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Posted on Dec 3, 2019, 12:51 pm
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Quote from: TemakiSushi on November 29, 2019, 05:40:53 PM
It’s written in this forum:
2.   Dr. Giotikas lives in the UK mostly,
this is Great123 answer:
Dr. Giotikas was there at crucial times. I could call him or text him any time. When it was urgent he responded the same day. Most of the time I got an answer the next day. His co worker Dr. Giannakos who is in Greece was there all the time. They took turns every two weeks when X-rays had to be made. I can assure you that you won't have that direct contact with most German doctors. But sure I can understand why you think that it's better when a doctor is there all the time.

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Posted on Dec 3, 2019, 12:55 pm
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Quote from: TemakiSushi on December 03, 2019, 12:31:57 PMIt’s written in this forum:
2.   Dr. Giotikas lives in the UK mostly,

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9370.msg167659#msg167659

It seems at least at one point he was out of the country quite often
I never heard of any CLL doctor who is out of the country on a weekly basis
Especially with external patients, there are many risks and doctor should stay close to patients most of the time
Those doctors who let patients with external travel to home country are also quite irresponsible


Guichet is out of the country on a weekly basis between Milan and London. I would say that any doctor who fleets between several countries should be avoided at all costs because they are transient for many other reasons too. And everytime I had an emergency, Guichet would always be traveling albeit 'always available' on text/phone. It's not the same thing!

Over these last 3.5 years, I have been in touch with hundreds of patients and I can tell all of you, ALL cosmetic lengthening doctors have their literal skeletons in the closets, because this field is unregulated and nascent.

So, always bear in mind that you should discount the hard sell, do your own research and you are really dealing with the least of evils in your choice of doctors. Many a patient has contacted me in pure disbelief when their doctors completely change from the charming avuncular gentleman to one who is simply trying to shove them in a closet and abandon them in their time of need.

Remember that in many countries, the moment your lengthening process is messed up, few to NO doctors public or private will be willing to touch you. Hence, more adverse selection here for victims as most will be held hostage and extorted by their very own perpetrators, for years.

So don't kid yourself.  I'm FOR cosmetic leg lengthening, but with a lot of thought and consideration like time factor, financial abilities, support, research etc. 

You don't want to end up like me.

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Posted on Dec 3, 2019, 1:08 pm
#1223

OMG some doctors may have learned it from Guichet to fly away from patients on a weekly basis

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Posted on Dec 3, 2019, 1:15 pm
#1224

Also I am more than welcome to receive any negative information of Donghoon
I’ve been looking for that for a long time now
I will love it  UNICORN - Dr. Guichet Internal Femurs 8cm - Summer 2016
BTW my information written on the forum is less than 10% of my research done behind the forum
If I get anything concrete against Donghoon I will drop CLL for sure
I still have time until my tibia surgery date
To me any doctor who goes over 5 % complications rate is not acceptable
I can’t find any doctor who meets this criteria for my tibias other than Donghoon
ANYONE please teach me which doctor can pass my test

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Posted on Dec 3, 2019, 2:17 pm
#1225

Quote from: Unicorn888 on December 03, 2019, 12:55:02 PMOver these last 3.5 years, I have been in touch with hundreds of patients and I can tell all of you, ALL cosmetic lengthening doctors have their literal skeletons in the closets, because this field is unregulated and nascent.


Interesting. As far as I know, we don't have any public bad case from the main Precice/Stryde doctors in the US yet. Or am I wrong?

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Posted on Dec 3, 2019, 2:40 pm
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Quote from: BetzLandLiberator on December 03, 2019, 02:17:38 PMInteresting. As far as I know, we don't have any public bad case from the main Precice/Stryde doctors in the US yet. Or am I wrong?


Yup, there are  UNICORN - Dr. Guichet Internal Femurs 8cm - Summer 2016   The common problem is patients realize they become victims too late: when they're terrified of their own doctors, get contradictory advice, petrified into doing nothing/complacency and even suffer from stockholm syndrome.

