Quote from: more on January 01, 2023, 03:05:23 PMDon't you understand that risks with Lon monorail are higher? especially infection?,why did you choose him ? Marketing?
Because before I went to the Wannabetaller team, I didn’t know that Wannabetaller would let patients promote the team on social platforms by reducing surgery fees and accommodation fees and giving patients rebates. Before I went to Wannabetaller, I met one of their patients named Moon through China’s Sina Weibo platform. She posted her recovery process diary in Wannabetaller’s WeChat group and social platforms every day and told me that Wannabetaller has no one be infected .Now I don’t think so! I sent the WeChat chat records with her before I went to Wannabetaller, I don’t know if you can understand. When I arrived at Wannabetaller's hotel, she showed me her calf Lon. She told me that Wannabetaller is a very good service team, so I did the surgery with confidence. After the operation, I found that Yuksel did not fulfill the promise before the operation, such as three extra needles in the knee but before operation he sail only two in the knee , the suture of the wound was rough, and I was delayed for 20 days when removing the stent, because Yuksel said that the boss of Wannabetaller did not make an appointment with him time and the operating room is busy. When I was in the extended period, several patients had a dispute with patient Moon in Wannabetaller’s WeChat group because of surgery problems, accusing her of making false publicity for the team, and one of the patients named Regina’s inner thigh had been repaired 4 times by Yuksel, she said She almost died on the operating table...and Moon lied about the Wannabetaller surgery in order to deceive the patient that the surgery was not painful, in fact the surgery was very painful, and at that time Wannabetaller lacked tramadol, a strong painkiller, which made it unbearable Painful patient is outraged, and Wannabetaller lied to patient about Yuksel's thigh Lon surgery was done from the knee which caused a girl named Mia to have sore knees that couldn't bend, and Moon got infected with Omicron after removing the stent Instead of staying in the hotel, go to the door of Mia's room to quarrel with him about infecting the patients who are in the extended period of the virus. In short, at that time, several patients had a fierce argument with the moon. Some patient told me she saw on wannabetaller's computer that Patient Moon earned 1,400 euros from my surgery, and moon’s surgery and accommodation costs were half that of other patients.The patient named regina was repaired 4 times because of the inferior materials purchased by Wannabetaller. She hoped that the team could compensate her, but the team not only did not compensate her, but also broke into her room in the middle of the night and demanded that she continue to pay the accommodation fee, otherwise it would be confiscated. Her extension tool, Wannabetaller's bosses tried to convince her to bring in new patients for Wannabetaller, bringing in one patient and giving her 1000 euros as compensation for her surgical mistakes. Regina said she rejected this ridiculous way of compensation! That night regina called the police because the extension tool was robbed by Wannabetaller's staff, and the next day regina moved out of the suffocatingly small and expensive hotel in Wannabetaller. If you need, I can recommend Regina's Wechat to you, and you can ask her about her experience in Wannabetaller. This is my Weibo: https://weibo.com/u/7384185539
Turkish Wannabetaller team made me suffer from chronic osteomyelitis
Quote from: Neo2023 on January 01, 2023, 11:12:09 PMIf you say that the infection is not caused by the frequency of gauze changes, when did the virus enter your legs? Is the intramedullary nail used during the operation contaminated by bacteria? Or is the pins of the external fixator used during the operation contaminated by bacteria? Or did your wound become infected with bacteria during the lengthening period? To clarify this issue, this is the most critical issue
My leg had no symptoms of trauma infection until the swelling appeared at the broken bone at July 8. Physicians other than yunus and Yuksel thought the nails were carrying bacteria that caused the infection. Because of the small number of bacteria, the role of my resistance, it did not attack early.
