Quote from: ZUCC420 on November 21, 2020, 08:37:19 PMI mean really which man would really be capable of holding the fact that his girlfriend or wife is only with him because of his money whilst being in a "loving" relationship? Makes sense based on evidence but does it really makes sense to the mind that's currently in a relationship?
They would rather kill themselves first rather than accept reality which is evident after a divorce when you take a look at the data. So Didn't think so.
Oh, but I can state as a fact that this is my case, lil buddy. I really doubt a woman who’s with someone for his money would be paying most of the things between the two. Of course this is for the time being, since currently I’m not working, but still holds true. Stop being such a tryhard, my dude. Don’t know why you’re trying to show off when you clearly know jack s***.
Quote from: ZUCC420 on November 21, 2020, 08:37:19 PMOkay, though it's not like you could actually be capable of deciding that matter in a dispassionate lense and have an interpretation be anything other than the current one you hold ....... so.
Or for that matter be able to internalize such knowledge without having a mental breakdown, cognitive dissonance and finally compartmentalizing facts or completely dismissing it based on "muh incel" "you incel wah".
I mean really which man would really be capable of holding the fact that his girlfriend or wife is only with him because of his money whilst being in a "loving" relationship? Makes sense based on evidence but does it really makes sense to the mind that's currently in a relationship?
They would rather kill themselves first rather than accept reality which is evident after a divorce when you take a look at the data. So Didn't think so.
I have an average income and my gf makes the same money as me.
In the past I was with women more rich than me and more poor.
Women that go to.someone for money are going for millionaires, not just a little richer than average man.
Also, these women are freakingly good looking and very rich men know exactly why they are with them and have them sd toys.
The biggest reason for a woman to be with a man at the begining is to be physically attracted to him, and the opposite.
Then character plays a big role if that relationship will continue.
Most women nowadays don't care much about money as they have their own, they want a good looking man that is just not poor.
And the ones that care try to be with millionaires.
So no, the vast majority of us (everyday men) who have relationships is not from the money we have.
Quote from: Body Builder on November 21, 2020, 09:20:06 PMI have an average income and my gf makes the same money as me.
In the past I was with women more rich than me and more poor.
Women that go to.someone for money are going for millionaires, not just a little richer than average man.
Also, these women are freakingly good looking and very rich men know exactly why they are with them and have them sd toys.
The biggest reason for a woman to be with a man at the begining is to be physically attracted to him, and the opposite.
Then character plays a big role if that relationship will continue.
Most women nowadays don't care much about money as they have their own, they want a good looking man that is just not poor.
And the ones that care try to be with millionaires.
So no, the vast majority of us (everyday men) who have relationships is not from the money we have.
It isn't strictly about money and if I had given that impression then my bad, it's all about the male providing resources in exchange for sxx. This is evolutionary psychology 101 and not me and other bunch of inkels making shît up in our mother's basement.
There's a reason we're called a "tournament" species and not a "pair bonding" species in the scientific literature since there exists vast differences between the two species.
The endgame of a sxxual relationship for a woman is becoming the wife of her partner and freeloading for the rest of her life while providing sxx once a month after a few years of marriage which at last heralds the final phase leading to r/deadbedroom and that is the completion of a relationship after which divorce follows, whether you care to admit it or not based on your emotional inclinations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2K92_4xLCA - This explains this better with visual data than I ever could.
That's all assuming it doesn't end abruptly in a divorce like 50% of marriages do in less than 5 years (based on statistic) by the 70% of women that are initiating it while the man pays the alimony lmao, and if not then your last bastion of hope is that your marriage falls under one of the 13% "non trivial percentage"! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8byGFryWQRU
Bottom line is you're more likely to survive a game of Russian roulette with only ONE EMPTY CHAMBER (17%) than you are to have a happy lasting marriage (13%) (Assuming self reported studies are true and those 13% aren't being delusional and lying like some people here in this obscure fringe surgery forum)
"But my wife makes more than me so stop lying incel" -https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinehoward/2010/09/10/women-who-earn-more-more-likely-to-get-divorced/
QuoteBut career women who are the family breadwinners are nearly 40% more likely to get a divorce than women without the same economic resources, according to a 25-year study by Jay Teachman, a sociology professor at Western Washington University in Bellingham, Wash.
