Quote from: palm_trees on October 16, 2023, 10:54:11 AMCheck out the chart on this study:
https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=573743071&hl=en&sxsrf=AM9HkKkO2J9g5yOiloFVotrHAkkioxR1XA:1697450179589&q=womens+acceptance+of+potential+male+partners+based+on+male+height&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwicuunXpvqBAxVJm4kEHUblCQQQ0pQJegQIDBAB&biw=1120&bih=628&dpr=3#imgrc=ownS8Rgg6rWCbM
Further analysis of their data demonstrates the importance of every inch of height for men, as two inches of height gain for a man can be found to have the following results:
- A man in the 5'4-5'6" range will have more than double the potential number of female partners with 2" height gain.
- A 5'4" man will have 2.3 times as many potential female partners by gaining 2" height.
- A 5'7" man will have 1.86 times as many potential female partners by gaining 2" height.
- Benefits become insignificant past 5'10".
- Below 5'1" a 2" height gain also makes an insignificant difference, as even after 2" gain, a man at this height is still "too short" for most women to consider.
Because the few women who are willing to date a shorter men are also generally willing to date a taller man as well, the competition for women willing to date shorter men becomes extremely high. This means:
- A 5' man must "beat" over 12 men (most of whom will be taller) to get a girl accepting of his height.
- A 5'4" man will have to "beat" over 7 other men (most of whom will be taller) to get a girl accepting of his height.
- 5'10 to 6'4" men have the least competition as the demand for these men outpaces their supply, and statistically overall women must compete for these men rather than vice versa.
These studies may also be self reported (meaning men often lie about their height giving them an extra inch), meaning 5’10 could very well be 5’9 (or rounded to 5’10 with shoes)
I agree. If I were to be below 5 ft 6, I would not be on this forum. Either I would be dead or be done with LL(even with the old method). No debate whatsoever regarding risks, proportions money or whatever.
Quote from: Dirona on October 16, 2023, 11:17:09 AMI agree. If I were to be below 5 ft 6, I would not be on this forum. Either I would be dead or be done with LL(even with the old method). No debate whatsoever regarding risks, proportions money or whatever.
For dudes in the 5'4 - 5'6 range LL will absolutely change their lives and I believe give them the biggest benefit in terms of dating, respect from peers, general happiness w/ life, etc. all the challenges of being a man will have a huge boost. Guys above this range of course will benefit as well, but the taller / closer you are to average height really have to ask yourself if the cost to beneift in terms of financial, mental, and general difficulty of going through LL is really worth it. (may not be advisable unless all other aspects of life are dialed in such as facial attractivness, emotional health, financial stability, etc are in order to ensure that those aren't actually the real culprits) Of course everyone here has a form of body dysmorphia and we should not gatekeep in the sense that others are more deserving of LL than others. Everyone is equally deserving, but you have to really ask yourself if it is worth it due to the huge costs incurred and whether it is truly other aspects of your life that need to be improved first. A guy within and under 5'4 and 5'6, no matter how handsome, rich, socially adept, etc. he is, he will always face discrimination of his height and be seen as compensating for wanting to improve any aspect of his life (such as lifting weights and getting shredded, or showcasing a great fashion style) as we have seen ruthlessly online people take on short men. For those other features such as a great face, great style, great body to really shine I believe a man has to be taller than that range. This is all my personal opinion of course and should not be taken as fact
Very great posts in this thread. A good read for anyone considering LL.
I agree with palm_trees. Palm_trees, where is that image from? I'm trying to find the source but it's showing me google images, then some website girls ask guys, I've never heard of it.
This also correlates with the financial aspect. There is a huge benefit going up to 5 10, less benefit going up to 6'0", and hardly any benefit/no correlation after. HJ made a great video on this, everyone should watch it.
The inverse, wherein there's no benefit between going from 5'1" to 5'3" also makes sense. You're still comically short. Yes, comically short as harsh as that sounds because thats what society sees. I don't agree with how society treats short men, I'm short myself, but thats what it is. I won't sugarcoat the truth.