Quote from: Victims of the Wannabetaller2 on January 03, 2023, 12:37:50 AMBecause before I went to the Wannabetaller team, I didn’t know that Wannabetaller would let patients promote the team on social platforms by reducing surgery fees and accommodation fees and giving patients rebates. Before I went to Wannabetaller, I met one of their patients named Moon through China’s Sina Weibo platform. She posted her recovery process diary in Wannabetaller’s WeChat group and social platforms every day and told me that Wannabetaller has no one be infected .Now I don’t think so! I sent the WeChat chat records with her before I went to Wannabetaller, I don’t know if you can understand. When I arrived at Wannabetaller's hotel, she showed me her calf Lon. She told me that Wannabetaller is a very good service team, so I did the surgery with confidence. After the operation, I found that Yuksel did not fulfill the promise before the operation, such as three extra needles in the knee but before operation he sail only two in the knee , the suture of the wound was rough, and I was delayed for 20 days when removing the stent, because Yuksel said that the boss of Wannabetaller did not make an appointment with him time and the operating room is busy. When I was in the extended period, several patients had a dispute with patient Moon in Wannabetaller’s WeChat group because of surgery problems, accusing her of making false publicity for the team, and one of the patients named Regina’s inner thigh had been repaired 4 times by Yuksel, she said She almost died on the operating table...and Moon lied about the Wannabetaller surgery in order to deceive the patient that the surgery was not painful, in fact the surgery was very painful, and at that time Wannabetaller lacked tramadol, a strong painkiller, which made it unbearable Painful patient is outraged, and Wannabetaller lied to patient about Yuksel's thigh Lon surgery was done from the knee which caused a girl named Mia to have sore knees that couldn't bend, and Moon got infected with Omicron after removing the stent Instead of staying in the hotel, go to the door of Mia's room to quarrel with him about infecting the patients who are in the extended period of the virus. In short, at that time, several patients had a fierce argument with the moon. Some patient told me she saw on wannabetaller's computer that Patient Moon earned 1,400 euros from my surgery, and moon’s surgery and accommodation costs were half that of other patients.The patient named regina was repaired 4 times because of the inferior materials purchased by Wannabetaller. She hoped that the team could compensate her, but the team not only did not compensate her, but also broke into her room in the middle of the night and demanded that she continue to pay the accommodation fee, otherwise it would be confiscated. Her extension tool, Wannabetaller's bosses tried to convince her to bring in new patients for Wannabetaller, bringing in one patient and giving her 1000 euros as compensation for her surgical mistakes. Regina said she rejected this ridiculous way of compensation! That night regina called the police because the extension tool was robbed by Wannabetaller's staff, and the next day regina moved out of the suffocatingly small and expensive hotel in Wannabetaller. If you need, I can recommend Regina's Wechat to you, and you can ask her about her experience in Wannabetaller. This is my Weibo: https://weibo.com/u/7384185539
Send me Regina'wechat,I want to talk with her,I was planning to Turkey,but your story made me think about it again
Quote from: Victims of the Wannabetaller2 on December 30, 2022, 03:34:06 PMSorry, it's my first time using this software. Because I have been hospitalized and I don’t have a computer, I asked someone who are also unfamiliar with this software to post the pictures and edited text for me. If I can modify it when I go home after I leave the hospital, I will write the date or explanation after each picture, but this post does not seem to allow modification of the content, so I can only add new content by replying.
