Confusion/annoyance at some of the attitudes here

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How tall are you today, 0live?

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Most of this can be explained by human nature imo, we're hardwired to be constantly innovating and pushing the boundaries.

You can see it on this forum. The majority of the time people are trying to get to that "next level". Those who are on the lower end of "normal" (around 5'4-5'6) want to get to the lower end of average (5'7-5'9), those who are 5'1-5'3 are trying to get to the "normal" range (5'4-5'6) and then you have those who are at the lower end of average who want to end up above average.

Your desire to have 2 healthy legs is much more understandable but I believe that it's the same bioligical function that is driving those on here who are also somewhat dissatisfied with their bodies.

A lot of innovation starts off focused on a small area and expands until it is available for the masses. From the computers that used to take up an entire room, to IBM's business focused computing, to the personal computer (originally available to the middle class upwards in developed nations and the rich in developing nations) to almost anyone in the world having access to an extremely powerful computer in their pocket.

CLL is just another extension of this. Likely this procedure will become very popular and as more money is driving into the industry it will improve the speed innovation and the costs will come down. This will then benefit those who were born with defects, in horrible accidents etc. and can also help the average person feel better about themselves.

I would try to think about it like that, this is a good thing for all. It's easy to understand why this would frustrate you but the same frustration is likely felt by someone who is born 5'1 when they see someone get some other type of cosmetic procedure. Imagine seeing a Tom Brady get something done to himself - 6'4, top level athlete, good looking and smart - but he (or someone else like him) wants to improve himself and his life just like anyone else.

For somebody who thinks this will significantly improve their quality of life/happiness, if they can afford it and they think the technology has reached a point where the risks are worth it - they should strongly consider it and not feel bad about doing so.

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Quote from: Batu on May 03, 2020, 04:12:34 AMMost of this can be explained by human nature imo, we're hardwired to be constantly innovating and pushing the boundaries.

You can see it on this forum. The majority of the time people are trying to get to that "next level". Those who are on the lower end of "normal" (around 5'4-5'6) want to get to the lower end of average (5'7-5'9), those who are 5'1-5'3 are trying to get to the "normal" range (5'4-5'6) and then you have those who are at the lower end of average who want to end up above average.

Your desire to have 2 healthy legs is much more understandable but I believe that it's the same bioligical function that is driving those on here who are also somewhat dissatisfied with their bodies.

A lot of innovation starts off focused on a small area and expands until it is available for the masses. From the computers that used to take up an entire room, to IBM's business focused computing, to the personal computer (originally available to the middle class upwards in developed nations and the rich in developing nations) to almost anyone in the world having access to an extremely powerful computer in their pocket.

CLL is just another extension of this. Likely this procedure will become very popular and as more money is driving into the industry it will improve the speed innovation and the costs will come down. This will then benefit those who were born with defects, in horrible accidents etc. and can also help the average person feel better about themselves.

I would try to think about it like that, this is a good thing for all. It's easy to understand why this would frustrate you but the same frustration is likely felt by someone who is born 5'1 when they see someone get some other type of cosmetic procedure. Imagine seeing a Tom Brady get something done to himself - 6'4, top level athlete, good looking and smart - but he (or someone else like him) wants to improve himself and his life just like anyone else.

For somebody who thinks this will significantly improve their quality of life/happiness, if they can afford it and they think the technology has reached a point where the risks are worth it - they should strongly consider it and not feel bad about doing so.

I agree. I’m a far cry from Tom Brady but I have received ridicule for wanting this surgery. I find it interesting. It’s almost as if shorter guys wanna dissuade people from doing this surgery so that they can decrease the height deviation. I understand the premise, but it seems unfair judge someone for wanting CLL, especially when height is subjective. 5’10 might seem tall to the people on this forum but I feel like a proper midget(pardon my language) around my friends and family. Especially my little brother who I grew up giving knuckle sandwiches to and destroying in basketball. He’s now a towering 6’1 at 17 and probably still growing. My biggest reason for wanting the surgery is to gain an athletic advantage. Although I can’t ignore the added appeal of the social benefits of being taller, but my driving reason isn’t to become a better amateur athlete haha. I know many people believe that my athleticism will diminish but I think it’s hogwash. As long as I am diligent in my post op pt I will not only regain but potentially surpass my pre op athleticism. Shooting for 10-12 cms in the femurs. Call me crazy but I would rather get it done in one surgery than two haha. 7 more weeks until surgery if this pandemic can relax a bit.

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Why not shoot for 15cm on the femurs while you at it? Sorry to say but people like you are never gonna be satisfied/happy in life.

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I honestly probably could manage it, seeing as I’m 1 inch above average in my country (USA). But 10-12 cm would put me at the perfect male athletic height. I genuinely wouldn’t want to be any taller

There’s nothing wrong with wanting to improve your appearance. Just because u were born short doesn’t give u the right to dictate who goes through with this surgery lmao. U goofballs make me laugh sometimes. I’m doing the surgery whether u guys like it or not

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Its your body, you can do whatever you want. But consider this, STRYDE the most advanced deceived in LL goes up to a maximum of 8 cm, and that only occurs for femur. Plus the decades of research and cumulative experience telling you about safe limits. But if you wanna gamble your health and think you'll be an outlier, go ahead. Just don't cry when things don't work out.

