What starting height plus 3 inches changes peoples perspective of the LLER most?

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Even 1inch can make a big difference let alone 3 inches...

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In this thread:
2 sides of opinions


side A: Short men becoming not short and nearer to the mean ( 5'4 to 5'7 or 5'5 to 5'8 or 5'6 to 5'9)

side B: already average men becoming tall ( 5'8 to 5'11 or 5'9 to 6'0 etc)

My thoughts:
Both are obviously very strong quality of life improvements.

Side A is mainly escaping heightism from an objectively short/mistreated state and huge self-esteem/self-confidence boost.

Side B is becoming more attractive from a fine/average state and huge self-esteem boost as you enter the upper echelons of height.


One can argue, Side A started with immense personal dysphoria and poor societal treatment
Side B started with a personal neurosis

If we were to quantify the starting line and the finish line, Side A probably has more gain, as they start from a state of a massive dysphoria (think, a big negative number),
while Side B probably gained a good confidence boost but started from a state of more "neuroticism" (no one would call a 5'9 person 'short' in a country that averages 5'9) instead of active societal and culture inflicted dysphoria.

But in the end, BOTH have benefits to gain and improves each of their own lives. Curing the height neurosis. So it's mostly PERSONAL. A 5'9 dude on this forum probably has worse dysphoria than a 5'3 confident guy who holds himself well.

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In this thread:
2 sides of opinions


side A: Short men becoming not short and nearer to the mean ( 5'4 to 5'7 or 5'5 to 5'8 or 5'6 to 5'9)

side B: already average men becoming tall ( 5'8 to 5'11 or 5'9 to 6'0 etc)

My thoughts:
Both are obviously very strong quality of life improvements.

Side A is mainly escaping heightism from an objectively short/mistreated state and huge self-esteem/self-confidence boost.

Side B is becoming more attractive from a fine/average state and huge self-esteem boost as you enter the upper echelons of height.


One can argue, Side A started with immense personal dysphoria and poor societal treatment
Side B started with a personal neurosis

If we were to quantify the starting line and the finish line, Side A probably has more gain, as they start from a state of a massive dysphoria (think, a big negative number),
while Side B probably gained a good confidence boost but started from a state of more "neuroticism" (no one would call a 5'9 person 'short' in a country that averages 5'9) instead of active societal and culture inflicted dysphoria.

But in the end, BOTH have benefits to gain and improves each of their own lives. Curing the height neurosis. So it's mostly PERSONAL. A 5'9 dude on this forum probably has worse dysphoria than a 5'3 confident guy who holds himself well.

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Completely agree with Serilium. Both groups will benefit greatly but group A escapes genuine height discrimination and allows them to stop being defined by their height. I may be biased as my stating height was 5’4 but in my opinion a 3 inch gain from 5’4, 5’5 etc is incredibly life changing. I’m coming up on 2 inches in a bit over a week and I can already see the change. But above all both groups will be able to cure their height dysphoria through CLL which is amazing.

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As a lot of users said here, it depends. Depends at which country you're in too. If the average height in your country is 5'10, going from 5'5 to 5'8 won't have the same effect as going from 5'7 to 5'10, as so from 5'10 to 6'1. I think the most difference it makes depends at the eye sight of the others, for example going from 5'9 to 6,0 or 5'8 to 5'11 will make a huge difference, because you were lower than their eyesight and now you're higher, does it makes sense? And also going from lower than their eyesight to the same level or from the same level to higher than their eyesight (which would be 5'7 to 5'10 and 5'10 to 6'1

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Quote from: Serilium on May 01, 2021, 05:19:09 AMIn this thread:
2 sides of opinions


side A: Short men becoming not short and nearer to the mean ( 5'4 to 5'7 or 5'5 to 5'8 or 5'6 to 5'9)

side B: already average men becoming tall ( 5'8 to 5'11 or 5'9 to 6'0 etc)

My thoughts:
Both are obviously very strong quality of life improvements.

Side A is mainly escaping heightism from an objectively short/mistreated state and huge self-esteem/self-confidence boost.

Side B is becoming more attractive from a fine/average state and huge self-esteem boost as you enter the upper echelons of height.


One can argue, Side A started with immense personal dysphoria and poor societal treatment
Side B started with a personal neurosis

If we were to quantify the starting line and the finish line, Side A probably has more gain, as they start from a state of a massive dysphoria (think, a big negative number),
while Side B probably gained a good confidence boost but started from a state of more "neuroticism" (no one would call a 5'9 person 'short' in a country that averages 5'9) instead of active societal and culture inflicted dysphoria.

But in the end, BOTH have benefits to gain and improves each of their own lives. Curing the height neurosis. So it's mostly PERSONAL. A 5'9 dude on this forum probably has worse dysphoria than a 5'3 confident guy who holds himself well.

I agree too.

The self-confidence effects will be great in both.
As friends say, this country depends on the average height.

I think the main cause of depressive people is any size below average height.

The example is very simple:
That short guy / girl.

A specific definition for you. If someone told you this, you'd be upset.

short: weaker than himself, lower level etc.

Nobody wants discrimination in society.

This has nothing to do with intelligence.
You cannot know the intelligence of someone you do not know, but you evaluate it according to their physical characteristics.

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Height is an expression of power in every society.
Nobody wants to fight anyone taller than themselves, but if it's short, anything can happen. (short weaker than me)

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Even 1.60 women want 1.85 or taller.
I am short, but someone taller chose me. It gives him a special pleasure. Increases self-confidence.

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etc. etc.

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5'7 or 5'5.

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Hard to answer for sure, but I’ve always thought my starting height (171 - 171.5 cm), plus 8 cm through CLL would make the most difference.  From bottom 25% in male height (US) to top 1/3 in male height (US).  That’s a huge jump!

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Agreed. I think the jump from below to above average will make the most personal impact.

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ITT: everyone listing their own starting height.