Athletic Recovery - Tibias vs Femurs

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Quote from: Alittletooshort on February 11, 2016, 01:43:27 AMThere is a thread about atheltic recovery, a Dr.(Lee I believe) tracked the recovery of his tibia patients after a couple of year and the result was that only the people who lengthened below 5cm´s got their atletism back.
I actually got the impression that femur patients seem to recover better, this might be caused by the fact that most ppl leave the forum after the procedure and the tibial recovery just takes much longer. A Dr. who does LL for corrective purposes by using the percise nail told me that a 100% recovery after more than 2-3cm´s is impossible and that´s the reason why he woudln´t ever do this for cosmetic purposes.
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From the people here on the forum only Shyshy recovered really well (and proofed it), Vetpat also said that he regained all of his prior athletism. Most peole lack explosivness and the ability to perform quick movements after LL.

100% of athletic recovery or general recovery? Knowing anatomy, femoral lengthening should be much more serious since you are stretching the muscles that connect your knee to the femur but also your pelvic bones... You stretch much more muscle groups by lengthening the femurs... A thing that does not happen when lengthening the tibia.

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Athletic recovery, all the patients gained back their ability to walk normally again. The people who exeeded the 5cm mark only gained back 60-70% of their ability perform quick movements and sprints.

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Quote from: Alittletooshort on February 11, 2016, 01:47:54 AMHow tall are you?

I am 171 centimetres. Just above a flat 5'7.

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What Dr Lee had to say regarding athletic recovery with follow up of 100s of LL patients.

"I personally asked Dr. Lee what he thought about this (lengthening past 6 cm) and he has told me that from his experience in talking to former lengthening patients (2-3 years post recovery) those that only lengthened 5 cm recovered fully and their previous athleticism returned close to 100% to pre-LL levels. On the other hand, those who chose to lengthen between 6 and 7 centimeters recovered 100% in performing daily functions (walking, light jogging, etc), BUT only recovered about 60-70% of their pre-LL athleticism when engaging in serious sports/strenuous activities (full sprinting, jumping, basketball, rugby,etc..). Additionally, those that lengthened beyond 7 cm saw an ever greater decline in their previous athletic abilities.

In short, those who lengthen beyond 5 cm will not be able to recover all of their pre-LL athletic abilities because their muscles, nerves, tendons will be stretched well beyond their natural limits and will be permanently damaged. He used the rubber band analogy and Dr. Lee believes strongly in this. Once a rubber band (muscle) is stretched beyond its natural limit, even if its by only half a centimeter, then it will begin to tear and will forever lose its previous elasticity. The muscle's natural limit seems to be at 5 cm for many patients, though it can be higher or lower depending on the patient's initial tibia/femur length."

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Quote from: theuprising on February 11, 2016, 03:42:25 AMWhat Dr Lee had to say regarding athletic recovery with follow up of 100s of LL patients.

"I personally asked Dr. Lee what he thought about this (lengthening past 6 cm) and he has told me that from his experience in talking to former lengthening patients (2-3 years post recovery) those that only lengthened 5 cm recovered fully and their previous athleticism returned close to 100% to pre-LL levels. On the other hand, those who chose to lengthen between 6 and 7 centimeters recovered 100% in performing daily functions (walking, light jogging, etc), BUT only recovered about 60-70% of their pre-LL athleticism when engaging in serious sports/strenuous activities (full sprinting, jumping, basketball, rugby,etc..). Additionally, those that lengthened beyond 7 cm saw an ever greater decline in their previous athletic abilities.

In short, those who lengthen beyond 5 cm will not be able to recover all of their pre-LL athletic abilities because their muscles, nerves, tendons will be stretched well beyond their natural limits and will be permanently damaged. He used the rubber band analogy and Dr. Lee believes strongly in this. Once a rubber band (muscle) is stretched beyond its natural limit, even if its by only half a centimeter, then it will begin to tear and will forever lose its previous elasticity. The muscle's natural limit seems to be at 5 cm for many patients, though it can be higher or lower depending on the patient's initial tibia/femur length."

This should be the wake up call to those who want to do 15 cm...
@THeuprising: How did you contact him may I ask? I might consider him as my second option after Guichet.

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Quote was from Walk6 diary on old forum.

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The muscle will lose it's function if you stretch apart too much the miosin and actin filaments. That's why the rubber band analogy is correct. Only question is does the max safe distance between the two filaments is the same in a 170cm tall guy and a 165cm tall guy

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One thing I'm very curious to know is how much longer, exactly, do tibias take to heal compared to femurs? I'd also like to know if tibia consolidation time is a direct linear function of how much you lengthen (I was told by one doctor that it's not, and that tibias just straight up take pretty long, even if you lengthen a small amount like I want to). Dr. Paley said to me that he thinks I could be walking unaided from internal tibias after about 3-4 months (but I'm thinking more like 4 months) for 3cm - which is really all I want at this point.

Also, has it been proven if there's anything we can take that might speed up consolidation time? I'm curious to know if anyone has anecdotal evidence, even.

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Quote from: YellowSpike on February 11, 2016, 05:49:52 PMOne thing I'm very curious to know is how much longer, exactly, do tibias take to heal compared to femurs? I'd also like to know if tibia consolidation time is a direct linear function of how much you lengthen (I was told by one doctor that it's not, and that tibias just straight up take pretty long, even if you lengthen a small amount like I want to). Dr. Paley said to me that he thinks I could be walking unaided from internal tibias after about 3-4 months (but I'm thinking more like 4 months) for 3cm - which is really all I want at this point.

Also, has it been proven if there's anything we can take that might speed up consolidation time? I'm curious to know if anyone has anecdotal evidence, even.

internal for tibias? Bad bad

Yes usually tibia grows 25% slower than femur. You might expect to walk unaided > amount of cm. e.g. if you plan to lengthen 5cm, expect 5 to 6 months in frame/nails

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Quote from: texasbruce on February 11, 2016, 10:39:08 PMinternal for tibias? Bad bad

Yes usually tibia grows 25% slower than femur. You might expect to walk unaided > amount of cm. e.g. if you plan to lengthen 5cm, expect 5 to 6 months in frame/nails

Why do you say that? I've spoken to Paley, and he said internals for tibias are safe with the right doctors (and I trust Paley). Dr. Catagni also does internals (precice) for tibias. I think Catagni said I'd have to be in frames for like at least 4 months for 3cms. I might have misread his email, or he might have answered for 5-6cm. I just want 3cm more so I can be (a proportionate) 176 ish.