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/ac29zz/dating_heightincome_trade_off_for_men_and_women/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
An actual good study showing that the minimum height women would date is 5’9 and ideally men are 8 inches taller than the woman:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913000020
This video was absolutely brutal I remember watching it a few months prior to actually getting the surgery. It’s so demeaning when you realize how much less “valued” you are compared to someone who is tall. For example when they start adding the occupations and salaries they are pretty much saying your value is this much less than another man. How those men must’ve felt is beyond me.
After I got cheated by my ex, in addition to having known other way more imporant things, I ripped off my obsessions over height, face and other similar shiesses, and gave up a crep ton of expectations to relationship.
If you're specifically concerned about women, physical attractiveness is a priority. Girls will f*** a handsome and tall guy, even if he's an unlikeable broke druggie. That's just the way it goes and we all know it.
Nah dude. A poor 6’0+ guy will still bag a lot of girls.
True.
From my experience, only big muscles can make a short man appear manly enough. And even them can't help with women if you are shorter that 5.5-5.6. If.you are more than 5.7 but still not tall enough (less than 5.10-11) then muscles help a lot. More women would think you as big (for many of them being big or tall is about the same but at 5.4 you can't look big even if you are very muscular) and men will respect you much more.
Nothing else I believe can counter a good height for a man. Even muscles are hard to gain and keep while a good height will always stay there without any effort and is a major advantage especially for women.
But it is what it is and we must accept the reality and of course do the best we can to be our best version.
Money are very important to get women but still noone will be physically attracted to you only because you have money. And I am talking about physical attraction here. I would never want a woman to be with me only for my money. I always wanted to attract women with my appearance and my character. And in physicall attraction being dominant is the best way for women to be attracted to you. And the best way is to be "big" compared to her. And especially if your height is not enough, the best you can do is what I mentioned.
Quote from: Body Builder on December 02, 2022, 10:59:36 PMFrom my experience, only big muscles can make a short man appear manly enough. And even them can help with women if you are shorter that 5.5-5.6. If.you are more than 5.7 but still not tall enough (less than 5.10-11) then muscles help a lot. More women would think you as big (for many of them being big or tall is about the same but at 5.4 you can't look big even if you are very muscular) and men will respect you much more.
Nothing else I believe can counter a good height for a man. Even muscles are hard to gain and keep while a good height will always stay there without any effort and is a major advantage especially for women.
But it is what it is and we must accept the reality and of course do the best we can to be our best version.
How are your legs doing BB
A tall, gangster will attract women and eventually have an accidential child with her.
At this point tho, the woman screwed up her life
Quote from: TheDream on December 02, 2022, 11:04:25 PMHow are your legs doing BB
After the last surgery I had about 4 years ago to shorten my achilles tendons that was messed up from my first doctor with achilles lengthening, I am better than ever.
Quote from: Body Builder on December 02, 2022, 11:25:28 PMAfter the last surgery I had about 4 years ago to shorten my achilles tendons that was messed up from my first doctor with achilles lengthening, I am better than ever.
Glad to hear it.
How are your views on tibia lengthening in general? Do you think it’s possible to maintain ~90% of athletic ability if one goes for 3 cm to not strain the ACL too much?
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