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Posted on Nov 2, 2014, 12:25 am
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Quote from: Ajax2thousand20 on November 01, 2014, 11:06:32 PMYes they are. 2 men of equal skill in every aspect except for height, the taller one will win almost always.


This is most certainly not true. Just take a look at some of these links:

http://www.expertboxing.com/boxing-strategy/boxing-styles/how-to-beat-a-shorter-boxer

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f2/why-shorter-guys-better-fighters-2424033/

http://m.livescience.com/1358-short-legs-human-predecessors-fighters.html

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Posted on Nov 2, 2014, 12:52 am
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Quote from: ReadRothbard on November 02, 2014, 12:25:36 AMThis is most certainly not true. Just take a look at some of these links:

http://www.expertboxing.com/boxing-strategy/boxing-styles/how-to-beat-a-shorter-boxer

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f2/why-shorter-guys-better-fighters-2424033/

http://m.livescience.com/1358-short-legs-human-predecessors-fighters.html


Yeah, the reason why the Klitschkos are dominating boxing is definitely their height. You just need to know how to use it. I'm pretty sure they would win against every boxer who is below 6'. You can do nothing against their reach.

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Posted on Nov 2, 2014, 1:34 am
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Quote from: 123 on November 02, 2014, 12:52:24 AMYeah, the reason why the Klitschkos are dominating boxing is definitely their height. You just need to know how to use it. I'm pretty sure they would win against every boxer who is below 6'. You can do nothing against their reach.


Boxing isnt really that good of a reference for fighting though, its very limited so it doesnt represent the assumed disparity of fighting ability between short and tall men.

MMA is much better to compare, its much closer to real fighting and in that sport, short guys have just as much success as tall ones do overall, regardless of weight class.

I realize height and reach are definite advantages, but they are most of the time not significant enough to make a significant difference after all the other factors come into play. 

Only a few fighters rely excessively on height and reach for their success, like Jon Jones. But he is lacking in his stand up skills, it can be argued that he simply isnt skilled at stand up, and his reach and height compensate for his average stand up skills. But it can also be argued that his reach and body build makes it more difficult to develop good technique, form, handspeed and knockout power. Jones is lacking in all those areas, the only good standup skill he has is kicks but even his kicks lack power.

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Posted on Nov 2, 2014, 4:49 am
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Quote from: Wannabegiant on November 02, 2014, 01:34:59 AMBoxing isnt really that good of a reference for fighting though, its very limited so it doesnt represent the assumed disparity of fighting ability between short and tall men.

MMA is much better to compare, its much closer to real fighting and in that sport, short guys have just as much success as tall ones do overall, regardless of weight class.

I realize height and reach are definite advantages, but they are most of the time not significant enough to make a significant difference after all the other factors come into play. 

Only a few fighters rely excessively on height and reach for their success, like Jon Jones. But he is lacking in his stand up skills, it can be argued that he simply isnt skilled at stand up, and his reach and height compensate for his average stand up skills. But it can also be argued that his reach and body build makes it more difficult to develop good technique, form, handspeed and knockout power. Jones is lacking in all those areas, the only good standup skill he has is kicks but even his kicks lack power.


I agree with this.

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Posted on Nov 2, 2014, 9:44 am
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Quote from: ReadRothbard on November 02, 2014, 12:25:36 AMThis is most certainly not true. Just take a look at some of these links:

http://www.expertboxing.com/boxing-strategy/boxing-styles/how-to-beat-a-shorter-boxer

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f2/why-shorter-guys-better-fighters-2424033/

http://m.livescience.com/1358-short-legs-human-predecessors-fighters.html


Grade A bs. Being taller is an advantage with no disadvantage unless you don't know how to use it end of discussion. Here's an example. Would a 5'7" 150lb fighter stand a chance against a 6'5" 240 lb fighter of equal skill? No! If he fked up once then the 6'5" guy would knock him out if not kill him! Believe me, I'm humble of my height and smart enough to know that guys who are bigger than myself are more likely gonna win in a fight due to their size alone. It's best to realize that there's always someone taller and stronger than you out there.