Quote from: ZUCC420 on October 04, 2020, 11:21:41 PMLL haunts you for the rest of your life
3-year-old post so it might be a long shot, but what do you mean by this?
Quote from: NailedLegs on October 16, 2023, 08:38:26 PM
The inverse, wherein there's no benefit between going from 5'1" to 5'3" also makes sense. You're still comically short. Yes, comically short as harsh as that sounds because thats what society sees. I don't agree with how society treats short men, I'm short myself, but thats what it is. I won't sugarcoat the truth.
Nah, the shorter you are the better the boost in your confidence, always you are not already, and sorry for this, a midget. Being 4'2 to 4'8 ft?that doesn't make any difference at all, but starting at 5 ft a couple cm would mean you are no longer shorter than every girl you see, but at least taller than a couple of them. Thats a huge impact in dudes who are in the shorter side of the spectrum, life saving for those whose shortness has caused a huge social anxiety. Of course if we talk about living the most "normal life" you can have, and not freaking out about LL and doing 12 cm at an absolute max, or 6 cm if is one segment, 5 ft its the minimum, under that you still in the midget spectrum i think
Quote from: NailedLegs on October 16, 2023, 08:38:26 PMVery great posts in this thread. A good read for anyone considering LL.
I agree with palm_trees. Palm_trees, where is that image from? I'm trying to find the source but it's showing me google images, then some website girls ask guys, I've never heard of it.
This also correlates with the financial aspect. There is a huge benefit going up to 5 10, less benefit going up to 6'0", and hardly any benefit/no correlation after. HJ made a great video on this, everyone should watch it.
The inverse, wherein there's no benefit between going from 5'1" to 5'3" also makes sense. You're still comically short. Yes, comically short as harsh as that sounds because thats what society sees. I don't agree with how society treats short men, I'm short myself, but thats what it is. I won't sugarcoat the truth.
Different benefits I guess. 5'5" to 5'8" or so would see the most benefits around dating and all around respect. Being 5'7" is already much better than 5'5" because you're now taller than some many girls. At 5'10" you're the average in most Western countries, you're taller than virtually every girl, you can now even claim you're 6' because most people are clueless.
At 5'1" or even shorter it's more about functionality. It will be easier to find clothes, to drive a car, to reach taller shelves. Also with double LL you can reach maybe 5'5" or so.
At 5'10" or above it's more about height neurosis. If you live in Northern Europe at 5'10" you will feel a bit short, although it isn't terrible. Still, it's undeniable that guys who are tall, around 6'2", get a lot of attention.
I'd say I don't see any reason somebody taller than 6'1" doing LL. At 6'4" or something you are insane if you're doing LL.
Quote from: palm_trees on October 16, 2023, 10:54:11 AMCheck out the chart on this study:
https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=573743071&hl=en&sxsrf=AM9HkKkO2J9g5yOiloFVotrHAkkioxR1XA:1697450179589&q=womens+acceptance+of+potential+male+partners+based+on+male+height&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwicuunXpvqBAxVJm4kEHUblCQQQ0pQJegQIDBAB&biw=1120&bih=628&dpr=3#imgrc=ownS8Rgg6rWCbM
Further analysis of their data demonstrates the importance of every inch of height for men, as two inches of height gain for a man can be found to have the following results:
- A man in the 5'4-5'6" range will have more than double the potential number of female partners with 2" height gain.
- A 5'4" man will have 2.3 times as many potential female partners by gaining 2" height.
- A 5'7" man will have 1.86 times as many potential female partners by gaining 2" height.
- Benefits become insignificant past 5'10".
- Below 5'1" a 2" height gain also makes an insignificant difference, as even after 2" gain, a man at this height is still "too short" for most women to consider.
