Will Dr. Kevin Debiparshad do LL for himself? I will believe in LL after that

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Quote from: O_99 on September 07, 2020, 02:40:39 PMNot if you belong in the normal height range, a 178cm 9/10 face will beat a 186cm 6/10 face. Of course a 8/10 185cm guy will have an advantage over a 9/10 176cm one. If you go below 175cm, it's becoming harder and harder and you'd have to make up with extremely handsome face, money and I don't fking know what else.

Spot on! Based on my experience, in some countries even a 170 cm guy with a 9-10/10 face can “beat” a 186 cm guy with a 6/10 face (not in countries like the Netherlands, though, where there are hardly any women below 170 cm).

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Guys, don't hate me but I think being ugly is almost IMPOSSIBLE lol! You can easily get your nose fixed, lips, jawline etc. I'd rather being 1/100 handsome of my actual version with a height of 6'1.

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Quote from: a on September 07, 2020, 08:02:53 PMGuys, don't hate me but I think being ugly is almost IMPOSSIBLE lol! You can easily get your nose fixed, lips, jawline etc. I'd rather being 1/100 handsome of my actual version with a height of 6'1.

Be careful what you wish for. Your height neurosis is clouding your judgment. It’s delusional to think that, e.g., Wayne Rooney can easily become as handsome as David Beckham by having his nose, jawline, etc. fixed through plastic surgery.

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Another example: Neymar vs. Ronaldinho



So you’d rather look like Ronaldinho because he’s taller and can easily become as handsome as Neymar (at least in your opinion)?

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Methinks the life of being an athletically hindered arthritis prone 173 man outweighs the suffering of living as a 165 boy, for at least 20 years lol. Obviously once the long term effects of arthritis start coming in, I'll obviously not like it, but for the lifetime of height neurosis gone and 20 years of enjoyment and comfort and increased confidence in me body, me thinks it worth.

And in 20 years, we will probably have pretty darned advanced medicine. Heck, we can fukking reverse osteoporosis and shiet with a single pill and shiet and shiet and like things are only gonna improve, we can make kids fukkin grow taller without major side effects and none long term, we got meds that turn prediabetic fatassess into healthy blood sugar ppl. Id take the arthritis over 20 years or lifetime of height neurosis and body dysphoria.

And like c'mon, 30% of the us population is obese. Like 70% is overweight. These are people who have significant health issues, a third of the fkin country. Everyone has problems these days. The average person is a fat, couch slobbing mf with significant health issues. And that's probably gonna be us when we are 60. So we ain't rly standing out from the crowd with health problems at old age, everyone be like dis hehe xd. Only like 1% of people are athletic enough to need max performance tbh. As long as u can fukkin run, go to gym, your fine even if LL fked ur running speed.

I wecommend do whatever da fuk u want to be happy. 25 years of reducing mental illness now IF ITS THAT DEBILITATING TO THE POINT YOU OBSSESS OVER HEIGHT EVERYDAY AND FACE DYSPHORIA DAILY, curing this aspect of your life is mucho better than tryna retain the arthritis free lifestyle when your 50 years old lol or having full athletic function versus like 80%.

We take dese tradss

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I'm glad this topic was made. It lead us, the forum members, into a conversation flow. A lot of people have talked. I kinda like it.

edit: I wish forum was as talkative as today, everyday.

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Also, we are lucky that the medicine system will probably be improved to an incredible level. There will possibly be drugs curing any possible side effects come from CLL. Healthcare industry is a fkn blessing.

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Quote from: Bruce Wayne on September 07, 2020, 04:16:45 PMRunning fast is just an example. What I'm trying to say is athletic functions aren't really something to underestimate.

And if only it's the only trade-off of LL, I probably would still do it. But apart from that,

1. It isn't free. It costs a lot of money.

2. Several months of unbearable pain. Some say it's more painful than getting hit by a car.

3. All things that can go wrong during surgery & lengthening phase: infection, fat embolism, non-union, etc. Unicorn is the best example  for this.

4. If you're lucky and pass all those, you'll still face possible long term complications: such as the one you mentioned: "premature arthritis" which among the popular ones. And the unpopular ones such as possible shortened life expectancy.

Because you said "Stretching your tissues for 6-8 cm is not a joke." Is it possible that it will cause any circulatory problems/your heart having to work harder making you more prone to life-threathening disease such as cardiac arrest and such?

5. And on top of that: reduced athletic functions (guaranteed)

Then you gain 2".

I generally agree although I had almost zero pain with my monorails. External LL is much more painless than internals, thats why in tibias it is the best and safest way.

But still the biggest problem for me is money.
I would trade some more of my (already reduced) athletic abilities for another 6-7 cm and I could handle the pain for a few months and take the risks, but 50k+ euros for Stryde (the only way to do femur LL imo) are too many and even if I can hardly afford them, I should cut much of my everyday habits to pay for and at my current height it does not worth it.
At my past height, it would really worth it and also, if I won 1 million in the lottery it would have been the first thing to do, but sensibly thinking, giving 50k with a salary of about 1500 euros to gain 7cm when you are 1.76 is a big no.
So, even I know very well all the difficulties with LL as I am a veteran, the main reason I am not doing it again is money.
And thats something I hope it will change in the future, LL becoming more affordable.
But I really doubt it unless we have many new doctors start doing cosmetic LL for the prices to start geting down.

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Quote from: las vegas baby on September 07, 2020, 02:06:04 PMIve no idea where you got this done, but Dr. Kevin Debiparshad is board certified and American. He has degrees from Harvard and a great  Canada university and done fellowship with Paley. He uses newest and minimally invasive technology. He is confident of this procedure enough to bring it to main stream attention.

He went to "DOCTORS" TV show and presented a patient to a live audience. You have to be really confident about this to do that. He has done interviews with major media outlets. Telling some lies to patients in person is one thing but in front a live TV audience seen by hundreds of thousands is a different matter. He is putting a lot of reputation at stake. He wouldnt do it unless he was sure.

He wants this procedure to become mainstream and not something only crazy people do. This builds confidence in the procedure. People can do it without hiding.

The only thing for me is to see "skin in the game". If he does it for himself, I Would be convinced 100%.

In fact I still have hope that he will do this some day. That he will be pausing new patients for a month or two until his surgery is done. Then it will become more mainstream.

There’s a problem here that I just thought of. Who would he get it done with, Paley? Wouldn’t that also be free advertising for that doc then? “The CLL doctor that other CLL doctors trust!”

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Quote from: NotSoBigBadBruin on September 07, 2020, 08:39:11 PMAnother example: Neymar vs. Ronaldinho



So you’d rather look like Ronaldinho because he’s taller and can easily become as handsome as Neymar (at least in your opinion)?

A little off-topic, but speaking of Neymar. I just thought of the following incident.



By the way, Neymar is still good height at 1.73, so not a good example to represent short men.

Average and tall is different from short and tall.