What starting height plus 3 inches changes peoples perspective of the LLER most?

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Quote from: Sambollio on December 28, 2020, 02:32:05 AMI see what you are saying, I think in my  area of the US the population is mostly very rich white people, so the average height may actually be 5’10 to 5’11 for males. So I am more biased to the poster who said 5’7 to 5’10 would make the biggest difference. I can see in other areas where the average height isn’t so high that 5,5 to 5’8 would be huge. In my area unfortunately people would still say you are short 

The main problem is not being below average but being freakishly short. It’s a mark, a curse, you can’t hide it and it’s the first thing people perceive meeting you. I don’t blame people who are 5’7 or 5’9 and want to be taller but it’s a different situation because you’re “just” gaining a desirable trait, while in the first situation you’re removing an awful defect.

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I actually have a different opinion. If you started out average 5'9 and did three inches straight to 6 foot you would be above average in terms of the bell curve theory. You've literally leapfrogged the majority of the world's population. Leadership, social, women etc, it's the starting point of benefits.

After 6'3 you don't make that many gains in terms of bell curve, but from being average to 6 foot...

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But in practice being 6' doesn't really have that much of an advantage over being 5'9

Yes you'll do slightly better with women, maybe make a bit more money but overall there are a bunch of 6' losers out there so it's not like 6' automatically gets you to a higher existence.

If anything going from short to average gives you the biggest gain because now you are no longer judged negatively for your height. In terms of dating most women just want a man that's taller than them, not necessarily 6'+. And in terms of career, not being short means you won't have negative perceptions on your ability based on your height.

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I actually think the 6ft to 6’3 is ideal (not changing from 6 foot to 6’3, just those heights in general) the and results may start to decline after that. And honestly this was my first take, but it’s hard to say. I am stuck between negative to neutral or neutral to negative. I generally think as a psychology major that negative emotions tend to be more powerful than positive ones when it comes to occupying headspace so I’m still favoring going from a negatively perceived height to a neutral one. But there is a good argument to be had for 5’9 to 6’0 or similar.

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Ya I honestly think the 6ft thing is half meme and half “ideal” but unless a girl is already tall, just being a little taller is good.

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you can't think to really improve magically your life condition becoming a tall man, it's all up to you, if you are a loser you still remain that.
If girls don't like you at 5'9 in all probability they don't care about you 8cm taller lol

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Unfortunately this is not true, and just way too reductionist. People aren’t born “losers”, the combination of environment with genes are what would make someone perceived that way.
So the unfortunate reality is that, all things given equal, a person born with societally unacceptable stature will be more swayed into the so called “loser” direction. I somewhat agree with your last point. “If girls don't like you at 5'9 in all probability they don't care about you 8cm taller lol.” But many girls top requirements for guys include height. So if you are good with girls at 5’9, then you may still not be tall enough, but with 3 inches you could be. I just hate people who are so weird about what is ok for a good reason to LL.

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I understand what you mean but it's a different situation. Being tall is definitely a positive trait, one of the most important.
But the real problem begin when your defect is so bad that you can't compensate to your lack of something. You can be "a bit" short, you can be not so smart, you can be not beautiful. You can compensate with others qualities. If you are very short, stupid or very ugly, in that situation you'll be always noticed for that and it will compromise your life, expecially for the dating life. That's the difference, if you become average-tall you're improving yourself for sure, you'll be more attractive and appreciated for your look, but not as much as a person who has always had the curse of the real short stature.
I don't talk about the working life because if you work hard you can go everywhere anyway even as a very short person, that's a mental limit due to the fact taller people are generally more self confident, so not strictly due to the short stature.

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I don't judge anybody, even if you are 6' and you want to do LL why not, the only thing I strongly think is that the benefits you can achieve are lower, nothing else.

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Okay I appreciate you elaborating, I think we actually agree almost 100%. I think I just didn’t like your initial posts’ wording because it felt dismissive. If you are curious, I am exactly average in the US,5’9.5, and I’m getting LL for what I think is a unique reason for my very acceptable height. Have a good day!