My first operation was on January 1, 2022, and the stent was removed on April 5. On the night of July 7, I suddenly felt cold and had a fever and my legs had no strength. When I woke up on July 8, I found that my leg was broken. The bone was bulging, I contacted Wannabetaller immediately, they asked me to contact Yuksel myself, Yuksel said he was on vacation and asked me to wait for him for 5 days to come back to see him, on July 10 the swelling burst and a lot of pus came out... …July 11 I went to Yuksel’s emergency department but got no useful treatment, July 14wannabetaller asked me to see yunus, July 20yunus told me the diagnosis was osteomyelitis, told me that I could use gentamicin for 6 weeks, I Intravenous infusion was chosen for faster infection control. However, because Yunus did not recommend debridement surgery, the pus bacteria in my wound were not completely killed by antibiotics. On September 1, I visited Yunus again, and he diagnosed chronic osteomyelitis. I asked Wannabetaller to replace me with a more experienced osteomyelitis doctor and asked for debridement, Wannabetaller refused. So I chose to return home for treatment. I visited Yuksel before returning home and he said my tests showed nothing wrong with my legs and no bacteria. Before going to visit Yuksel, he said that if it is necessary to remove the nails, he will remove them for me and clean the wound as long as I pay for the surgery, but in the end he said that there is no problem with my test and there is no need to remove the nails. So I went back to my country, but on the way back to my country, my knees started to be red, swollen and painful... I took antibiotics for a month, and after 3 days of stopping the antibiotics, the redness turned into pustules that were about to explode! On oct 24th my knees and lower lock nails started to be red, swollen and painful, i have been on antibiotics and have been to several doctors in different hospitals and they all think i need to have my nails removed because i still have bacteria in my legs and they Let my osteomyelitis relapse. I was hospitalized on the night of 11/28, had nails removed, external fixator was put on 11/29, and antibiotics were dripped through the opening in the knee to flush the bone, antibiotics were poured through the ankle, IV vancomycin, rinsed After 3 weeks, the doctor first removed the tube in the knee, and then removed the tube in the ankle a few days later. Now my knee wound is so painful that I can't walk.
Thanks for your reply.
Your post has a mix of Dr. Yuksel and Dr. Yunus and I would like to know the doctor responsible for each surgery.
Perhaps Dr. Yuksel is the doctor for the first surgery in Jan 2022?
Secondly, which doctor removed the external fixator in April 2022, Dr. Yuksel or Yunus?
Which doctor examined you from July 11 until you returned to your country, Dr. Yuksel or Yunus?
Or did you see both doctors?
Quote from: maison on January 03, 2023, 06:39:57 AMThanks for your reply.
Your post has a mix of Dr. Yuksel and Dr. Yunus and I would like to know the doctor responsible for each surgery.
Perhaps Dr. Yuksel is the doctor for the first surgery in Jan 2022?
Secondly, which doctor removed the external fixator in April 2022, Dr. Yuksel or Yunus?
Which doctor examined you from July 11 until you returned to your country, Dr. Yuksel or Yunus?
Or did you see both doctors?
From January 1 to April 5, 2022, my surgery and removal of external fixation doctors were Yuksel. When the infection occurred on July 8th, the doctor who had returned and exploited to the sputum prescription from September 1st was Yunus. They are doctors working with Wannabetaller, Yuksel actually terminates cooperation during my first operation, Yunus is a new working doctor in Wannabetaller. These two doctors are very clear about my infection process. My first surgery was on January 1, 2022, and the outer holder was removed by Yuksel on April 5, 2022. When I first surgically, Wannabetaller concealed them and Yuksel has terminated the facts of cooperation, deceiving me, they will have been working together, I should have removed the outer fixtures on March 15, because they communicated out problems, resulting in delaying 20 days to remove my outer fixtures. On July 8, I told Wannabetaller my bone position swollen and had a fever. They told me because they and Yuksel had already terminated their cooperation, I need to contact Yuksel, when I contact Yuksel Speaking of me waiting for him to visit him on July 13th holiday. Wannabetaller said their new doctors Yunus is also on holiday. On July 10, the swelling broke out of a large amount of pus. I went to the Turkish doctor in the emergency department and didn't matter. They told me that this should go to my surgeon to handle it, then they only call me to buy antibiotics. On July 11th, I went to the emergency department of Yuksel's hospital. I waited for 2 hours, an internship doctor digging my wound with and then bandage, which led to the