QuoteResearchers found that the tipping point is when the wife pulled in at least 60% of the family's income.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJGdw20pNgQ - Ultimately a relationship with a woman amounts to nothing but domestic parasitism, now whether you bluepilled utterly pitiful simps such as skylimit and bigbadbrain are going to accept the truth or not is up to you, just know when reality comes knocking...
You'd think that not even a single bluepill simp will exist in a forum that's all about enhancing your looks mainly to attract women and gain social status via a gruelling dangerous surgery yet dozens of them will crawl out of the woodworks slobbered with vaginal juices inside the glory hole they spent most of their lives in that's so far removed from reality that it can only be described as being a separate interdimensional vacuum.
I encourage people here that aren't complete and utter bluepilled simps starved of vagina to shame these people that keep on peddling this bullshît with cold hard impersonal facts in order to bring them back to reality otherwise they're going to spend their whole lives in lala land while not only ruining their own lives in the process which I have no problem with but they keep on dispensing foul, misleading advice and disinformation that isn't based in reality but instead the interdimensional vacuum called the glorified pussy hole that makes them feel tingles in their pepes, that are severely detrimental to the wellbeing of other men who are ignorant of the reproductive nature of men and women.
Like I have no problem with these people fking around in their own bubble but when they start peddling this shît to other hapless men notwithstanding the myriad of evidence to the contrary floating around the net, that's what makes my blood boil.
@ZUCC420: I usually don't comment too much on these threads once people start posting YT videos with statistics, but I've actually thought about this a ton, and there is still a way to win the game of marriage today. It's not blue, red, or black pill. You just need to play the game much better than any woman can and exhibit more dark triad traits than she does. Winning the game for me is not necessarily about a long-lasting happy marriage or the trad-con life, though those are both potentially side-effects, it's mostly about procreating with someone with great genes to satisfy that biological need, and then living as a fully free man while maintaining leverage in the relationship.
In the past I've only dated hot girls or those with rich parents, I just haven't managed to find both of these traits in the same package yet, but I've gotten close. Part of the reason I'm getting LL is to improve my dating prospects with the cohort of girls that I'm targeting so I can hopefully find one who both has rich parents and is at least an 8 out of 10. I'm very experienced with this demographic having already dated half a dozen rich girls. None of them have any siblings and their parents easily had $10M+ USD net worth. I actually don't care about the girl's parents' money at all, I'm only interested in making sure she enters the marriage with enough net worth so I don't lose any money in the case of a divorce. (Rich parents almost always start transferring money to their kids early due to tax incentives.)
I have a specific set of skills and attributes that makes me very good at charming this type of girl and her parents. They usually view me as a suitable and reliable marriage partner for their daughter. I've never considered proposing to any of the ones I've dated, but each of them really wanted to get married with me (with parental approval as well) so I think it would have been easy to put a ring on any of them if I wanted to. Therefore, at my new height I should have a good shot at getting that 8 (which I'm fine with as long as she's rich enough.) As soon as we get married, I'll put a baby in her and then I win.
This is because once she is married, and especially once she has a kid, she has become used goods, aka undatable for high quality guys. If we were to ever get divorced (and especially as the years go by) I would always come out on top, so she has no incentive to ever get divorced. She can't nag me, treat me poorly, or anything like that, because I would be holding all the chips, up to and including threatening divorce. Because of this, I'll just keep doing whatever I want. Having a beer with the guys, she can't say anything. Buying stuff with my own money, she can't say anything. Plus on top of all that, it's super unlikely that she would cheat on me, since she has more to lose in a divorce, and even if she does cheat on me and we get divorced, I still win.
Go ahead, try and poke some holes in my plan. I welcome any challenges that you guys can think of.
Quote from: BelowTheMean on November 22, 2020, 02:21:51 AM@ZUCC420: I usually don't comment too much on these threads once people start posting YT videos with statistics, but I've actually thought about this a ton, and there is still a way to win the game of marriage today. It's not blue, red, or black pill. You just need to play the game much better than any woman can and exhibit more dark triad traits than she does. Winning the game for me is not necessarily about a long-lasting happy marriage or the trad-con life, though those are both potentially side-effects, it's mostly about procreating with someone with great genes to satisfy that biological need, and then living as a fully free man while maintaining leverage in the relationship.
