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Posted on Nov 11, 2015, 10:15 pm
#1
It has helped me, it didn't cure my height neurosis mind you but I am at a point where I know that I will be satisfied with just a small gain of 4 cm or so. Height doesn't dominate my thoughts like it used to and I don't feel nearly as self counscious around taller people anymore. LL is now something I want to do quickly, safely and fast that I may close this chapter and move on and I think this is a much healthier attitude.

Finally I am also sober enough to realize that even though I would be ecstatic to gain 5, 6 or 7 cm, it makes more sense to aim lower. As I age and mature height will become less important and at that point I would rather have done too little than too much.

Bottom line is, try therapy to sober up before you rush into something dangerous.
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Posted on Nov 11, 2015, 10:42 pm
#2
I agree with this 100% Sure, mind you I actually just recently started my therapy two weeks ago, it has helped tremendously already. Even at my own height of just barely 5'4 I'm living life much better then what I was experiencing 1-2 months ago.

It is true that it won't cure your height neurosis 100% (or ever really depending on the person; I know it can't for me), I'm no longer in a pit of despair that once held me back. In fact I would say that the pit of despair I was in was what held me back socially the most.

Don't shy away from professional help because you think it won't help; the point is to alleviate the pain.
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Posted on Nov 12, 2015, 1:47 am
#3
Me too. A big help was learning new skills, getting in really good shape, and hanging out with and befriending successful short people who legitimately don't give a crap about their heights and accomplish everything they set their minds to. This made me realize that mindset is much more important that any purely physical trait.

While I'd still love to be taller (and feel that I was supposed to be taller), I'm never depressed about my height anymore. Before, I almost hated myself because of it.
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Posted on Nov 12, 2015, 3:17 pm
#4
I've been going to therapy once a week, and it doesn't help me at all. All I'm using it for is a means to tide me over until I do further LL (either in my femurs or tibias). Of course therapy is helping you guys, you guys ARE NOT SHORT (not sure about Alu's height). I am still short, and all I want is to be average.

For me I have to choose between:
1. Do femurs and have bad proportions (but be 5'9", the lowest one can be and still be considered "average" in most cases, or "low average" at worst). Fast recovery.
2. Do tibias (what I really want to do), but lose my career and be jobless and broke. Eternal recovery.

So I'm essentially forced to do femurs, it seems. The mockups (which I've considered sharing on here, but I feel like everyone is going to make me feel terrible) actually don't look that much different from how I am now with more on femurs...but the tibia mockups of course look better.

I don't mean to minimize anyone's problems, but you 5'10" and up guys will never appreciate how good you have it. You may not be tall, but most importantly...you do not have the negatives of being labeled as short.
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Posted on Nov 12, 2015, 4:26 pm
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Quote from: YellowSpike on November 12, 2015, 03:17:53 PM
I've been going to therapy once a week, and it doesn't help me at all. All I'm using it for is a means to tide me over until I do further LL (either in my femurs or tibias). Of course therapy is helping you guys, you guys ARE NOT SHORT (not sure about Alu's height). I am still short, and all I want is to be average.

For me I have to choose between:
1. Do femurs and have bad proportions (but be 5'9", the lowest one can be and still be considered "average" in most cases, or "low average" at worst). Fast recovery.
2. Do tibias (what I really want to do), but lose my career and be jobless and broke. Eternal recovery.

So I'm essentially forced to do femurs, it seems. The mockups (which I've considered sharing on here, but I feel like everyone is going to make me feel terrible) actually don't look that much different from how I am now with more on femurs...but the tibia mockups of course look better.

I don't mean to minimize anyone's problems, but you 5'10" and up guys will never appreciate how good you have it. You may not be tall, but most importantly...you do not have the negatives of being labeled as short.

You say with doing tibias you would be broke, but with femurs not. I dont understand that, because a femur operation costs usually much more than tibias...If I remember right you would re-break your femurs and only do 2.5 cm. Would your doctor do that with little money?