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Posted on Nov 2, 2014, 9:56 am
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Quote from: Ajax2thousand20 on November 02, 2014, 09:44:33 AMGrade A bs. Being taller is an advantage with no disadvantage unless you don't know how to use it end of discussion. Here's an example. Would a 5'7" 150lb fighter stand a chance against a 6'5" 240 lb fighter of equal skill? No! If he f**ked up once then the 6'5" guy would knock him out if not kill him! Believe me, I'm humble of my height and smart enough to know that guys who are bigger than myself are more likely gonna win in a fight due to their size alone. It's best to realize that there's always someone taller and stronger than you out there.


That's a horrible example. The 6'5 guy would have 90 lbs on the guy. Weight matters much more than height which is why there is sorting by weight class and not height. Put a 5'7 guy and a 6'5 guy of equal skill and weight and it's a much different scenario because while the tall guy has the reach the shorter guy would be much stronger at the same weight.

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Posted on Nov 2, 2014, 10:28 am
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Quote from: Wannabegiant on November 02, 2014, 01:34:59 AMBoxing isnt really that good of a reference for fighting though, its very limited so it doesnt represent the assumed disparity of fighting ability between short and tall men.

MMA is much better to compare, its much closer to real fighting and in that sport, short guys have just as much success as tall ones do overall, regardless of weight class.

I realize height and reach are definite advantages, but they are most of the time not significant enough to make a significant difference after all the other factors come into play. 

Only a few fighters rely excessively on height and reach for their success, like Jon Jones. But he is lacking in his stand up skills, it can be argued that he simply isnt skilled at stand up, and his reach and height compensate for his average stand up skills. But it can also be argued that his reach and body build makes it more difficult to develop good technique, form, handspeed and knockout power. Jones is lacking in all those areas, the only good standup skill he has is kicks but even his kicks lack power.


This is true. Boxing isn't a good example it's a sport with rules and conditions. There is a reason we feel intimidated by taller men in the natural kingdom size is usually an advantage. Alot of animals use size as an deterrant to stave off hunters, the blowfish for example.

It's reasonably common for the male to be male to be bigger in most species. Think about it does a 45 kg woman stand a chance against a 70 kg man? No -because body size (as long as it's muscles and not just fat) is a sign of strenght. Size isn't only just height a broad short man might very well be more intimidating than a skinny tall man. Bigger in every dimension equals more strenght and more dominance.

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Posted on Nov 2, 2014, 11:19 am
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its easy, tall mans are more aestetic than short ones .
Taller mans will always have advantage in a fight or in supervivence.
More height = more weight and longer arms to punch.
If they need to climb a mountain or a tree, its easier for taller man, because short man often cant get points to climb where taller ones can.
Tall mans can walk and run faster
there are lots of reasons.

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Posted on Nov 2, 2014, 11:30 am
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5'10 Mark Hunt abusing the much taller Stefan Struve (who is legit 7 feet!!) in the heavyweight division.

He won by KO and both weigh around 265 pounds in the ring, probably more after rehydrating from the weigh in, but Hunt has lots of fat which doesnt help much in a fight, while Struve has mostly lean mass.

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1742111.ece/alternates/s615/162988064.jpg

http://statsstylescore.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/[email protected]

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Posted on Nov 2, 2014, 11:35 am
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Quote from: Uppland on November 02, 2014, 10:28:01 AMThis is true. Boxing isn't a good example it's a sport with rules and conditions. There is a reason we feel intimidated by taller men in the natural kingdom size is usually an advantage. Alot of animals use size as an deterrant to stave off hunters, the blowfish for example.

It's reasonably common for the male to be male to be bigger in most species. Think about it does a 45 kg woman stand a chance against a 70 kg man? No -because body size (as long as it's muscles and not just fat) is a sign of strenght. Size isn't only just height a broad short man might very well be more intimidating than a skinny tall man. Bigger in every dimension equals more strenght and more dominance.


Yeah, tall stature and size is not really suggestive of fighting ability, but we are programmed to associate those traits with strenght and dominance. Same reason why they use big bodyguards even though they might suck at fighting.

the average people including women are not smart enough to look deeper and realize that a big man might be a wuss or a weakling compared to a smaller guy most of the time. They will just accept the most simple explanation to what they see, if they see a tall man they automatically think that is dominant even though they know nothing else about the guy. People are simpleminded overall.

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