Quote from: Bander72 on August 03, 2017, 10:54:48 PMYou revive a 2 yeard old thread for what exactly? If you can do it then go for it. Or if its not even your goal to do this amount then I dont see why you care if people think its doable or not. Here is a post from a diary of Dr. Barinov that shows the issues of pushing yourself to those limitis.
Two patients were lengthening at the clinic and the doctor told them to stop at 6cm. The doctor’s would not treat them if they continued to lengthen and even took away the lengthening keys. The patients left the clinic, got an apartment nearby and went to the hardware store and bought a spanner so that they could turn the screws themselves and continue lengthening without any medical supervision. They lengthened to 11cm and 12cm respectively on their tibias. They then returned to the clinic weeks later and expected the doctor’s to correct what had clearly gone wrong. They could barely move! They became severely depressed but the doctor’s still took care of them as best they could.
This topic highlights 10 cm not 11 or 12 cm. besides what do we know about this Clinician and how was the medical conditions of these patients? Many things are lacking in your post. However, we can agree that 11-12 cm is to much for tibia.
Quote from: Cain1234 on August 04, 2017, 09:21:26 AMYes, I know but I cannot disclose their identities. You just have to take my word for it.
With all due respect just because you have posted some 500+ Post doesn't make you a veteran or somehow entitled physician in this field. I find you too be an extremely stubborn person. I'm just saying to stop with these negativity especially remarks by "sweden"
LL surgery is not easy and beyond 7 Cm is hard but not impossible. You need to take in consideration the clinician performing it, bone anatomy/density, muscular/tendon attachments, hormone levels, normal CBC etc. Every person is unique.
Disagree, of course you cannot practice taekwando or martial arts shortly after LL. Thats just stupid. Besides I've read that Sweden had some ankle injury which surely can effect the outcome. I've also read people walking shortly after surgery or not following doctors advice during lengthening.
I am a veteran not because I have a number of posts here but because I did LL and maybe before any other active member here.
Have you done LL? Because you speak with disrespect for people who know about LL because they have done it.
So who are you to know more than me or any other veteran about what is possible or not?
Quote from: Cain1234 on August 04, 2017, 09:26:21 AMThis topic highlights 10 cm not 11 or 12 cm. besides what do we know about this Clinician and how was the medical conditions of these patients? Many things are lacking in your post. However, we can agree that 11-12 cm is too much for the tibia.
Having done 10 instead of 11 or 12 would not have made a difference when they already went and did a ridiculous amount. What exactly makes 10 cm not too much? They were initially in the clinic and had almost daily visits from the doctor. You bring up that it is possible and that's true but why would go against the doctor's orders. Even a quack doctor from India will know far more about the procedure and when you should shop. There is a reason why the majority of doctors never recommend to this ridiculous amount of 10 cm in surgery. So no one can tell someone that they have to lengthen less but they can certainly advise them to not take these extra risk when they can do another surgery down the line. And bodybuilder is a veteran for actually having done the surgery and has shared the complications he has faced including having to get Atl surgery to fix his issues. He advices against this amount because he can say from firsthand expirience how even at 7 cm he suffered alot of complications let alone if he had pushed to 10 cm.
With 10cm lengthening it is impossible to avoid atl surgery which decreases your athletic capabilities much more than LL itself.
Only that, without the change in biomechanics etc is enough to never consider these amounts of lengthening.
Quote from: Body Builder on August 04, 2017, 11:11:32 AMWith 10cm lengthening it is impossible to avoid atl surgery which decreases your athletic capabilities much more than LL itself.
Only that, without the change in biomechanics etc is enough to never consider these amounts of lengthening.
Please, pay attention to my post and read it again. I've said you have to take in consideration muscular and tendon attachment. This is just tiny aspect as there are many things than can go wrong.
Thousands of people are performing LL annually. It all depends on your anatomical features, clinician, age etc whether u can go for 10 or not.
Bodybuilder, you cannot speak on behalf of Others just because yours and swedens LL had a bad outcome.
Quote from: Cain1234 on August 04, 2017, 01:11:44 PMPlease, pay attention to my post and read it again. I've said you have to take in consideration muscular and tendon attachment. This is just tiny aspect as there are many things than can go wrong. Thousands of people are propably performing
LL annually. It all depend on your anatomical features, clinician, age etc whether u can go for 10 or not.
Bodybuilder you cannot speak on behalf of Others just because yours and swedens LL had a bad outcome.
I had a mediocre outcome which will be better than average after my last fix surgery which seems to work good.
But regardless of that, I don't know anyone who did 10cm and had a good outcome.
And you can't speak of behalf of noone as you haven't even done LL.
Simple as that.
You don't have to take into consideration anything.
10cm in tibias for 99,99 % of people will be a suicide.
Body Builder does the bone not fully heal in time wether its 10cm you added in the tibia or 7cm.
The way I always thought it worked was that the bone (no matter how much the lenghthening) fully healed after some time. Is this not the case?
I'm not talking about proportions but the bone itself.
Quote from: giorgi98 on August 16, 2017, 02:02:21 PMBody Builder does the bone not fully heal in time wether its 10cm you added in the tibia or 7cm.
The way I always thought it worked was that the bone (no matter how much the lenghthening) fully healed after some time. Is this not the case?
I'm not talking about proportions but the bone itself.
Bone heals fully.
But the change in biomechanics is big and the longer you lengthen the more the difference and the body can't adapt.
So with 10cm in femurs or even more in tibias I can guarantee that noone can even walk with a completely normal gait after LL and he could never run fast again.
10cm are huge in one segment, everything more than 7-8 cm is suicidal.
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