A tibia operation would be not more than 20 000 € if you do LATN/LON. So I dont get why that would make you broke. Lose your whole career? I assume you are talking of a office job. I dont think you would lose your whole career if you are out for 6-9 months...

So in my opinion it should be:

1. Re-break femurs: Be broke, bad proportions, little height gain, fast recovery
2. Do tibias (2-3 inches): Not be broke, good proportions, good height gain, be tall, longer recovery.
3. Do tibias (1 inch): Not be broke, good proportions, little height gain, fast recovery.

But maybe I did not get something here...
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Posted on Nov 12, 2015, 4:41 pm
#6
No jfk, you don't understand...

Even for an inch, tibias are just a lot harder with a longer recovery than femurs. Dr. Guichet himself has advised me against doing tibias because my femur recovery was slow-ish (he said he always does femurs first to get a sense of how tibias will go for each patient), although another surgeon told me that was probably because rotary nails aren't the best for recovery and negatively impact blood flow to femurs. The thing is, everything Dr. G has told me so far has come true, so I really got scared when he advised against doing femurs. I trust him.

If I were to do a femur re-break, it would cost significantly less than what I just did, and about on par with what you listed as the cost for LON. And I can't do LON, because even with an inch, it'll take too long to consolidate. I'd have to suck it up and do an internal method for tibias (with the surgeon I want for tibias, it's gonna cost around 35-40K euros). Femurs would be super fast too, which I like. But f*cking God damned proportions...

Yes I have an office job, but having a gap in your resume really isn't kosher in this day and age, and I don't want to end up taking a pay cut in order to do this (when you have no job, getting a job and negotiating a good salary is much, much harder. I don't want to be put in that position). 

I don't even know if I have it in me to do tibias. They scare me, and they just are gonna take longer. I have a bad feeling about doing tibias, even only an inch terrifies me. But I've been in contact with Dr. G (who is still against tibias for me, but insists I can do another inch and not completely ruin my proportions) and the other surgeon as to the future for me.
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Posted on Nov 12, 2015, 5:22 pm
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Quote from: YellowSpike on November 12, 2015, 03:17:53 PM
I've been going to therapy once a week, and it doesn't help me at all. All I'm using it for is a means to tide me over until I do further LL (either in my femurs or tibias). Of course therapy is helping you guys, you guys ARE NOT SHORT (not sure about Alu's height). I am still short, and all I want is to be average.

For me I have to choose between:
1. Do femurs and have bad proportions (but be 5'9", the lowest one can be and still be considered "average" in most cases, or "low average" at worst). Fast recovery.
2. Do tibias (what I really want to do), but lose my career and be jobless and broke. Eternal recovery.

So I'm essentially forced to do femurs, it seems. The mockups (which I've considered sharing on here, but I feel like everyone is going to make me feel terrible) actually don't look that much different from how I am now with more on femurs...but the tibia mockups of course look better.

I don't mean to minimize anyone's problems, but you 5'10" and up guys will never appreciate how good you have it. You may not be tall, but most importantly...you do not have the negatives of being labeled as short.

I too do not mean to minimize but surely you can recognize how important mindset is. My friend is 168 cm -that is 13 cm below average and he lives a more social and successful life than me despite being short. You are 5 cm taller in a country where the average is lower, try to gain some perspective mate as I have.
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Posted on Nov 12, 2015, 5:39 pm
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Quote from: YellowSpike on November 12, 2015, 04:41:21 PM
No jfk, you don't understand...

Even for an inch, tibias are just a lot harder with a longer recovery than femurs. Dr. Guichet himself has advised me against doing tibias because my femur recovery was slow-ish (he said he always does femurs first to get a sense of how tibias will go for each patient), although another surgeon told me that was probably because rotary nails aren't the best for recovery and negatively impact blood flow to femurs. The thing is, everything Dr. G has told me so far has come true, so I really got scared when he advised against doing femurs. I trust him.