Because the few women who are willing to date a shorter men are also generally willing to date a taller man as well, the competition for women willing to date shorter men becomes extremely high. This means:
- A 5' man must "beat" over 12 men (most of whom will be taller) to get a girl accepting of his height.
- A 5'4" man will have to "beat" over 7 other men (most of whom will be taller) to get a girl accepting of his height.
- 5'10 to 6'4" men have the least competition as the demand for these men outpaces their supply, and statistically overall women must compete for these men rather than vice versa.
These studies may also be self reported (meaning men often lie about their height giving them an extra inch), meaning 5’10 could very well be 5’9 (or rounded to 5’10 with shoes)
This is an interesting study. At 5’5.5”, wearing 1.5 inch lifts to put me at 5’7” made a huge difference in the way I was treated by women. They were much more receptive, i got more looks from women in bars and clubs, and I even got invited back to a table with multiple girls (never happened without the lifts). I think the jump from 5’5.5” to 5’7” is more than 2 times, I’d say it’s at least 3x more. Women in conversation were just much warmer towards me, like I can’t explain it exactly but I felt like I didn’t have to carry the conversation as much as when I was 5’5.5”, they would actually put in more effort to conversate.
If you live in a tall country, max 6'0 imo, maybe 6'1 if you really wanna be tall even in tall countries and want to stop worrying about height completely. From 6'2 it's completely unnecessary, you're in the ideal height range.
Quote from: palm_trees on October 16, 2023, 10:54:11 AMCheck out the chart on this study:
https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=573743071&hl=en&sxsrf=AM9HkKkO2J9g5yOiloFVotrHAkkioxR1XA:1697450179589&q=womens+acceptance+of+potential+male+partners+based+on+male+height&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwicuunXpvqBAxVJm4kEHUblCQQQ0pQJegQIDBAB&biw=1120&bih=628&dpr=3#imgrc=ownS8Rgg6rWCbM
Further analysis of their data demonstrates the importance of every inch of height for men, as two inches of height gain for a man can be found to have the following results:
- A man in the 5'4-5'6" range will have more than double the potential number of female partners with 2" height gain.
- A 5'4" man will have 2.3 times as many potential female partners by gaining 2" height.
- A 5'7" man will have 1.86 times as many potential female partners by gaining 2" height.
- Benefits become insignificant past 5'10".
- Below 5'1" a 2" height gain also makes an insignificant difference, as even after 2" gain, a man at this height is still "too short" for most women to consider.
Because the few women who are willing to date a shorter men are also generally willing to date a taller man as well, the competition for women willing to date shorter men becomes extremely high. This means:
- A 5' man must "beat" over 12 men (most of whom will be taller) to get a girl accepting of his height.
- A 5'4" man will have to "beat" over 7 other men (most of whom will be taller) to get a girl accepting of his height.
- 5'10 to 6'4" men have the least competition as the demand for these men outpaces their supply, and statistically overall women must compete for these men rather than vice versa.
These studies may also be self reported (meaning men often lie about their height giving them an extra inch), meaning 5’10 could very well be 5’9 (or rounded to 5’10 with shoes)
How much of a hodgepodge of various retarded thinking does this chart gotta be to tout being 6' you will have 100% acceptance from women lmfao? This chart for sure can't be taken seriously and tell me where do these data come from? A random guy's ass?
We all know being tall is advantageous but we need reasonable truth-telling instead of being deceived into distortions of reality and then believe muh tenfold acceptance being 6' or other bs.
If you have ever touched the grass being tall can't enable you to escape inceldom if u r also poor ugly fat etc., but yeah being tall can magnify the chances but it can never magnify them to be 100% as many socially retarded forumers here believe.
You have Chad looks, full hair, in shape. Go for 5 inches and you'll be ready for anything. Just know, that 2 LL procedures will mess with athletic capabilities, even just 1 will. You will need to keep that in mind. Have someone here do a mockup. stay within wingspan proportions. If you go above it, just don't overdo it...but most people won't notice.
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