5'8" Robert Downey Jr. (with a 6'3" father)
QuoteAs a child, Downey was "surrounded by drugs." His father, a drug addict, allowed Downey to use marijuana at age six, an incident which his father later said he regretted.[16] Downey later stated that drug use became an emotional bond between him and his father: "When my dad and I would do drugs together, it was like him trying to express his love for me in the only way he knew how." Eventually, Downey began spending every night abusing alcohol and "making a thousand phone calls in pursuit of drugs."[17][18]
5'6" Al Pacino
QuotePacino began smoking and drinking at age nine, and used marijuana casually at age 13, but he abstained from hard drugs.[8] His two closest friends died from drug abuse at the ages of 19 and 30.[9] Growing up in the Bronx, Pacino got into occasional fights and was considered somewhat of a troublemaker at school.[10] He acted in basement plays in New York's theatrical underground but was rejected as a teenager by the Actors Studio.[4] Pacino joined the HB Studio, where he met acting teacher Charlie Laughton,[a] who became his mentor and best friend.[4] In this period, he was often unemployed and homeless, and sometimes slept on the street, in theaters, or at friends' houses.[2][11]
5'8" Mark Wahlberg
QuoteBy age 13, Wahlberg had developed an addiction to cocaine and other substances.[10][11] While living in Boston in the 1980s Wahlberg was twice charged for race-related hate crimes, serving time in jail for one of the attacks.
Quote from: Body Builder on September 17, 2020, 04:03:51 PMFirst of all, none of them are really short.
5.6 is short nowadays but not before 50 years when Al Pacino was young when it was about average.
No, 5'6" was short back then. He's visibly shorter in the older films.
Quote from: Body Builder on September 17, 2020, 04:03:51 PMAlso, 5.8 is not short too.
It's not short for a man worldwide. But statistically speaking, about 2.5" shorter than average white male. Possibly even worse compared to younger generations.
What I see most people fail to understand is that they often compare their height to the average height of men where they live specifically which is meaningless. Whereas I believe it's a lot more important to compare your height to other men of your race because people will still see you as a whole package. A 5'8" South East Asian guy in the US would be seen as a good height man whereas a 5'8" white guy would be seen as pretty short. And people have higher expectations for black guys in terms of height, because strereotypical black guys are tall and big, thanks to NBA and Heavyweight Boxing. So a 5'8" black guy might have it even harder than a 5'8" white guy.
Even then that doesn't help that much either, always better if you are tall regardless of race of course.
Quote from: Body Builder on September 17, 2020, 04:03:51 PMBecoming 5.8 from a 6.3 father doesn't mean you stunted your growth because ,
It doesn't mean, but it might. I didn't even say they stunted their growth.
Quote from: Body Builder on September 17, 2020, 04:03:51 PMI know 6+ ft men from fathers less than 5.7. so what they did, they cheated their growth.
Same here, I also know lots of 6' men from fathers less than 5'7", I have yet to see a 5'7" man from a 6' father.
Quote from: Body Builder on September 17, 2020, 04:03:51 PMAll these mean nothing. Many men do drugs, smoke etc at a very young age and end up tall or very tall.
Maybe means nothing. But at least it's relieving to know that some other people also make mistakes in the past one way or another.
Quote from: Body Builder on September 17, 2020, 04:03:51 PM1-2 cm max are not important.
It's still important, but not so regrettable. But it's just an arbitrary number from you. In reality, could be a lot more. We might have undiagnosed HGH deficiency.
Quote from: O_99 on September 18, 2020, 10:04:30 AMIf you live in Germany and you compare your height to the average 'international', say, 178cm, while the majority of your peers are 180cm+, what's the point?
I've talked about this. You should think yourself as an independent individual instead of a part of a country.
Quote from: O_99 on September 18, 2020, 10:04:30 AMblack?
Right, I've corrected it.
Quote from: Body Builder on September 18, 2020, 10:07:21 AMHgh deficiency is completely different from the things you mentioned (smoking etc).