Remember that only a very small percentage of foolhardy or courageous patients actually post their bad experiences here. Imagine if your lengthening goes wrong and other doctors wouldn't touch you with a 10-foot pole, the last thing you'd ever do is post anything negative about your own doctor when you need him the most. And this is when the tables are turned and you are literally stuck between a rock and a very hard place. There is very little recourse. Even sympathy is hard to come by, people who do not understand your decision simply dismiss you as crazy and probably very deserving of comeuppance for your vanity and waste of financial resources.

It is insidious and unfortunately, actual data of real victims are never tabulated officially and transparently. And as many have expressed to me, the disappointment lie beyond physical damage, it completely drains us of our trust in humanity. And that's what scars and traumatizes us most. Our trust and belief systems are essentially violated, and we're left with no voice.

If I had all the money in the world, I would set up a financing company to make cosmetic leg lengthening accessible to the general public because we all realize that short stature neurosis is something that plagued us since puberty (which is usually more than half of our lifetimes). We are the first to admit that it is our head that needs fixing first and foremost.

However, if there were transparent systems in place, widespread application, proper reviews and prerequisites of safety measures as part of the covenants of a financing package, then this procedure would not have to be cloaked in so much controversy. CLL is essentially at the same sensational stage and misguided taboo of breast implant surgeries in the 70s and 80s.

However, orthopaedists have been successfully lengthening limbs non-cosmetically since the 70s with external fixators. So safety methods have been established. It is the rarity and high cost of cosmetic limb lengthening that is corrupting the few players willing to do it, in this industry. Money leads to greed inevitably. And every leg lengthening candidate is a proverbial sitting duck and golden goose for many unscrupulous doctors.

Because imagine the potential each lengthening candidate has when not impeded by their perceived short stature neurosis? I must say, lives are changed usually for the better, forever. Then literally, the stars are within your 'reach'.

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Posted on Dec 3, 2019, 2:54 pm
#1227

Quote from: BetzLandLiberator on December 03, 2019, 02:17:38 PMInteresting. As far as I know, we don't have any public bad case from the main Precice/Stryde doctors in the US yet. Or am I wrong?

It seems DIFM got nonunion, his bone was not fused after 2 years

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=2165.msg34650#msg34650

Maybe OYG got X leg? I can’t find inputs regarding xleg after that poolside video



Also
I dropped Paley from choice due to this information:

BD Counseling with Paley;

I've read reported studies of over 70% persistent/permanent knee pain in patients after insertion of the IM nail into their tibias.  Have you seen this with your patients?

No, I have never seen close to that figure with my patients.  Probably less than 10% have this issue.  Fellow nods and adds that he's only seen it in less than 10-15% of his patients from their case studies.  What causes it? That's the thing, no one knows what causes it.  My decreased rates for persistent knee pain could be coming from from the way I insert the nails into the tibiae, which is higher up the patellar starts talking with a lot of scientific terminology with his Fellow that I couldn't quite follow.

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=237.msg6876#msg6876

Says less than 10% rate of persistent knee pain and his fellow less than 10 to 15 %
This is probably more than 5%

This does not meet my criteria




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Posted on Dec 3, 2019, 3:43 pm
#1228

This Stockholm syndrome seems to occur even among some prospective patients, not being able to accept negative information of the doctor they choose

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Posted on Dec 3, 2019, 5:32 pm
#1229

Quote from: TemakiSushi on December 03, 2019, 12:31:57 PMIt’s written in this forum:
2.   Dr. Giotikas lives in the UK mostly,

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9370.msg167659#msg167659



This was actually just an assumption of me. I'm sorry. As Jolien said, if you're looking for facts, don't necessarily rely on this forum only. I would suggest those interested to just e-mail Dr. Giotikas about your concerns.

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Posted on Dec 3, 2019, 5:47 pm
#1230

Quote from: TemakiSushi on December 03, 2019, 12:31:57 PMIt’s written in this forum:
2.   Dr. Giotikas lives in the UK mostly,

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9370.msg167659#msg167659

It seems at least at one point he was out of the country quite often
I never heard of any CLL doctor who is out of the country on a weekly basis
Especially with external patients, there are many risks and doctor should stay close to patients most of the time
Those doctors who let patients with external travel to home country are also quite irresponsible


This is a valid point to consider when it comes to choosing him as a surgeon, but I wouldn't call it immoral unless he omits this fact during the pre-surgery consultation. If a doctor openly says he travels often, it's not an immoral act.

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