next day my wound become big, I also paid 600 Lira for this. If I need to be hospitalized, I have to pay 3000 lira one day, and they didn't tell me any treatment plan. They used the pus to flow into the bone chamber in the way if they were wounded in the mouth. This is very stupid! YUKSEL did not arrange a professional duty doctor to deal with the wound, so I was very disappointed with Yuksel! On July 14th, Wannabetaller's housekeeper called the driver to send me to visit Yunus, Yunus sticking my wound pus to make bacteria cultivation, call me 5 days later, I will go back to find him. During this period, I can continue oral antibiotics. On July 20, I saw Yunus again. I was confirmed to have osteomyelitis. He told me to use 2 antibiotics for 6 weeks, a gentamicin injection, one It is dripped in the wound surface to the rifamycin injection. But he said that I am not serious, don't need a wound cleanup, he didn't do the most important thing, this is a wrong treatment decision, because the bacteria on the nails cannot be completely killed by antibiotics, but Yunus said I will not have problems. However, 2 months have passed. When I went to Yunus on September 1, I was diagnosed with chronic osteomyelitis. Even so, he still said that I don't need to take out the nails, I don't need to clean the wound. Bacteria, do not need to use antibiotics, he said that the bacteria did not spread, he said that I will not have problems in the future, even if my wound is still a small hole exudates liquid, he said that I can take a shower for the wound. I asked Wannabetaller to replace other doctors who were good at treating osteomyelitis, but they refused. Wannabetaller and Yunus will no longer reply to my news! I went to Yuksel in August. He said that I don't need to clean my leg, and at this time, the other 2 patients of Yuksel qiang Tang and JIN GE The legs are infected, and they have a purulent in red, and fortunately they have left Turkey and have been rapid and effective treatment. It has been recovered. They showed the video of my leg pus to their treatment doctor. Their treatment doctor believes that you need to clean up the wound and remove the nails, because I missed the best cleaning of wound time, bacteria have spread in the nails, clean the wound is very Important, but yunus doesn't think so, so I hope that Yuksel can clean up the wound, but when I went to Yuksel in August, he didn't just clean the wound, but also covered it. I stopped using antibiotics, he said Yunus's inspection report is not accurate, it is not worthless, my situation is not so bad. Yunus think that I don't have to clean up my wound, but if I listen Yuksel, I think I will become chronic myelitis. Finally, my wound has not healed, Yuksel is facing reality, he told me to find him to check, he can take out the nails for me to clean up the wound, I only need to pay the operating fee. When I went to his hospital, he said that I didn't have to take out the nails, he thought that my leg did not infect. I have reviewed a lot of information. I believe that there is a bacteria in my leg. I will no longer believe in the level of the doctor of Wannabetaller, I don't believe they can treat my leg, so I decided to return to China. When I was returning to China, chronic myelitis was recurred. Finally, I listened to the advice of Chinese doctor had to take out the nails, with an antibiotic solution, I have already stayed in the hospital for 1 month 7 days. I hope that it doesn't relapse it after treatment.
We in Wannabetaller Team would like to indicate that we are aware of the allegations that have been made and the identity of the patient spreading them, but in respect of the personal information protection confidentiality policy that we strictly follow towards all patients, we will remain committed to preserving the confidentiality and information of the patient making these allegations.
First of all, we would like to clarify that we are always committed to providing the same amount of medical care and a direct follow-up to all patients on an equal basis, in addition to frequent visits for the purpose of medical examination by the doctor supervising the case, and as a result, patients, in general, are obliged to allocate a period that lasts between five to six months for recovery, especially patients who prefer the LON device for lengthening, and whom we always recommend to stay under our supervision for at least three to four weeks after the end of their lengthening period
The reason for this is the presence of wounds that have not yet healed, which requires the patient to take extreme care while changing the dressings for these wounds periodically.
In addition to the significance of the patient's commitment to the necessary physical therapy sessions, which the patient must continue to obtain after the end of the lengthening period, as it is one of the most important factors in restoring the patient's ability to move and restoring the natural range of motion.