In the past I've only dated hot girls or those with rich parents, I just haven't managed to find both of these traits in the same package yet, but I've gotten close. Part of the reason I'm getting LL is to improve my dating prospects with the cohort of girls that I'm targeting so I can hopefully find one who both has rich parents and is at least an 8 out of 10. I'm very experienced with this demographic having already dated half a dozen rich girls. None of them have any siblings and their parents easily had $10M+ USD net worth. I actually don't care about the girl's parents' money at all, I'm only interested in making sure she enters the marriage with enough net worth so I don't lose any money in the case of a divorce. (Rich parents almost always start transferring money to their kids early due to tax incentives.)
I have a specific set of skills and attributes that makes me very good at charming this type of girl and her parents. They usually view me as a suitable and reliable marriage partner for their daughter. I've never considered proposing to any of the ones I've dated, but each of them really wanted to get married with me (with parental approval as well) so I think it would have been easy to put a ring on any of them if I wanted to. Therefore, at my new height I should have a good shot at getting that 8 (which I'm fine with as long as she's rich enough.) As soon as we get married, I'll put a baby in her and then I win.
This is because once she is married, and especially once she has a kid, she has become used goods, aka undatable for high quality guys. If we were to ever get divorced (and especially as the years go by) I would always come out on top, so she has no incentive to ever get divorced. She can't nag me, treat me poorly, or anything like that, because I would be holding all the chips, up to and including threatening divorce. Because of this, I'll just keep doing whatever I want. Having a beer with the guys, she can't say anything. Buying stuff with my own money, she can't say anything. Plus on top of all that, it's super unlikely that she would cheat on me, since she has more to lose in a divorce, and even if she does cheat on me and we get divorced, I still win.
Go ahead, try and poke some holes in my plan. I welcome any challenges that you guys can think of.
I don't see anything wrong with what your doing other than QuoteThis is because once she is married, and especially once she has a kid, she has become used goods, aka undateable for high quality guys.
You're making an assumption that she is logically consistent and also that she only wants to date high quality guys, remember the female's mind cannot perceive reality in a static fashion which means she's highly unlikely to make decisions that are good for her in the long run.
She might divorce you because the drug high that she experienced during pre-marriage ran out cause it's unlikely to last long by dint of the fact that it isn't reproductively speaking in her best interest to stick with one man and have his kids but by all means if you can manage it sure, go for it.
If it does run out and she still stays with you chances are she'll fall in a clinical depression which has been documented via studies done on dead bedroom marriages and thus will put on additional burden on top of all the stacked sĥit tests she'll keep feeding you even if you're a theoretical Chad.
Personally speaking I cannot abide by this mentally taxing sĥit tests that'll be thrust upon me by womankind in a relationship also not to mention the myriad of ways a woman in a relationship cannot satisfy a man for one their libido aka sxx drive being 1/10 of a man's, 2nd they only get as horny as men once a month before the ovulation cycle begins, 3rd I have no choice but to provide whatever she asks for using my money since 85% of consumer spending is accounted by women, etcetera.
It'll take me hours upon hours to write out a dissertation on why not being in a relationship with a woman is objectively better but instincts trumps reason as usual so as long as you understand the reproductive drives and sxxual dynamic between men and women you're already in a better place than 99% of men, especially compared to the bluepilled simps squirming around this entire forum, compartmentalizing while also undergoing barbaric gruelling surgery that requires an exorbitant sum of money whilst maintaining their delusionals at the same time.
So if you're 100% sure you won't get divorced rape, taken to the cleaners, etc and that she's unlikely to leave you then I don't see much of a problem other than the fact that you're making some assumptions that might not turn out to be true and could potentially result in a dead bedroom, who knows.
Like I said, I don't care about the marriage lasting, I just want to procreate with a good set of genes. And even then, it's only because my parents want grandkids. If I get divorced, I will just find a 20 year old to spoil when I'm 50 if I still want some long-term companionship. It doesn't matter how good or bad a woman's logic is, as long as you hold all the cards, she can't do anything to you at all. You just have to care less about her than she does about you. If she tries to withhold sxx as a weapon, then she is going to lose because you can just go out and bang someone much younger then her. If she can't divorce you for a prize, then it doesn't matter at all what she thinks. As long as you are more of an a-hole than she is, then she will be the one spending all her time worrying if you've been faithful to the marriage and not the other way around.
