We, the LL community, are all too familiar with Sysop/Apotheosis. Unfortunately much of his fame has come from his habitual lying, or at the least, stretching of the truth.
One area in which the prophet, a former (and possibly current?) patient of Dr. Betz, stretches the truth is by claiming that he is completely proportional after lengthening over 20 CM. He posted before and after-LL pictures of himself to "prove" this. Shown first are the pictures he posted, taken straight from the lion's mouth. Notice how, while the waistlines are aligned in both pictures, in the after picture, Sysop's torso is smaller. The picture was taken from farther away and from a different angle! He is also wearing his briefs lower to make his torso look longer and his shoulders are also pushed down compared to the first photo.
To be completely fair in the representation of how Sysop looks following ~21 CM of LL, I took his before photo and added 11 CM to his tibiae and 9.5 CM to his femurs. This way, his shoulder position, and the photograph distance and angle remain constant. The result: the real Sysop.
You be the judge of whether you'd like to look proportionally similar to him or not. At least now the community has an accurate visual representation of what he actually looks like. I chose to post this because I feel that Sysop should have been honest about his proportions from the start if he was going to use them for educational/informative purposes on old forum .
Quote from: An_Apple_A_Day on December 23, 2013, 11:29:14 PMYou know what?
I actually think he looks fine.
I realise that is perhaps not what some people will want to hear but I don't personally think his proportions are off at all.
I have to partially agree with you and admit that I would probably be much more physically intimidated by him, if I met him in person, at 6'3 than at a hair under 5'7. And I can't deny that, with a long shirt on, few would notice his disproportionality. Honestly, I think getting his humerus bones lengthened may not be such a bad thing. He'll look more proportional and, since few people have done it while many are interested, he'll be the guinea pig for once. I do greatly admire that he followed his dream to be taller. I was just a bit upset about how he gave a skewed image of what he looked like after LL by manipulating camera angle and a number of other variables, and not stating it, when these variables clearly affected the image he showed old forum members significantly, possibly giving them unreasonable expectations or impressions regarding LL.
Quote from: Sweden on December 24, 2013, 01:46:40 PMI was taller than Apo to begin with. Height, wingspan, sitting height.
I still feel like a little guy being 180cm, especially when I sit down with people.
Interesting that you feel this way. What is your sitting height, Sweden?
Quote from: Kilokahn on January 29, 2014, 11:45:34 PMOf course, the biggest issue with anyone lengthening the amount Apotheosis did is the range of lifelong problems you will have afterward. His potential for developing arthritis later down the line is higher than it would have been due to the extent of how much he lengthened as well as the increased pressure on his joints.
Wouldn't he have the same, or less, pressure on his joints as someone that naturally had legs that long? There are many very tall people who do not get arthritis.
Maybe his IM nails may have messed up his joints, though.
Also, while "leggy" women are generally considered to look great, it's less clear whether similarly leggy men are considered nearly as attractive by women. I think that, after lengthening too much, many men look like they're walking on stilts. Does anyone have pics of men who lengthened a lot and still look great?
Quote from: secondclasscitizen on January 30, 2014, 03:21:43 AMWhat I think looks the weirdest is when people have their tibia and femur bones out of proportion. Like when the tibia looks too long compared to the femur and vice versa. If both are lengthened to look proportionate to one another it can work, especially for ladies
Interesting. I definitely agree with you on this one, although I think that slightly long tibias look "alrightish", since many sprinters and male models have this trait.
I've met quite a few people, though, who are taller than me standing up, but shorter sitting down. These people almost always have ridiculously long femurs. Still, I wouldn't say they look weird, just a tad long legged. I've definitely never met someone who has legs as proportionally long as Apotheosis, but, if I did, I admit that I might not notice it right away, if at all, especially if clothing were masking his true proportions. Do you think you could post a pic of a celebrity or other well-known person who looks as though they have a "weird"-looking ratio such as the ones you mentioned? I'd love to see a visual representation of what you're talking about.
Also, do you think it's better to be tall and out of proportion, or short and proportionate? This was extensively discussed in another thread, but Apotheosis is a great case study that applies to the debate, so I feel it's also relevant to discuss here.
Agreed. But does anyone think his sitting height is actually 94 CM as he claims?
Quote from: Smallguy on March 05, 2014, 01:13:03 AMSo maybe he can reach 94cm sitting down.... sitting over a thick wallet and layers of tissue paper in his butt pocket.
This made me laugh out loud. Maybe next, he'll get butt lengthening surgery. Seriously, though, did he really look that bad in person? Could you tell that his proportions were off?
And he definitely does have a thick wallet to sit on, with all the money he made off of the poor souls on old forum 
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