Quote from: FDR101 on January 16, 2018, 08:39:26 PMA suggestion: a lot of people need this for things like one limb being longer or one limb stopping growth, this may help funding as it’s not just short people wanting to be normal height etc.
Great suggestion. CLL stemmed from existing LL methods after all, needs then wants.
A few links are unreachble so you copy pasted it from who knows when...
Anyway, your essay basically say that short men (5'5 or 165cm and below) are the ones who suffer the most. Especially in the sexual marketplace, although 6'2 is preffered, still most women on all researches found men who are average and up as the most attractive.
What should be taken from your long essay is that if you are a male and are 5'7 or above, you should look into other problems in your looks or character as to why you have such a huge problem with getting women.
Dear FDR 101,
thank you very much for editing your posting. You can be sure, that we have good intentions and that we are a small, but serious group.
Here is the current status of our initiative: In 2008 we were in contact with several well-known biomedical researchers and finally three research groups (in the USA, Canada and Hong Kong) wrote an official research proposal for us. They said, that they may be interested to use their technology platform (e.g. tissue engineering) for the indication "bone lengthening and height increase", if we gave them the necessary funds. In 2012 we received another very interesting research project idea from a German researcher concerning a gene therapy approach for height increase. After we received the research proposals we have tried to find a funding source in order to start the proposed research projects. We have contacted several venture capital companies, but most of them were not interested in the indication "height increase" and for the remaining companies the research projects were at a too early stage. Most venture capital companies prefer later-stage-projects. Additionally venture capital companies want a business plan concerning a biotech start-up company. But the proposed research projects would be done at a university for probably another 2 or 3 years. After that time a biotech start-up company would be a realistic option. As venture capital companies were not interested we started to look for business angels, plastic surgery clinics and other wealthy (short statured) people, that may have an interest to fund innovative height increase research projects. We have been in contact with some so called investors during the last few years, who promissed, that they would have the necessary funds, but unfortunately they couldn´t fulfill their promisses (I still ask myself, what the motivation of these so called investors was). Unfortunately the researchers were very disappointed after we sent them several unserious investors and they have become sceptical concerning our initiative. So we have to be very careful concerning possible donators or investors in the future. Only if we find a donator or an investor, who can prove 100%, that he has the financial power to fund research projects, we will make a contact with the researchers again. I am not sure, if all the researchers are still interested in starting the proposed research projects, but I would have some ideas concerning other research groups, who may be interested in using their research platform for the indication "height increase research". So the main problem is still the funding source. If we find a funding source, we will surely find interested research groups ("old" and maybe new research groups). More than 10 years ago there were great ideas concerning a biomedical approach for height increase and now there could be even better ideas, as e.g. bone tissue engineering has made great progress since that time.
But we urgently need additional active supporters in order to succeeed in the foreseeable future. We are currently only four active "Biomedical Growth Research Initiative" (BGRI) - members, two from Germany, one from the Netherlands and one from Spain. Additional active members from anywhere in the world would be great. We have a standard contact letter, which you could use to contact business angels or other wealthy people in your home town / home country. So it is really very easy to help us. You only need some time and a little bit motivation to search for relevant contact addresses. We would really appreciate every support!
I still believe, that modern biomedical research has the potential to create a safe and effective height increase therapy with much more advantages compared to current limb lengthening surgery.
Thank you very much and best wishes
Harald
Can you tell me more about the approach the German researcher suggested with gene therapy?
And while biomedical technology has made great strides in the last decade, I can't see anything seriously replacing CLL for at least another 25~50 years. If anything, maybe the efforts should be towards funding safer technology for distraction osteogenesis and novel approaches to it. Still, as I mentioned before, I'm glad there are people concerned with trying to fund new research around the subject. Funding for scientific research can really struggle in our world if it's a niche topic.
I think that the biggest problem is that the majority of people would invest great sums of money only if they would sure that those projects will be realized immediately,or better in short term.Instead research often requires decades or more and even if it will be successful,at that time they will be too old and it would be useless for them
It is the harsh truth
People prefer to save funds for LL which actually is the only concrete and fast solution
Maybe it would be better asking to every short person to donate small ammounts(like 5€),take 100.000 of them and you have already raised 500.000€
In my opinion it would be very difficult to find big investitors
Here on forum we are 3790 members
Let's say 3000 excluding multiple and inactive accounts.
If any member of those 3000 would donate 100€,there will be raised 300.000€ which is a great sum
It is not difficult to donate 100€ considering that each member is considering to pay more than 10.000€ on average for LL
But there should be a system that ensure everyone of us has donated,a kind of social contract
It is not easy,but also not impossible
Dear myloginacct,
unfortunately I am not allowed to reveal further details about the research projects in the internet. I had to sign strict confidentiality agreements. But if you e-mail me and also sign a confidentiality agreement, I could tell you more.
Dear The Dreamer,
thank you very much for your idea. Unfortunately we are not allowed to reveal more concrete details to the general public. But donators would of course want to know concrete details before they would donate some money. So we can´t start a small donations project. Our only hope is currently in fact a business angel, a wealthy short statured individual or a venture capital fund with interest in early stage projects. We could forward the research proposals to these people, if they also sign a confidentiality agreement.
The proposed research projects would start with animal trials. If all goes well, human trials could start within 3-4 years after the start of the research project.
Best wishes
Harald
I'm tempted; I can't even imagine anything working after the growth plates have already closed, and we are still very far off from growing biocompatible legs in laboratories. The theoretical framework for the projects should be interesting.
Quote from: Harald Oberlaender on January 17, 2018, 05:23:00 PMDear The Dreamer,
thank you very much for your idea. Unfortunately we are not allowed to reveal more concrete details to the general public. But donators would of course want to know concrete details before they would donate some money. So we can´t start a small donations project. Our only hope is currently in fact a business angel, a wealthy short statured individual or a venture capital fund with interest in early stage projects. We could forward the research proposals to these people, if they also sign a confidentiality agreement.
Best wishes
Harald
Well then,sir Harald,I fear that you will have to wait a lot.There is a reason why from 2002 you didn't manage to achieve funds.It's not easy to find a rich short person willing to donate huge sums for a project that maybe will find an alternative to LL in an unknown future.
And I don't think small donators (for example 100€) would pretend to have huge ammounts of informations
However good luck
Hey Harald, first of all thank you for not giving up even after all these years. If you actually manage to succeed one day you will change humanity forever, so it’s a great task.
I believe that Dreamer is right here. Is there any way you could change your approach, so it targets smaller funding but from a bigger community?
Lets say you have a subsection on this forum or a reddit subsection where you can keep the community updated / explain the different projects and have an active discussion area.
I know from reading your posts that you’re not allowed to reveal much due to contracts you signed. However, finding a way around this to make it community driven would be a better solution than trying to find a few wealthy short stature guys or venture capitalists.
Once the community grows more people join in. As dreamer said 3-5000 people who donate 100€ on average is 300-500,000 €.
Also as I wrote in my previous post, I suggest you angle the whole project a bit different. Right now it seems that the project is only about making people taller. But a lot of medical patients right now are forced to use painfull and expensive lengthening methods which could be spared if growth could be reactivated. Better tissue engineering in general could lead us a lot of new places in the medical world, maybe fighting cancer too. This will probably sell better than simply “Grown men want a few more inches of height”
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