Quote from: Alittletooshort on March 28, 2016, 12:27:28 AMPerhaps I sound like a dck if I say that, but I honestly believe that you'd get the most out of LL if you start at around 177-179. Height is distributed like a bell curve and 180 stands right in the middle, so obviously the majority of (young) males are between 177-183. If you start at 178 and only add 4cm's you will surpass a lot of guys heightwise. The number of (young) ppl between 160-175 is a lot lower than between 178-183.
Starting of taller will also allow you to lengthen more safely because longer segments will result in a larger "safe zone" of around 15% of the bone's original length.
Being taller to begin with makes the whole process safer, easier when it comes to proportions and you overtake the highest number of guys.
LL is probably less of a necessity at that height so the time and money you need might be better invested elsewhere.
Depends what your goal is you know... Being one of the tallest guys? Yes, no doubt about your assertion. But it depends where the middle of the bell curve is (In my case it's between 175-177.. By my case my mean my etnicity and where I live).
In terms of "gains" from society, I believe (no one has to agree) that the best gain is becoming average from short. Going from super short to short is not such a great gain. Going from average to tall is a better gain. But going from short to average is the biggest gain.
what starting height range will make you benefit the most from this surgery
Quote from: Alittletooshort on March 28, 2016, 12:27:28 AMPerhaps I sound like a dck if I say that, but I honestly believe that you'd get the most out of LL if you start at around 177-179. Height is distributed like a bell curve and 180 stands right in the middle, so obviously the majority of (young) males are between 177-183. If you start at 178 and only add 4cm's you will surpass a lot of guys heightwise. The number of (young) ppl between 160-175 is a lot lower than between 178-183.
Starting of taller will also allow you to lengthen more safely because longer segments will result in a larger "safe zone" of around 15% of the bone's original length.
Being taller to begin with makes the whole process safer, easier when it comes to proportions and you overtake the highest number of guys.
LL is probably less of a necessity at that height so the time and money you need might be better invested elsewhere.
Perhaps I sound like a dck if I say this but,
Oy vai.
Does anyone here actually know how to use google?
In the USA, men aged 19-29, 174 is the 25th percentile, and 182 is the 75th percentile. So there is literally *exactly* as many 174 or less guys as there are the 182 or more guys...and that is in your "young" guy age bracket.
In your example you say, "the majority of (young) males are between 177-183", which is NOT correct. You go from approx the 50th percentile to approx the 75th percentile. That is 25% of men, which is the same as the lower 25% or the top 25%, it is still 25%.
Again, using CDC information and only in your precious "young" range of 19-29 year old men.
I realize I am a math major, but holy heck guys, basic math here.
I was refering to Europe (central and northern europe), were the avere IS 180, just use wikipedia to check it.
180-182 is the average so 50% are either the same height or taller and 50% are either the same height or shorter, so my math was correct I guess.
No offense but just I love the fact that most americans automatically assume that only their country is the subject of the debate 
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Quote from: Alittletooshort on March 28, 2016, 12:52:59 AMI was refering to Europe (central and or northern europe), were the avere IS 180, just use wikipedia to check it.
180-182 is the average so 50% are either the same height or taller and 50% are either the same height or shorter, so my math was correct I guess.
No offense but just I love the fact that most americans automatically assume that only their country is the subject of the debate .
I used the US because I had the figures ready and the average is only 2cm different. Most white western countries have almost the exact same averages.
LL is probably less of a necessity at that height so the time and money you need might be better invested elsewhere.
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does this mean that you won't ever lengthen yourself? youre 179 cm. arent you?
Quote from: noname on March 28, 2016, 01:00:51 AM LL is probably less of a necessity at that height so the time and money you need might be better invested elsewhere.
does this mean that you won't ever lengthen yourself? youre 179 cm. arent you?
I haven't decided yet, perhaps I will do LL but I'm still not sure if it's really worth it. I'll definetly wait for Tibike's diary with Dr. Catagni. 179 is my morning height so I'm rather 178 during the day.
Quote from: Alittletooshort on March 28, 2016, 01:19:45 AMI haven't decided yet, perhaps I will do LL but I'm still not sure if it's really worth it. I'll definetly wait for Tibike's diary with Dr. Catagni. 179 is my morning height so I'm rather 178 during the day.
My diary will be like Lumier's dairy. I will update every 10-20 days or so. If anything special (complications) happen I will also update.
Quote from: Alittletooshort on March 28, 2016, 01:19:45 AMI haven't decided yet, perhaps I will do LL but I'm still not sure if it's really worth it. I'll definetly wait for Tibike's diary with Dr. Catagni. 179 is my morning height so I'm rather 178 during the day.
if you really want it then just do it. follow your dreams. if you wanna be taller then just get taller
Quote from: Alittletooshort on March 28, 2016, 01:19:45 AMI haven't decided yet, perhaps I will do LL but I'm still not sure if it's really worth it. I'll definetly wait for Tibike's diary with Dr. Catagni. 179 is my morning height so I'm rather 178 during the day.
Btw, I think that Catagni has an upper limit of starting height (It's either 175 or 177 from what I have heard.. Never asked him). Maybe you should send him an e-mail just to know if you can do this with him (Not that you plan to do this with him, but just in order to know if he is even an option)
I have to agree with the OP for the most part. What are the true benefits of the surgery? (My post is from a U.S. point of view where the average height is 177cm.) Both shorter and average height guys will gain from this surgery but we can break down some components to see who benefits more.
-If a guy starting at 160cm goes to 167cm feels much better about himself afterwards, is he happier about his height than the guy starting at 167cm and wants to be 175cm? If so, then there is certainly a psychological aspect to the surgery and height dysphoria going away is probably not tied too closely to starting height. I'd say this is a wash for both groups.
-In terms of gaining physical stature/presence, whatever you want to call it.. I don't think there is going to be a real benefit unless you pass the 180cm mark. Obviously 170cm is not the same as 160cm, but neither height stands out in a crowd. So one point for the average/taller guys getting the surgery.
-For getting girls I think it's also a matter of passing a threshold. This one is in the same ballpark as the previous point. In online dating girls that filter on height are generally going to set their filters to even numbers like 180cm or 6'0", so if you're 165cm going to 172cm it's not going to help you pass that threshold, but going from 173cm to 180cm certainly could. So another point for the average/taller guys.
-Also, as others mentioned you'll get the biggest percentile point gain from LL when you are a bit below the average. Going from 5'5" to 5'8" you'll leapfrog over ~22% of guys. Going from 5'8" to 5'11" you'll leapfrog over ~42% of guys! Almost double the gain for the same 3 inch height increase. Another reason why average/taller guys get more benefit from LL.
So based on my points above, I think reaching or passing the average will actually yield more benefits than going from really short to just short. But that doesn't mean there are no benefits for really short guys to do it. If it makes you feel better and you think the loss of money and health is worth it then by all means go for it. I'm not certainly LL would take me over the average but I'm still considering it.
With that said, for guys over 175cm who want to do the surgery I would seriously consider moving the the U.S. (or Canada if you are more liberal) Contrary to the doomsday prophecies the mainstream media preaches, it's actually really good here if you have the skills to make a decent living. Some of the best opportunities are here for those who work both hard and smart. Besides, if you're doing the surgery you'll probably want to move anyway to avoid people you know finding out, so you might as well just move somewhere shorter and use the money you saved for surgery to improve yourself in other ways!
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