Quote from: BelowTheMean on November 22, 2020, 03:15:08 AMLike I said, I don't care about the marriage lasting, I just want to procreate with a good set of genes.
Better ways exist that doesn't involve the sĥit that comes with marriage such as surrogacy.
Quote from: BelowTheMean on November 22, 2020, 03:15:08 AMAnd even then, it's only because my parents want grandkids. If I get divorced, I will just find a 20 year old to spoil when I'm 50 if I still want some long-term companionship. It doesn't matter how good or bad a woman's logic is, as long as you hold all the cards, she can't do anything to you at all. You just have to care less about her than she does about you. If she tries to withhold sxx as a weapon, then she is going to lose because you can just go out and bang someone much younger then her. If she can't divorce you for a prize, then it doesn't matter at all what she thinks. As long as you are more of an than her, then she spends all her time worrying about if you've been faithful to the marriage and not the other way around.
Like I said you assume the woman will be rational and won't just divorce you because she feels period. Also you seem to be quite naive based on these convictions you've created for yourself such as "If she tries to withhold sxx as a weapon, then she is going to lose because you can just go out and bang someone much younger then her." so I suggest reading some basic evo psych.
https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/4hpmg2/theory_the_betaization_process_stages_of_female/ start with this and move on to bigger books written by professionals or better yet watch Colttain and Thinking ape's videos.
That might serve you better but who knows from the looks of it, I can't add anything else since your knowledge regarding this topic is quite lacking but it seems you aren't completely off to the idea of learning so keep on internalizing these concepts about male and female nature in order to refine your black and white fallacious perspective.
Surrogacy is a waste of money and legally you have to jump through a ton of loopholes, and even if the child is born there is still the risk that you can't keep them. If you have a kid with your wife, then at least the kid has a shot at having two parents instead of being guaranteed to only have one. As long as you put yourself in the right position before signing the marriage contract, then you win. All contracts are just a collection of words, and they can be defeated by outthinking the other party.
You read way to much about this red pill BS that people spew out of their butt. Even if it's true, theory rarely applies to real life. Besides, there are so many internal contradictions and simple solutions for the topics in the videos that you linked. I also just said I don't care if she divorces me or not, so why would I care at all about the reason that she wanted to get divorced? She can be as logical or emotional as she wants to be, if she wants to get divorced then we'll do the paperwork and I'll be a free man again. The only reason I even mention that she might not actively try to divorce me is because I don't think she will be incentivized to. You might think that she will regardless of how she feels, but I don't care whether she does or not, as long as I get a kid in her first. The fact that you haven't been able to tell this is my point means that your level of intelligence is about what I would expect for being part of the RP community. Based on what I've written, even if she has a 100% chance of divorcing me, I would still marry her because I would only marry someone that I could gain from financially. I'm not sure what part of your head is unable to wrap around that.
What kind of convictions do you think I can't hold myself to? Going out and banging another woman if she withholds sxx? I've dated over a dozen girls and easily slept with at least 100 in 20+ countries. I'm not trying to brag (because it really wasn't that difficult) but girls are literally everywhere and most of them have zero relationship value. In the 21st century they've priced themselves this way - just tonight's entertainment if needed. There's nothing that a woman does or says that is going to suddenly make me act like a beta, because they're all replaceable and I know how to look. I don't need to study your male and female nature concepts because I've already experienced everything first-hand.
Either way it's a win-win for me. As long as you achieve your goals without facing unnecessary consequences, then you win. I think you would be better served figuring out how to solve your own problems instead of complaining about how it's statistically unlikely to succeed.
And you know what, even the betaization thing that you posted, I've experienced it first hand as well. I wasn't always the victor in every one of my encounters. I'm a living and breathing being too; I don't need to read theory on things that I've already experienced and know about because I'm able to internalize my experiences.
Quote from: BelowTheMean on November 22, 2020, 04:34:39 AMI've dated over a dozen girls and easily slept with at least 100 in 20+ countries.
What countries are those? Thailand, India, Philippines, Vietnam, Jamaica, Zimbabwe, Nigeria, etc? 
In all seriousness, it's not just the quantity, but the quality also bro. Just saying... 
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