One thing I've realised is that even after successful LL and attaining your target LL, people will go back to their usual ways and worry start worrying about old and new things. It's human nature after all to be preoccupied and entertained with their past and future, leading to depression and anxiety. We have been programmed this way by society to crave and consume things, an endless cycle, otherwise you'll be considered a failure. Relationships, status, fame, wealth, possessions, looks, trying to impress others etc....You will never be content with superficial materialistic desires, chasing materialistic dreams seems to be an illusion, only to end up with temporary satisfaction and then going back to old ways of worrying about something else to seek perfection. Life's basically a game that we can never win. Something I'm sure most people in their deathbeds realise, along with the futility of longing and suffering for such desires.
Anyway take it easy, don't take life seriously, try and live in the current moment, forget the concept of wasted life and start new by setting realistic goals you'll be content without being overly consumed and detrimental to your wellbeing. F*** judgemental superficial people, you cannot impress everyone. Try being happy with less, something I'm striving for and realised after my LL.
In a sense you are absolutely right. We are caught in a vicious circle of our society.
However, I do not agree with you when you summarize this routine with single note case (that of the Man).
All species on this planet have a routine, an already programmed system that they must follow. We are one of the few to have free will, a possible choice.
Yes, society imposes a lifestyle on us. But we make the choice to follow him, not because it is in our instinct but because we are too weak to oppose it or not rich enough to live there.
There are many who live outside this crazy world of consumption by choice or because they can not afford it.
If I always wanted to have an LL for my part it's because I always had a well-defined image of who I wanted to be. I have never had a problem with what others think of me. My only fear is to wake up old knowing I have not done what I had to do and not look like the one I would like to be.
You can try to follow this society or you can try to rise above it and for it you must be at peace with yourself and be the one you want to be. From there, nothing will be able to reach you, not even money or this system of consumption.
Yes we all do have choice, however unfortunately majority of us won't realise this due to being totally hardwired, dictated and distracted by the system imposed by the society.
Given the psychological (i.e. mental) origin of height dysphoria (is anyone going to argue with me HN/HD is thyroidal in origin?), yes, there's probably a tendency in most to focus on another neurosis or craving after LL, if the LL is enough to make it go away.
Obviously, our discontent with our height stems from how either others treat us, how see ourselves, or both. However, there was never any higher power forcing us to care this much about it, or feel about it the way we do when it's brought up to us.
Quote from: myloginacct on May 15, 2018, 10:40:49 AMGiven the psychological (i.e. mental) origin of height dysphoria (is anyone going to argue with me HN/HD is thyroidal in origin?),
If by "thyroidal" you meant "originating from the thyroid", then I'm guessing you could find a whole host of people willing to argue with you, yes
Quoteyes, there's probably a tendency in most to focus on another neurosis or craving after LL, if the LL is enough to make it go away.
Obviously, our discontent with our height stems from how either others treat us, how see ourselves, or both. However, there was never any higher power forcing us to care this much about it, or feel about it the way we do when it's brought up to us.
I don't think this follows. If the source of a "neurosis" is external to the individual (i.e. based on others' treatment of the individual), there's no reason to think it's likely for an individual who was able to beat a neurosis by addressing its cause (short stature) would develop another unless they have some other physical feature that elicits similar treatment by that person's peers as their short stature did - for example, androgenic alopecia, having a small penis, having a particularly unattractive face, being a member of an ethnic group considered conventionally unattractive (in males, asians/brown-skinned groups such as indians come to mind)
The majority of individuals can live perfectly fine with one or more aesthetic flaws so long as their quality of life does not suffer considerably as a result of those flaws (as is the case with short statured/balding/small penis/facially unattractive men), hence it is much more reasonable to conclude that in order for an imperfection to be a source of a neurosis, that imperfection must be pronounced enough to elicit severe discrimination/mistreatment from a person's peers.
Quote from: extremis on May 17, 2018, 04:33:50 PMIf by "thyroidal" you meant "originating from the thyroid", then I'm guessing you could find a whole host of people willing to argue with you, yes
I don't think this follows. If the source of a "neurosis" is external to the individual (i.e. based on others' treatment of the individual), there's no reason to think it's likely for an individual who was able to beat a neurosis by addressing its cause (short stature) would develop another unless they have some other physical feature that elicits similar treatment by that person's peers as their short stature did - for example, androgenic alopecia, having a small penis, having a particularly unattractive face, being a member of an ethnic group considered conventionally unattractive (in males, asians/brown-skinned groups such as indians come to mind)
The majority of individuals can live perfectly fine with one or more aesthetic flaws so long as their quality of life does not suffer considerably as a result of those flaws (as is the case with short statured/balding/small penis/facially unattractive men), hence it is much more reasonable to conclude that in order for an imperfection to be a source of a neurosis, that imperfection must be pronounced enough to elicit severe discrimination/mistreatment from a person's peers.
Thinking more about this issue, I mostly agree with you.
I disagree with a notion that all height neurosis cases are purely due to external reasons, however. It's mostly in these exceptions that I'd expect a tendency to move onto something else - so not "most", as I've previously stated.
Quote from: LAGrowin on May 14, 2018, 07:32:42 PMI understand how you feel completely, at just under168 before LL myself, I would always compare my height with others, it's is something you constantly think about, but thinking that life is wasted is too much. It sounds like you don't have a very positive mentality in general, and you really need to change that period. You are young.
You might not have any immediate control over the situation right at the moment, so your energy should concentrate on what you can do now. Finish school, work hard, save, save, save, and put yourself in a situation where you can do LL with a competent Doctor and in a safe environment.
I am 45 years old, and just went through LL myself. I didn't see myself as being too old. I am now more mature, and financially stable. Yes, I would have loved to get LL earlier in life, but I couldn't do it for many reasons. I will enjoy the next 15 years of being the height I always wanted, and will make the most of it.
Be positive first, and sacrifice a little under your current circumstances. Focus on your future after LL.
Wish you all the best!
Thanks for your comment. I try to think possitif in different ways but every conclusion i finally come feels like that, i can't really describe it different. Something is wasted. I would like to be mentally strong but i cant force my brain to be possitif.
Quote from: myloginacct on May 14, 2018, 11:49:09 PMIt must be heavy living in the tallest country in the world at that height...
I say consider vacations in Portugal (northern and south), or maybe moving there after you're finished with school. A degree from the Netherlands will be very appreciated there. And you don't know need to sacrifice your legs and years of your life to almost become average. It's also an EU country with high standards of living.
Thanks for your advice, but average or not if you could live your live in the same circumstances like them and been too short wouldnt make you mantally broken, then you can be satisfied of your live. It is al least in your hands to be. Not that I could ever do LL but i would encourage those who do that and be happy for them.
And isnt it verry embarrassing enough to have to leave your homeland to get happiness??
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