Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that

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Quote from: NotSoBigBadBruin on September 07, 2020, 12:27:04 PMI compared Dave Franco with Nikola Jokić, not with an average Joe, i.e., short and handsome vs. tall and less handsome (both are super rich). Because the point I was trying to make is that a handsome face is more important than simply being tall when it comes to physical attraction. I didn’t mean to compare someone who is short and handsome with someone who is tall and handsome.

It depends. If you are handsome and 150cm you're in a worse position than a 185cm average looking guy.

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Quote from: O_99 on September 07, 2020, 12:34:50 PMIt depends. If you are handsome and 150cm you're in a worse position than a 185cm average looking guy.

Yes, I agree. At some point, a handsome face will no longer make up for a lack in height.

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Quote from: NotSoBigBadBruin on September 07, 2020, 12:27:04 PMSorry, I always confuse you with “a.” But again, how large a dating pool do you need?

As large as the taller version of myself would have had.

Quote from: NotSoBigBadBruin on September 07, 2020, 12:27:04 PMI compared Dave Franco with Nikola Jokić, not with an average Joe, i.e., short and handsome vs. tall and less handsome (both are super rich). Because the point I was trying to make is that a handsome face is more important than simply being tall when it comes to physical attraction. I didn’t mean to compare someone who is short and handsome with someone who is tall and handsome.

And what most people fail to realize is that

1) Beauty is subjective. Maybe to you Dave Franco's face is great, but to others look to boyish or not their type. Whereas height can be measured. If you're 5'5" then you're 5'5", you're firmly in the short territory because you're statistically 4" under average male.

2) Facial flaws are much easier to fix. As you know plastic surgery is more affordable with much greater results and less side-effects. And for some people, simply growing facial hair can mask their ugliness.

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Quote from: las vegas baby on September 06, 2020, 07:12:12 AMWhen asked about long term complications, he says if you are high level athlete you might lose some of that. He frequently mentions that if you are a high level athlete who wants that "nanosecond" edge over a competitor then this surgery is not for you. He also told on the "DOCTORS" show that there are studies that show there is no long term damage to joints. He also said no one patient has regretted it.

I have been watching his interviews closely. It is very clear that with the modern minimally invasive technology you will completely recover except if you need very high level athleticism. I doubt a full time 40+ surgeon would want any of that.

He even mentions the pain is manageable. he has this plastic surgeon patient (who also appeared on a tv show) who went to be doing surgeries just 2 weeks after leg length surgery.

It requires hard work for sure. but nothing a man with that much discipline and hard work (I Mean look at his resume) can't do.

5'7 is probably not a big deal in Amerca. But for someone to be this very field of cosmetic medicine and not consider doing this procedure is suspicious

The same told me my LL doctor before doing me achilles tendon lengthening, that the difference won't be visible to anyone other than athletes, and I couldn't even walk properly!
If I haven't done tendon shortening with my last doctor (God bless him) I would be doomed.
So, in a few words, doctors say bs to promote their work and get money.

Of course you'll lose a lot of athletic abilities, you risk oremature arthritis etc with LL, no matter what some doctors say. Stretching your tissues for 6-8 cm is not a joke.
That said, if things go well, eith a good doctor and without lengthenung too much, you'll walk good and generally be fine, but you won't be competitive in any sport that needs your feet, just an average amateur if you train hard.

So, if doing sports is the most important for you, LL wilk ruin you. If you are a normal person, LL and the social benefits of being taller will really help your life a lot. You can't have everything in life.

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Quote from: Bruce Wayne on September 07, 2020, 12:52:34 PMAnd what most people fail to realize is that

1) Beauty is subjective. Maybe to you Dave Franco's face is great, but to others look to boyish or not their type. Whereas height can be measured. If you're 5'5" then you're 5'5", you're firmly in the short territory because you're statistically 4" under average male.

Meh..

The "subjective factor" is weak. If you take a handsome guy and ask a group of random women to rate him (face photo, no height involved), and the average score he gets is 9, for example, I can assure you that the 90% of them rated him 8, 9 or 10, with the majority giving a 9. The rest (<10%) are statistical outliers and their opinion doesn't mean much. So the subjectiveness of face beauty is not that important.

Height can be measured, but some women want guys only 185cm+ tall, others 175-185cm and so on.

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Quote from: NotSoBigBadBruin on September 06, 2020, 10:13:52 PMJust because we’re insecure about our height, doesn’t mean everyone is. Back in my home country (where the average male height is 178 cm), I knew several guys who were 5’7” and were perfectly happy with their height. Not everyone is obsessed with their physical appearance and is willing to go through a lot of pain and sacrifice some of their athleticism just to become taller. If Dr. D. is happy with his body, why should he do LL?

Well said. Wondering why any LL doctor don't do LL on himself is plain stupid. First of all he is not that short and second, not all men have a so big height insecure like all of us here who did or plan to do LL.
LL as I wrote before has drawbacks and saying otherwise is plain stupid and unethical if you are a doctor and thats a foul of Derbipashad but noone can judge him why he didn't do LL on himself.
Quote from: NotSoBigBadBruin on September 07, 2020, 10:09:59 AMDude, it’s not all about height. Some people on this forum are so obsessed with height that they think it’s the only thing that matters to women. Yes, most women wouldn’t date someone shorter than them, but that’s it. I know many tall guys who are single, and I know many short guys with attractive girlfriends. For example, my dad is 176 cm and has always been very popular with women, mostly because of his handsome face and great hair. His brother is 188 cm and has never had a girlfriend in his entire life. I also know know a guy back in my home country who is 170 cm and looks like Johnny Depp. He’s always had very attractive girlfriends and been much more popular with women than most tall guys I know. I’m not saying that height doesn’t matter (because it does), but it’s just one of many qualities that make you attractive—you don’t need to have them all.

