Quote from: aspirant185 on March 27, 2016, 04:04:32 PMAnd one who is 172, just 3 cm before your glorious benchmark, is perfectly normal ? 
This is utter bullcrap. Not the absolute height but rather the environment and the heights of the people around should be the decisive factor. What good is it for me if I am 180 and everyone is around me is 185 and 75% of the females around me are taller than me with heels ?
5'9 was actually the upper limit height for Paley before (when he used externals) and I also think Rozbruch. Of course it has to do with enviroment... But being 175+ you are somewhat average in most places in europe... 75% of females around you taller with heels? Dont date a woman who wears 4inch heels...
In the end it doesnt matter... I dont believe you will actually do it at your height
what starting height range will make you benefit the most from this surgery
I'm probably gonna annoy a lot of you with my constant push back on this surgery while I figure out if this is something I want to do, but I think it is very important that there are opposing voices. I'm not against LL, do whatever you want guys. But I hate to see men get this surgery and regret it, especially if they are not very short to start with.
My psychologist and I spoke about "height neurosis", which he says is a made up term (coined by Dr. Paley actually) that should be either categorized as an "inferiority complex" or "narcissistic personality disorder" depending on the person.
Anyway, he made the point of guy's in the 5'5+ range and quality of life. He pointed out that many, many men have very good lives at those heights. He said that he has seen the amount of people coming in for what he calls "narrative script psychosis" problems explode over the last 20 years or so. That is where people are basing their self worth and their own quality of life perceptions on the narrative script of society, specifically the voices on the internet.
In other words, a 5'7-5'8 guy like myself ASSUMES he is screwed because the internet says I am. I can tell you for a fact that the internet is a big part of my height neurosis. I would guess others here are the same.
My shrink asked me to keep a log of all the times that height actually got in my way, IN REAL LIFE. He asked me to go back as far as I could remember and back date my log. I came up with 4 instances in real life, the rest are voices from the internet and other media outlets.
I would also say that if you are 5'6-5'9 and have NOT been called short by a women, you are not talking to enough women!
Think about it guys...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narrative_psychology
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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on March 27, 2016, 12:41:53 AManyone who is 175 or above considering doing this is a nutcase
Following this logic I assume you will stop lengthening once you hit 175cm?
Quote from: theuprising on March 27, 2016, 05:28:17 PMFollowing this logic I assume you will stop lengthening once you hit 175cm?
Maybe. Depends on my proportions. It will either be 175 (minimum) or 177 (maximum)
Quote from: CCMidwest on March 27, 2016, 04:27:48 PMI'm probably gonna annoy a lot of you with my constant push back on this surgery while I figure out if this is something I want to do, but I think it is very important that there are opposing voices. I'm not against LL, do whatever you want guys. But I hate to see men get this surgery and regret it, especially if they are not very short to start with.
My psychologist and I spoke about "height neurosis", which he says is a made up term (coined by Dr. Paley actually) that should be either categorized as an "inferiority complex" or "narcissistic personality disorder" depending on the person.
Anyway, he made the point of guy's in the 5'5+ range and quality of life. He pointed out that many, many men have very good lives at those heights. He said that he has seen the amount of people coming in for what he calls "narrative script psychosis" problems explode over the last 20 years or so. That is where people are basing their self worth and their own quality of life perceptions on the narrative script of society, specifically the voices on the internet.
In other words, a 5'7-5'8 guy like myself ASSUMES he is screwed because the internet says I am. I can tell you for a fact that the internet is a big part of my height neurosis. I would guess others here are the same.
My shrink asked me to keep a log of all the times that height actually got in my way, IN REAL LIFE. He asked me to go back as far as I could remember and back date my log. I came up with 4 instances in real life, the rest are voices from the internet and other media outlets.
I would also say that if you are 5'6-5'9 and have NOT been called short by a women, you are not talking to enough women!
Think about it guys...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narrative_psychology
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This. 100 times this...
Quote from: Alu on March 27, 2016, 10:25:53 PMThis. 100 times this...
Thanks Alu.
You did LL, no? 5'4 to 5'7? Or am I confusing people?
Quote from: CCMidwest on March 27, 2016, 11:02:40 PMThanks Alu.
You did LL, no? 5'4 to 5'7? Or am I confusing people?
No, but that's my plan. 8 CM is all I need. Probably with Paley or Guichet.
I'm just here to support those who have done it/are doing it at the moment. And try to fight the horrendous generalizations made in these forums.
Quote from: Alu on March 27, 2016, 11:57:34 PMNo, but that's my plan. 8 CM is all I need. Probably with Paley or Guichet.
I'm just here to support those who have done it/are doing it at the moment. And try to fight the horrendous generalizations made in these forums.
You sure you want to do this with femurs?
Quote from: TIBIKE200 on March 28, 2016, 12:10:48 AMYou sure you want to do this with femurs?
Nope. My plan still is to 4 + 4. Sure it's double the risk, but I'd prefer to ensure the best possible post-LL recovery. Lengthening less in each segment ensures that; especially if you don't even go over 5 CM. At the same time if I think my proportions can handle it (honestly though I don't lol) I could lengthen a bit more in my femurs for like 5 or 6 cm (definitely won't touch my tibia).
Perhaps I sound like a dck if I say that, but I honestly believe that you'd get the most out of LL if you start at around 177-179. Height is distributed like a bell curve and 180 stands right in the middle, so obviously the majority of (young) males are between 177-183. If you start at 178 and only add 4cm's you will surpass a lot of guys heightwise. The number of (young) ppl between 160-175 is a lot lower than between 178-183.
Starting of taller will also allow you to lengthen more safely because longer segments will result in a larger "safe zone" of around 15% of the bone's original length.
Being taller to begin with makes the whole process safer, easier when it comes to proportions and you overtake the highest number of guys.
LL is probably less of a necessity at that height so the time and money you need might be better invested elsewhere.
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