And yes, if someone has it it could stunted a lit his height. That said, the vast majority of short men are simoly short due to genetics, without deficiencies and these. We are completely normal people who have (or had) less than average height. Thats why it called average, because some are taller and some are shorter than that, still completely normal.
Yeah the vast majority I'm sure. But what I'm saying is that a few of us could be that minority. Because it seems that even scientists and doctors are just as clueless about this. I've asked dozens of doctors, they all just say the basic stuffs, like nutrition, sleep, sports, etc etc. Literally none of them said those factors aren't necessary for height.
Quote from: Body Builder on September 18, 2020, 10:07:21 AMAnd 5.6 for 60s was almost average. In Britain (I dont know exactly about usa but I guess it was almost the same) the average height back then was 5.7, so 5.6 back then was like 5.85 nowadays which is average.
Are you from UK? I thought you're Scandinavian.
Aynway I don't know the average exactly, but from watching older films, the men look just as tall as nowadays.
Quote from: O_99 on September 18, 2020, 10:39:28 AMI know.
Why should I?
It's not meaningless.
It's pretty meaningless. At 5'10" male is still seen as sexually worthy by women from pretty much anywhere in the world.
Quote from: O_99 on September 18, 2020, 10:46:48 AMI don't date 'international' women, whatever that's supposed to mean, if I live in Germany.
No, you could be travelling to other places. And Germany is a touristic country with lots of immigrants. Other Europeans can just take TGV to go to Germany. Point is you'll still meet everybody in this country.
Quote from: O_99 on September 18, 2020, 10:46:48 AMI have 5'6-5'7 women in front of me, and 6'1 opponents.
Look man, it's always better when you are 6'2". No denying it. At 5'6", I will personally have a lot bigger problems also with 5'7"-5'9" women in front of me, against 5'11'-6" opponents.
Quote from: O_99 on September 18, 2020, 10:57:12 AMI'd be interested in the majority of the female population, which are 'tall' German women, not immigrants.
I'd be intimitaded by 6ft+ German male peers in the workplace, bars, events, etc, most of the times, not hanging around with 'shorter' English/Italian/whatever tourists.
And the vast majority of these 'tall' German women would still be shorter than 5'10".
I'd be interested in being 6'2", in a perfect world. But what's more important is to be in the safe zone.
Quote from: Alamin on September 18, 2020, 11:17:12 AMBruce wagne how tall are you.
167cm.
Quote from: O_99 on September 18, 2020, 11:26:43 AMSo what? It would still feel short.
So be grateful for the fact you are taller than 95% of the female population in the world while a lot of people here struggle to even be taller than women.
Why don't you just move to India? I'm sure you'll shine more there.
Quote from: O_99 on September 18, 2020, 11:58:07 AMHmm. If only I was 178cm.
Where are you from? 167cm is above women average in most countries.
Because I don't want to. I want to become taller, I have a sh*t height for my country and age.
The original point was that comparing your height to your country's average specifically is not meaningless.
I'd say we should use the average height of Nordic girls as a benchmark which is around 169cm/170cm.
Taller than me but shorter than 172cm.
I'm not saying that 172cm is a perfect height for a European.
And your original example is a 178cm German.
Quote from: O_99 on September 18, 2020, 12:16:51 PMI thought you were reffering to me personally because you then asked why not move to India, but ok. Most Germans wouldn't want to move to India either.
Where that 172cm came from? You mean my height? It's a sh*t height where I live for my age.
And where are you from? Because I'm pretty sure that for your country, you're above female average.
Why wouldn't you move to India? If it means having no issues with height.
Quote from: O_99 on September 18, 2020, 12:22:27 PMBecause I like it where I live. Where are you from? Why don't you move to India?
Because I am not the one who said that a 160cm Indian guy in India has it good.
From what I see, you think that it's so important to be good height compared to average height of people in the country we live.
Average men in India is 5'5" or so. Women is under 5'3".
So I have an easy solution for you, buy a plane ticket to India. You'd be a king there. Why wouldn't you do it?
90% men will be shorter than you. 99% of women there will be shorter than you.
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