Unfortunately, our patient, who was previously mentioned above, and despite the fact that her lengthening period has not yet ended at the time, insisted on leaving the hotel ’’our official partner'' in which our patients reside, and insisted on staying in another residence separately and outside the scope of our follow-up of his health condition and development
And as a result of the patient's strong insistence on performing the operation to remove the external fixator at a time when hospital appointments, operating rooms, and doctor’s appointments were not appropriate and full of pre-booked operations, we informed the patient that in order for her surgery to be performed, she must wait for a short period in order to schedule the operation appropriately, but Our patient insisted on not waiting, which made us go above and beyond and do our best to provide a date for the operation that matches the patient's desire to perform it as soon as possible, and this is what was done.
But by virtue of the patient's return to his own residence of her own free will and outside the scope of our follow-up and his insistence on moving away from our direct care and the patient's failure to adhere to the basic conditions for sterilization, disinfection, and post-removal care, as explained, and despite our company's efforts to provide support and care to the patient, not forgetting to mention that the patient was not cooperative with us in this field.
This is what inevitably led to infections due to the reasons that were previously indicated and which were outside the scope of our company’s responsibility, powers, or realistic scope of effectiveness, in addition to the patient’s delay in informing us of the infection in its infancy, but on the contrary, we were informed after the infection had reached an advanced degree
In this regard, and as soon as we were informed of the patient’s condition at the time, our company did not hesitate to make any possible effort represented in securing medical follow-up, providing means of treatment, or supervising the condition in order to improve it, based on the work ethics followed and on which we build in our dealing with our patients.
It must be clearly and explicitly noted that bone infection of the degree that has been noticed cannot be produced overnight, on the contrary, any similar infection in the bone is generally caused by negligence, inaction, and non-compliance with the rules of medical sterilization of existing wound dressings. And it takes a period ranging from two to three months for a superficial infection to develop into osteomyelitis
By following up on the timeline of the incident, it can be observed clearly that the onset of infection occurred after the removal of the external fixator, with a period ranging from one month to a month and a half.
During that period, the patient did not receive any medical services from us
We hope that the patient would have understood the extent of the company's commitment to acting in favor of her best health interest and showed cooperation regarding the standards that have been set to maintain her health and well-being.
In addition, the patient, according to her personal decision and contrary to the medical instructions given to her clearly and explicitly by the doctor and physiotherapist, and despite her body reaching its maximum limits in lengthening by seven centimeters, and despite all of the aforementioned warnings, she continued the lengthening procedure, secretly and unannounced, as turned out later.
Our aim is not to prolong the polemic, but only to reflect the story from our side in a short and concise way.
Wow, 😆,now this history is going to be interesting.go on ,man.
What happened to the Looksmaxing guy?
Quote from: Neo2023 on January 03, 2023, 01:58:09 AMSend me Regina'wechat,I want to talk with her,I was planning to Turkey,but your story made me think about it again
She said her WeChat was private and didn't want to add too many strangers. But you can join her WeChat group of Turkish victims and chat with her. You add my WeChat pigggg0, and I pull you into the Turkish victim WeChat group she created, and you can chat with her in the group.