Its not one of many qualities, it is the most important for a man to have a decent height and at least not be obese or very skinny.
If someone has a decent height, a slim or muscular body (not something extreme) with a good stylr and not an ugly face (no need to look handsome) he literally can have any woman he wants in terms of appearance and only.
If someone has nit something of these his chances are much worse but especially if he is really short (1.70 and under), his chances are minimum.
Thats the harsh reality.
Quote from: O_99 on September 07, 2020, 01:09:26 PMMeh..

The "subjective factor" is weak. If you take a handsome guy and ask a group of random women to rate him (face photo, no height involved), and the average score he gets is 9, for example, I can assure you that the 90% of them rated him 8, 9 or 10, with a the majority giving a 9. The rest (<10%) are statistical outliers and their opinion doesn't mean much. So the subjectiveness of face beauty is not that important.

Height can be measured, but some women want guys only 185cm+ tall, others 175-185cm and so on.

Height is the most important factor for a man's appearqnce fkr women and this is objectively admited from them.
Most of them prefer dark guys but some of them like blondes, many of them like muscular guys but many also like more fit ones etc but the vast majority of women agree to ine thing about men. They want them tall or at least average. That is an objective truth and if you accept it, you can see that if you are short one (like I was before my LL) anything else doesn't matter (I had expensive clothes, big muscles like now, a good face etc but at 1.68 I was nearly invisible for most of women) and LL is the only way.
But if you are at least average, things are different,although a tall height is always a benefit, but not that crucial.

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Quote from: Body Builder on September 07, 2020, 01:15:13 PMWell said. Wondering why any LL doctor don't do LL on himself is plain stupid. First of all he is not that short and second, not all men have a so big height insecure like all of us here who did or plan to do LL.
LL as I wrote before has drawbacks and saying otherwise is plain stupid and unethical if you are a doctor and thats a foul of Derbipashad but noone can judge him why he didn't do LL on himself.

That’s the point, here people write such as a great height is the only thing that matter in the life. It’s full of people under 170 who are not interested about their short height, maybe they would prefer being taller but nothing else, no complex.

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Quote from: O_99 on September 07, 2020, 01:09:26 PMHeight can be measured, but some women want guys only 185cm+ tall, others 175-185cm and so on.

I don't even care what they want anymore.

All I know is having women tilt her head down just to look me in the eyes is a HUGE turn-off.

So if you're 5'6", for example, you're probably looking at more than half of female population in the West taller than you.

However, if you're just 5'9", you're taller than at least 95% of them. Because many of them are in the 5'6"-5'9" range.

It's crazy how 2-3" can be so significant.

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Quote from: Bruce Wayne on September 07, 2020, 12:52:34 PMAs large as the taller version of myself would have had.

OK, so if you’re convinced that the size of your current dating pool is too small, then I hope there are no other factors preventing you from finding your Mrs. Right.

Quote from: Bruce Wayne on September 07, 2020, 12:52:34 PMAnd what most people fail to realize is that

1) Beauty is subjective. Maybe to you Dave Franco's face is great, but to others look to boyish or not their type. Whereas height can be measured. If you're 5'5" then you're 5'5", you're firmly in the short territory because you're statistically 4" under average male.

And what many people on this forum fail to realize is that being tall won’t get you very far if your face is ugly/average. Again, I’d rather be 170 cm and look like Dave Franco or Neymar than be tall and have an average or ugly face. Would I rather be 150 cm and look like Dave Franco or Neymar? No.

Quote from: Bruce Wayne on September 07, 2020, 12:52:34 PM2) Facial flaws are much easier to fix. As you know plastic surgery is more affordable with much greater results and less side-effects. And for some people, simply growing facial hair can mask their ugliness.

I’d love to see some before/after photos of men with ugly faces who have become super handsome through plastic surgery.

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Quote from: a on September 07, 2020, 11:45:56 AMI'm 173, 175 in the morning.

Since I'm a little under average I'd benefit this surgery a lot. Because I can simply be taller for the rest of my life with good proportions.
If you are short, everything related to you will be short (average measurements, there are people with too long torso lengths for their height but it's like 1/10000). Your hands, your skull, your feet, your torso, shoulders etc.

The best LL is when you go to "tall" from "average". If you are saying that you'd never do CLL at 170cm, it's because you were not born at that height. If I were like 160cm, I'd definetely think that 170is a good height. But it's not. It sucks. You feel like god has cursed you. He has given you everything but height. It's a real torture.

Being below 170 is 2x torture, I know. But if you are in 160cm range and be 170, you'll simply have long legs and small af torso. It has a great chance of looking bad. Me, as an average person I can tell you that my torso and my limbs are as tall as the natural tall guys. So are most of the people I know who are average. Tall people only has 5-10cm advantage coming from their legs. Their torso would be taller than mine maximumly 2cm. Why not lengthening my legs to be "tall"? It's the best gift in the world.

Mostly average people have problems with their arm length and hand length. But I'm lucky to have big hands. In my future CLL experience (if happens) the only - thing will be my slightly short arms. Nobody will care though. But if you are short and be average, it won't look as good as average to tall CLL.

Dude I don’t know why but in almost every single post in this forum, even if about different topics, you always wrap up every information about your body your height your proportion claiming how good you can be with the surgery but I don’t know what’s your purpose lol. If you are so sure about this don’t worry you don’t need to look for the approval of the forum dwellers, don’t need to convince yourself