Will this surgery ever be accepted by the majority

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hey please don't think i'm sounding bad here but what doctor did you see and do you think if you had of had like 2 surgeries for example done like 4 cm tibia and 4 cm femur do you think you would look more proportional also how long have you had this done are you a recently complete LL patient or have you been like that for a few years also isn't it true that the safe limit on this is 6cm per segment again please don't take offence or think i'm being rude or sound like a jerk if i came across that way it really wasn't intentional.

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Quote from: Racurz on September 13, 2017, 04:01:58 PMi didn't explain what i said clear enough sorry what i meant to say was the amount of times they have done something like that once for all those type of surgeries is ok but the amount of times they have done it surly there bodies must be damaged. with a jaw reconstruction surgery and other things like that.

that being said if you went to a good doctor for all these and the doctor said what the limit was based on your body for LL wouldn't you be able to walk normally after the surgery is complete an when i say a good doctor i mean the ones who charge like 100k on it like paley.

the reason i bring this up is because when see celebs getting nose jobs etc and so on i think clearly they have went for an experienced doctor to do it so it is done right. The point i am making is any surgery can be a dangerous procedure if it is handled by a bad doctor same with LL if it is a confident good doctor then won't the surgery be a success obviously it comes down to the patients will to walk and so on with LL.

Of course any surgery is dangerous.But the point with LL is that even though you go with Paley/Rozbruch and top doctors,you could still have serious complications or be crippled.No one knows how will your body will react to LL and if it will handle.Making things worse,even considering a successful LL's case,your body will be disabled in multiple ways,being you unable to recover 100% the preLL's condition.
After a job nose,if performed correctly,you will be 100%.And being crippled by a nose job is almost impossible.
Remember also that LL is banned in some countries
That is the point

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true but that being said do you think this statement is true i saw this on another topic in the forum a few weeks ago the person said if the person doing the LL surgery is naturally tall like 5'11 then their body would be more better suited for LL simply because they have a longer torso, legs and wingspan then say someone who is 5'7 or 5'8 also if the everything does go right with the sergury is the only real thing you lose an athletic ability lets say you have a 100% athletic ability then would you probably end up with like a 60-70% athletic ability after it also is it true that the safe limit is 6cm per segment for best recovery

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Quote from: Racurz on September 13, 2017, 05:42:24 PMtrue but that being said do you think this statement is true i saw this on another topic in the forum a few weeks ago the person said if the person doing the LL surgery is naturally tall like 5'11 then their body would be more better suited for LL simply because they have a longer torso, legs and wingspan then say someone who is 5'7 or 5'8 also if the everything does go right with the sergury is the only real thing you lose an athletic ability lets say you have a 100% athletic ability then would you probably end up with like a 60-70% athletic ability after it also is it true that the safe limit is 6cm per segment for best recovery

There is a small statistical advantedge in lengthening if you're naturally taller, as on average taller people have longer femurs/tibias and as such you're not stretching as much muscle/soft tissue with regard to total femur/tibia area.

However, bone regeneration, blood circulations, stretching ability and lots of other variables are just as important, so a 5'8" person could still be a better candidate for LL than someone who is 5'11".

6 cm Tibia is a lot. Tibia's in general are a lot more complex to lengthen than Femurs.

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Quote from: Racurz on September 13, 2017, 05:42:24 PMtrue but that being said do you think this statement is true i saw this on another topic in the forum a few weeks ago the person said if the person doing the LL surgery is naturally tall like 5'11 then their body would be more better suited for LL simply because they have a longer torso, legs and wingspan then say someone who is 5'7 or 5'8 also if the everything does go right with the sergury is the only real thing you lose an athletic ability lets say you have a 100% athletic ability then would you probably end up with like a 60-70% athletic ability after it also is it true that the safe limit is 6cm per segment for best recovery

That's not true. Taller people can generally lengthen more than shorter people, with the amount varying. It would be more suitable to compare leg lenghts instead of total body heights for that. However, it still can't be said that a 5'11'' person is more suited to undergo LL than a 5'7'' person. For example, for lengthening 4 cm on the tibia, or 5 on the femur, there won't be much difference between the two people.

The safe limit for tibia is also more like 4.5-5 cms instead of 6 cms. It's very possible that even a 5'11'' candidate will have trouble with 6 centimetres, or at least the risk for that is high.

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Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on September 13, 2017, 06:24:20 PMThat's not true. Taller people can generally lengthen more than shorter people, with the amount varying. It would be more suitable to compare leg lenghts instead of total body heights for that. However, it still can't be said that a 5'11'' person is more suited to undergo LL than a 5'7'' person. For example, for lengthening 4 cm on the tibia, or 5 on the femur, there won't be much difference between the two people.

The safe limit for tibia is also more like 4.5-5 cms instead of 6 cms. It's very possible that even a 5'11'' candidate will have trouble with 6 centimetres, or at least the risk for that is high.

so are you saying that if say someone who is 5'8 and someone who is 5'11 have the same leg length like inseam are both 30 i only use this number because that's what mine is at 5'10 then the length they could lengthen would be the same

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Quote from: Racurz on September 13, 2017, 06:39:46 PMso are you saying that if say someone who is 5'8 and someone who is 5'11 have the same leg length like inseam are both 30 i only use this number because that's what mine is at 5'10 then the length they could lengthen would be the same

The basic rule is that you shouldn't exceed 15% of original bone length.

Example: If your femur bone is 40cms that means 6cm is your "safe limit" since 6cm is 15% of your original bone length(in this case 40cm).

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Quote from: The Dreamer on September 13, 2017, 03:55:08 PMYou're definitely right.It's common sense to say that this surgery is crazy.Breaking healthy legs is never a good idea.
I'm just thinking on those poor guys naturally disabled in wheelchair that would do anything for have normal legs.
And feeling an ungrateful ass-ahole for just remotely considering LL

Yes, but what about the people that are better in terms of height, should I feel anger about them? Bad Luck is a real bitch, but there is always a solution

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Quote from: onemorefoot on September 13, 2017, 06:45:47 PMYes, but what about the people that are better in terms of height, should I feel anger about them? Bad Luck is a real bitch, but there is always a solution

i understand where the other guy is coming from although i can understand where you are also coming from look at me for example i have 3 brothers and all of them are well over 6'0 my oldest brother is 6'4 my 2nd oldest is 6'4 aswell my younger brother is 6'3 maybe 6'4 now and then you have me at 5'10 honestly it ain't fair espacally when my dad is 6'1 and my mom is 5'9

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Quote from: onemorefoot on September 13, 2017, 06:45:47 PMYes, but what about the people that are better in terms of height, should I feel anger about them? Bad Luck is a real bitch, but there is always a solution

I think that those are quite different things.Being forced to stay for all your life in wheelchair because Nature gave you a faulty genetic is way worse than being short.When you are short you can still walk,do sports and have an acceptable life.When you are disabled in a wheelchair for all your life you are condemned.
However those are my consciousness debates,i don't want to involve all of you or to say don't do LL