Quote from: Victims of the Wannabetaller2 on January 03, 2023, 07:44:57 PMFrom January 1 to April 5, 2022, my surgery and removal of external fixation doctors were Yuksel. When the infection occurred on July 8th, the doctor who had returned and exploited to the sputum prescription from September 1st was Yunus. They are doctors working with Wannabetaller, Yuksel actually terminates cooperation during my first operation, Yunus is a new working doctor in Wannabetaller. These two doctors are very clear about my infection process. My first surgery was on January 1, 2022, and the outer holder was removed by Yuksel on April 5, 2022. When I first surgically, Wannabetaller concealed them and Yuksel has terminated the facts of cooperation, deceiving me, they will have been working together, I should have removed the outer fixtures on March 15, because they communicated out problems, resulting in delaying 20 days to remove my outer fixtures. On July 8, I told Wannabetaller my bone position swollen and had a fever. They told me because they and Yuksel had already terminated their cooperation, I need to contact Yuksel, when I contact Yuksel Speaking of me waiting for him to visit him on July 13th holiday. Wannabetaller said their new doctors Yunus is also on holiday. On July 10, the swelling broke out of a large amount of pus. I went to the Turkish doctor in the emergency department and didn't matter. They told me that this should go to my surgeon to handle it, then they only call me to buy antibiotics. On July 11th, I went to the emergency department of Yuksel's hospital. I waited for 2 hours, an internship doctor digging my wound with and then bandage, which led to the next day my wound become big, I also paid 600 Lira for this. If I need to be hospitalized, I have to pay 3000 lira one day, and they didn't tell me any treatment plan. They used the pus to flow into the bone chamber in the way if they were wounded in the mouth. This is very stupid! YUKSEL did not arrange a professional duty doctor to deal with the wound, so I was very disappointed with Yuksel! On July 14th, Wannabetaller's housekeeper called the driver to send me to visit Yunus, Yunus sticking my wound pus to make bacteria cultivation, call me 5 days later, I will go back to find him. During this period, I can continue oral antibiotics. On July 20, I saw Yunus again. I was confirmed to have osteomyelitis. He told me to use 2 antibiotics for 6 weeks, a gentamicin injection, one It is dripped in the wound surface to the rifamycin injection. But he said that I am not serious, don't need a wound cleanup, he didn't do the most important thing, this is a wrong treatment decision, because the bacteria on the nails cannot be completely killed by antibiotics, but Yunus said I will not have problems. However, 2 months have passed. When I went to Yunus on September 1, I was diagnosed with chronic osteomyelitis. Even so, he still said that I don't need to take out the nails, I don't need to clean the wound. Bacteria, do not need to use antibiotics, he said that the bacteria did not spread, he said that I will not have problems in the future, even if my wound is still a small hole exudates liquid, he said that I can take a shower for the wound. I asked Wannabetaller to replace other doctors who were good at treating osteomyelitis, but they refused. Wannabetaller and Yunus will no longer reply to my news! I went to Yuksel in August. He said that I don't need to clean my leg, and at this time, the other 2 patients of Yuksel qiang Tang and JIN GE The legs are infected, and they have a purulent in red, and fortunately they have left Turkey and have been rapid and effective treatment. It has been recovered. They showed the video of my leg pus to their treatment doctor. Their treatment doctor believes that you need to clean up the wound and remove the nails, because I missed the best cleaning of wound time, bacteria have spread in the nails, clean the wound is very Important, but yunus doesn't think so, so I hope that Yuksel can clean up the wound, but when I went to Yuksel in August, he didn't just clean the wound, but also covered it. I stopped using antibiotics, he said Yunus's inspection report is not accurate, it is not worthless, my situation is not so bad. Yunus think that I don't have to clean up my wound, but if I listen Yuksel, I think I will become chronic myelitis. Finally, my wound has not healed, Yuksel is facing reality, he told me to find him to check, he can take out the nails for me to clean up the wound, I only need to pay the operating fee. When I went to his hospital, he said that I didn't have to take out the nails, he thought that my leg did not infect. I have reviewed a lot of information. I believe that there is a bacteria in my leg. I will no longer believe in the level of the doctor of Wannabetaller, I don't believe they can treat my leg, so I decided to return to China. When I was returning to China, chronic myelitis was recurred. Finally, I listened to the advice of Chinese doctor had to take out the nails, with an antibiotic solution, I have already stayed in the hospital for 1 month 7 days. I hope that it doesn't relapse it after treatment.
I understand that you failed to see Yuksel himself on July 11 and that you subsequently received inappropriate treatment from Yunus.
I also found out that you were not given an appropriate policy regarding chronic osteomyelitis by Yuksel in August.
So, if your story is true, then both Yuksel and Yunus are incompetent doctors.
I wish you a speedy recovery.
Below are additional questions.
(1) On March 15th, what was the problem you thought the external fixator should be removed?
(2) Did two other patients of Yuksel (qiang Tang and JIN GE) also have osteomyelitis?
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