Concerning trend

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There's a concerning trend among users in this forum. You're so desperate to get taller that you ignore the negative and focus on the positive. Of course there are more or less positive outcomes in LL but there are people who die, people who won't walk again and people with life-long complications. You are so desperate to get taller that you ignore them but they exist and they orm a LARGE group. Beware.

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People are reluctant to admit that   happens because they think   won't happen to them that way. Human mind is so stupid.

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Quote from: amigos on May 20, 2018, 03:09:36 PMPeople are reluctant to admit that   happens because they think   won't happen to them that way. Human mind is so stupid.

You see this very often. They won't admit they can be the unlucky one until it happens. STUPID.

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Quote from: iwontallow on May 20, 2018, 02:50:20 PMThere's a concerning trend among users in this forum. You're so desperate to get taller that you ignore the negative and focus on the positive. Of course there are more or less positive outcomes in LL but there are people who die, people who won't walk again and people with life-long complications. You are so desperate to get taller that you ignore them but they exist and they orm a LARGE group. Beware.

Post evidence then. There have been 0 deaths/amputations from the top doctors.

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I was thinking, if it is a real trend, or just CLL coming into the scope of many people (mainly after internal, safer approach - precise - is available). However I don't think, and would never call anyone STUPID, because of being - overly - dedicated to this type of surgery, only would be necessary a psychological assessment before IMO to filter out unrealistic, not objective decisions. Usually when someone spares money (mainly for long-long) years, sacrifices private life, family temporarily and makes thoughts for long months, reads diaries, understands the possible consequences, plus before the operation (in an ideal case) there is a serious anatomical, physiological assessment of candidacy from the medical part. I'm an MD as well, and considering it in the near future and I can see quite objectives the cons and pros. It is still a matter of bilateral personal decision considering both sides are using their best mind (normally the doctor won't risks his 20+ years for 10-20k, but the patients side should be supported with psych in my opinion). Long story short I wouldn't think there is a trend, only with the technical advancements people realise, they could change a deeply consuming (otherwise a clear mind wouldn't consider an invasive operation as LL) psychological burden. I think the main aim of a forum like this should be to inform each other objectively, and give support, not to panic, or frighten anyone. There are already statistics of the relative- and absolute contraindications, plus %-chances of PE, nerve sheat inflexibility, direct nerve damage, superficial- or intramedullary infection, possible joint destruction (however this one seems quite rare if done correctly), anaesthesia-induced complications etc... People should measure all these, and make an objective decision, this forum is here to easy it out, or warn against. And one more thing: trying to filter people, who are present for some possible benefit from an emerging industry..

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Pathetic societal standards are to blame for every single complication anyone receives during their time getting the surgery. This is what everything stems from. This is what causes the people to take 2 years off of work and sitting in a chair in India getting their legs butchered because they cannot afford to go anywhere else.

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@johnson1111 Biological too, don't blame everything on societal standards, those didn't come from nowhere.

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Indeed. From the technical aspect the surgery itself isn't a complicated one (not only because broken femur surgery -even if it is usually unilateral - is not very uncommon), the hard part comes after that, when your own biological response capacity comes into play (with a meticulous rehab, and close following from the doctors side of course paying attention not to "overshoot" in any aspect). If the doctor has done a lot of limb lengthening (not CLL, as they are far the minority for all doctors, maybe except from Paley recently) intervention before, and you follow a conservative (not overdone) approach, your own body is the key for optimal timed healing. You can and should stop, if your body gives signs for a long period (temporary pain is part of the game). According to this, everyone undergoing this type of surgery has to have a stamina plus a good understanding of his/hers own body.

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Quote from: ZUCC420 on May 20, 2018, 04:53:25 PM@johnson1111 Biological too, don't blame everything on societal standards, those didn't come from nowhere.

Society reinforces them despite the fact that they're outdated. There are alot of biological things people think that society tries to reprogram peoples minds against. Height and stature is a last priority despite impacting a larger number of people.

I'm not begging and pleading for society to suddenly change i'm just calling a spade a spade.

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Ok, I misinterpreted your conversation, the origins are there, and are far deeper, than societal drive. This is the reason, why psychology alone is usually not effective (depending on each case).