If I were to do a femur re-break, it would cost significantly less than what I just did, and about on par with what you listed as the cost for LON. And I can't do LON, because even with an inch, it'll take too long to consolidate. I'd have to suck it up and do an internal method for tibias (with the surgeon I want for tibias, it's gonna cost around 35-40K euros). Femurs would be super fast too, which I like. But f*cking God damned proportions...

Yes I have an office job, but having a gap in your resume really isn't kosher in this day and age, and I don't want to end up taking a pay cut in order to do this (when you have no job, getting a job and negotiating a good salary is much, much harder. I don't want to be put in that position). 

I don't even know if I have it in me to do tibias. They scare me, and they just are gonna take longer. I have a bad feeling about doing tibias, even only an inch terrifies me. But I've been in contact with Dr. G (who is still against tibias for me, but insists I can do another inch and not completely ruin my proportions) and the other surgeon as to the future for me.

Dr. Guichet advised you against femurs and against tibias? That is what you have stated and that is strange. He basically says: You can not get any taller.

Let me tell some things here. You really overestimate breaking tibias. I dont know where your fear of breaking your tibias is coming from but I did tibias and it really is not that bad. What I often read is that people make up something in their mind and take it as a fact. Like you take the assumption of "tibias is too hard" and take it as a fact. What happens then is that you restrict yourself and your possiblities without having facts but assumptions. Like people say: It is not possible to be a millionaire so they never try and never will be. They just assume something and take it as a fact and therefore never reach their goals. That is why they never will get millionaires. What I am trying to tell you is that you should not block yourself in your head. Dont think of breaking your tibias as something you can not do or can not recover from. Try to fight your fear from breaking your tibias. Make yourself free of restrictions.
You say "I cant do LON" and "If I do tibias my career will crush". Why do you restrict yourself? These are assumptions, not facts. You really need to get over your fears of breaking your tibias.

Anyway I am just trying you to see some aspects you havent before and it is your decision.
If you ask me you can get 2-3 inches in your tibias. And yes you can do LON/LATN. And no, your career will not fall apart. Will it be easy? No. Will it take some time? Yes.
But will you be happy with your height afterwards? Hell yeah Try therapy

If you make it to be able to do tibias I am sure you would come out stronger. You would find peace with yourself because you reached a very good height. Never ever thinking about height problems again. But you need to push yourself to make that step...
 
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Posted on Nov 12, 2015, 6:15 pm
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Nope, that was my goof. He advised against tibias, and only tibias. He says that my "best option" to get a bit taller is one more inch on femurs and that my proportions won't be that bad. He had said a lot of his patients started shorted than me, and did 10cm+ and look ok. He showed me a pic of one of them (face blurred out) and the guy looks great in clothes (as do I, and I think I would even after 2.5cm more)...but nked might be another story.

Maybe I'm overestimating tibias, but they just scare me, even before Dr. G said what he said. He basically said tibias can take a very long time to heal, and sometimes are still healing after a year. And he said that my femurs healed kind of slow (by his standards, I suppose), and for that reason, he thinks tibias will take super long for me.

I know that more LL is 100% in my future...I just don't know what form it will take. I really do not want a gap on my resume...if I were rich/just out of college/had my own company then no problem - but that isn't the case for me.

I'll figure it out eventually.


Quote from: Uppland on November 12, 2015, 05:22:17 PM
I too do not mean to minimize but surely you can recognize how important mindset is. My friend is 168 cm -that is 13 cm below average and he lives a more social and successful life than me despite being short. You are 5 cm taller in a country where the average is lower, try to gain some perspective mate as I have.


I know man. Just doesn't change the way I feel. But thanks.
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Posted on Nov 12, 2015, 7:43 pm
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Quote from: YellowSpike on November 12, 2015, 06:15:06 PM
Of course therapy is helping you guys, you guys ARE NOT SHORT (not sure about Alu's height). I am still short, and all I want is to be average.

may not be tall, but most importantly...you do not have the negatives of being labeled as short.

As much as I hate to say it, I think you are right about this one. At least you have a lot of other things going for you that many tall people out there will never have.
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