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Quote from: hoopdreams on May 03, 2020, 05:10:49 AMI agree. I’m a far cry from Tom Brady but I have received ridicule for wanting this surgery. I find it interesting. It’s almost as if shorter guys wanna dissuade people from doing this surgery so that they can decrease the height deviation. I understand the premise, but it seems unfair judge someone for wanting CLL, especially when height is subjective. 5’10 might seem tall to the people on this forum but I feel like a proper midget(pardon my language) around my friends and family. Especially my little brother who I grew up giving knuckle sandwiches to and destroying in basketball. He’s now a towering 6’1 at 17 and probably still growing. My biggest reason for wanting the surgery is to gain an athletic advantage. Although I can’t ignore the added appeal of the social benefits of being taller, but my driving reason isn’t to become a better amateur athlete haha. I know many people believe that my athleticism will diminish but I think it’s hogwash. As long as I am diligent in my post op pt I will not only regain but potentially surpass my pre op athleticism. Shooting for 10-12 cms in the femurs. Call me crazy but I would rather get it done in one surgery than two haha. 7 more weeks until surgery if this pandemic can relax a bit.

Your feelings of inadequacy because of your family are understandable and human. After all, our family and friends are the ones we feel connected with and we shape our identity by comparing ourselves to them! However, if you want do to LL to get better athletically I have to disappoint you. Lengthening 10 or even 5 cm is going to damage your athletic capabities and potential for the rest of your life, there's just no denying that. If you go to a top doctor, you can reasonable expect to recover well and live life just as before (albeit with the potential of minor aches and pains that also come with aging). You will never be as good in athletics as you could've been before. There's just no way to deny it. If you come out of it with the athletic potential of the normal, average person, you can consider yourself very lucky.

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Quote from: Montreal172 on May 03, 2020, 08:55:23 AMIts your body, you can do whatever you want. But consider this, STRYDE the most advanced deceived in LL goes up to a maximum of 8 cm, and that only occurs for femur. Plus the decades of research and cumulative experience telling you about safe limits. But if you wanna gamble your health and think you'll be an outlier, go ahead. Just don't cry when things don't work out.

Drs. Recommend 8cm max because that is the upper safe limit for the average cosmetic LL candidate. This pool of people includes middle aged men and women that are more than likely out of shape. At 26 I am still relatively young, healthy and athletic. I plan to take my girlfriend with me, so I will have a social support system through the ordeal. I’ve been looking into this surgery for 1.5years now and have seen far too many cases of men (and women) lengthening beyond the recommended limit. Sure it doesn’t happen in 1st world developed countries like US and Germany, but I’ve seen it done elsewhere and I’m sure I can have the same outcome. There’s something intrinsically human about pushing boundaries. People thought it was impossible to run a mile in under 4 minutes until someone did it, then subsequently a bunch of people started doing it. Never underestimate the human body and it’s ability to adapt and regenerate. Anyway, I certainly won’t be crying after I get my height. I will be working my ass off to ensure I enjoy my height to the fullest capacity. And if that means training in the gym 5 days a week 2x a day then so be it!

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Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on May 03, 2020, 12:32:54 PMYour feelings of inadequacy because of your family are understandable and human. After all, our family and friends are the ones we feel connected with and we shape our identity by comparing ourselves to them! However, if you want do to LL to get better athletically I have to disappoint you. Lengthening 10 or even 5 cm is going to damage your athletic capabities and potential for the rest of your life, there's just no denying that. If you go to a top doctor, you can reasonable expect to recover well and live life just as before (albeit with the potential of minor aches and pains that also come with aging). You will never be as good in athletics as you could've been before. There's just no way to deny it. If you come out of it with the athletic potential of the normal, average person, you can consider yourself very lucky.

I appreciate you understanding where I’m coming from, but I have to emphatically disagree with u about permanently losing my athletic ability. Especially in the case of femoral lengthening, it really is as simple as building your muscles and soft tissue back up to pre op strength. Our bodies do an excellent job of regenerating new soft tisssue. It will take time but it will happen with. Once the new soft tissue grows in u simply have to train and strengthen it. Your new bone will allow rigorous weight training so why not take advantage of it? After full consolidation of course. After that it’s a simple matter of adapting to your new biomechanics and regaining your agility, and just like that u are back to pre op athleticism. I don’t want to oversimplify it because it will obviously be an ordeal, but this notion that it is impossible to get back to pre op athleticism is completely ridiculous and needs to be put to rest. If one has the mental fortitude to train then regaining his athleticism will just be the natural progression of things. People that did not go back to 100% simply did not work hard enough to get healthy. As a lifelong athlete I would never let myself waste away like that. I’m also considering running an anabolic steroid cycle or two during consolidation to help with speeding up and optimizing recovery. Just my two cents.

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Quote from: ghkid2019 on May 02, 2020, 05:51:11 AMAs a personal anecdote, I also completely dismissed of LL for my short stature- until I discovered Stryde, an internal nail that allows full leg weight bearing as soon as 3 weeks post surgery. I would never consider externals. I think as time passes and the technology improves for recovery, I think more and more people will take a serious look at CLL as an option, rather than acceptance. Im only one case though, tons of people would still be willing to use externals and more difficult methods to LL.

Also I haven't done LL either so I don't know if I would own up to my words when the time comes haha.

I think the main reason why people go through this risky procedure, is because the benefits are worth more to them than the risks. They probably feel so sad with their height that the collective pain of a lifetimes worth of being short is much greater than the short term pain and complications(maybe long term sometimes) of LL.

They will take that gamble of betting their legs on the line

I mean in all fairness I also don't know much about the internal fixators. It's not an option for children I believe since their bones are too narrow.

I also am fortunate enough that I've managed to get over most of my unhappiness with my appearance after years of learning to ignore people and having to adopt an I don't care attitude so can't relate too much to being that level of unhappy with your height. If you do decide to go through with it I hope it works out (although adding lifts onto the bottom of your shoe definitely seems easier).