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Does anyone have tips for using a walker during Precise 2 lengthening? I worry that I will accidentally break the nails.

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Quote from: sportiveshort on March 21, 2021, 01:22:39 AMYou are joking right?.
I am 5'7 and 150 was my prime. I was full of muscles doing deadlifts of 140kg.
When I am boxing and doing lots of cardio I am more in my range which is 140-145.
Over 150 is actually obeses and outside ranges.
Maybe I am getting the conversions wrong but 150 is 68kg, which is ideal weight. 70kg is very muscular. Anything over that people were either fat or very muscular.

I was almost 1.69 and 75kg before LL with more than 40cm arms and about 14% bodyfat.
Now I am about 1.76 with 92kg and about 17% bodyfat and 47cm arms.
Of course I am not very fit right now but before LL I was.
So the majority of men are not under 68kg even if they are 1.65. And they are not fat, they are normal.
Being skinny as a man is maybe even worse than being short.

Quote from: BelowTheMean on March 21, 2021, 04:34:48 AMITT: Short ectomorphs and short endomorphs arguing about what a "normal" weight is.

I was always a mesomorph. Only ectomorphs can be so skinny (less than 68kg).
Maybe you are one, I don't know.

Quote from: silverlining on March 21, 2021, 03:35:06 PMDoes anyone have tips for using a walker during Precise 2 lengthening? I worry that I will accidentally break the nails.

Yes. The best you can do is stop using a walker till 2 months after consolidation phase.
Otherwise you risk nailbreaking-bending and no tip will chanhe it.

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Quote from: BelowTheMean on March 20, 2021, 11:24:21 PMMy stats are in my sig.
Franco Columbu was 185 pounds at 5'5" and I don't think anyone would call him fat.
I don't see how guys could be under 150 pounds without being just skin and bones. Muscle is heavy. I'm picturing Captain America before he got the super serum.

That's because he has a lot of muscle, muscle weighs more than weight. I was going by the general LL candidate who isn't muscular. From most of the pictures I have seen from diaries, most people don't look like they work out.

Quote from: Body Builder on March 21, 2021, 12:23:17 AMUnless you are a skinny short man, 150lb are a joke for a man.
Even a normal 5.5ft guy should be at least 160lb with a few muscles on him.
I was less than 5.7 and I never was less than 165 lb from 18yo and till my LL.
Less than 150lb is normal for a girl, not a man, even a short one.

This is the dumbest   I have read. You have no clue what you are talking about. Muscle plays a role but most people who are doing LL aren't jacked, that's clear from all the diaries, neither is the average person. 150 pounds at 5'5 wouldn't make you skinny, if you knew what BMI was you, would know that.

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Quote from: SPhantom on March 21, 2021, 06:04:44 PMThat's because he has a lot of muscle, muscle weighs more than weight. I was going by the general LL candidate who isn't muscular. From most of the pictures I have seen from diaries, most people don't look like they work out.

Idk, I've read a lot of diaries on here and I think most of the guys here work out. I mean if someone is considering LL, they've probably already tried everything else they can to improve their looks, social status, etc. You don't just go permanently altering your body for a few centimeters in height without trying a few other things first. I think working out and reaching your personal peak physical shape is one of the things that most guys do first when they are trying to improve themselves.

Quote from: Body Builder on March 21, 2021, 04:55:04 PMI was always a mesomorph. Only ectomorphs can be so skinny (less than 68kg).
Maybe you are one, I don't know.

I'm 75kg and 13% body fat right now at 177cm. My legs are skinny too given that I just finished lengthening. I will shoot to 80kg+ quickly once I start going to the gym again.

With all this talk of guys who think they can weight bear with Precice, all I can think of is what Captain America looked like before he got the super serum. Now that's a short guy under 150 lbs for sure lol.

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Quote from: SPhantom on March 21, 2021, 06:04:44 PMThat's because he has a lot of muscle, muscle weighs more than weight. I was going by the general LL candidate who isn't muscular. From most of the pictures I have seen from diaries, most people don't look like they work out.
This is the dumbest   I have read. You have no clue what you are talking about. Muscle plays a role but most people who are doing LL aren't jacked, that's clear from all the diaries, neither is the average person. 150 pounds at 5'5 wouldn't make you skinny, if you knew what BMI was you, would know that.

It is plain stupidity to have never worked out, be skinny or simply without any muscles and do something so massive like LL to become better looking because in the end the result will be a skinny or unfit guy just 6-7cm taller who will still look bad.


If some of you are 60-65kg then before LL you should really try to build some muscles and have a normal weight for a man because maybe you'll feel better with yourself.
Otherwise, do all these at least after LL.
A scrawny guy will still look like   even with 6-7cm more.

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Quote from: BelowTheMean on March 21, 2021, 06:43:54 PMIdk, I've read a lot of diaries on here and I think most of the guys here work out. I mean if someone is considering LL, they've probably already tried everything else they can to improve their looks, social status, etc. You don't just go permanently altering your body for a few centimeters in height without trying a few other things first. I think working out and reaching your personal peak physical shape is one of the things that most guys do first when they are trying to improve themselves.

Unfortunately, I don't think this is the case.  Plenty of people are looking for something to blame (their height) and a quick fix.

LL should really be well down the list of things you try to improve yourself.

Quote from: silverlining on March 21, 2021, 03:35:06 PMDoes anyone have tips for using a walker during Precise 2 lengthening? I worry that I will accidentally break the nails.

Always distribute your weight amongst both feet. This means you cannot walk even with the walker, because then you're putting your weight on one foot -- you have to hop.  Both feet, no feet, both feet, no feet.

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I am 59kg. I can walk easily on crutches and sometimes a few steps crutchless too. I am on 12.5mm precise.

Every doctor and person must agree that it is the muscles and soft tissues that become a limit while lengthening. So, if the goal is to lengthen a bit more, one could lose a bit of muscles pre LL.

I used to be 72kg preLL. LOST IT ONLY TO LENGTHEN MORE, specially coz I have already lengthened before.

Also you can anyway gain back the muscle over time with workout


On the contrary the worst thing you can do is preLL is body build Lol. you'd be the short stubby man with already short looking arms coz they are fat/bulky. Like a miniature johnnny bravo lol, i'd rather be the caption america pre evolution that eay lol.

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I looked the worst when I was 70k, like... chubby, my body felt heavy, but I guess that was just me, and a quick look into a BMI chart gives me reason.
But hey, we all have different bodies, some people have heavier bones (yes, that is actually true), heavier frames, and it is not great to say.. just because you weight less than 150 you are skinny/look bad.

As for me, I am waiting on Stryde as I value my mobility, and don't have the money yet. I will have enough early next year, and that is when I plan to do it.
However, if the option is not there, I will have to consider doing Precice.

Good tip about loosing weight before LL if I decide to go with Precice.
And now, thinking about it, it's crazy that you are doing it twice now. Good luck on your trip!

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Quote from: Body Builder on March 21, 2021, 04:55:04 PMI was almost 1.69 and 75kg before LL with more than 40cm arms and about 14% bodyfat.
Now I am about 1.76 with 92kg and about 17% bodyfat and 47cm arms.
Of course I am not very fit right now but before LL I was.
So the majority of men are not under 68kg even if they are 1.65. And they are not fat, they are normal.
Being skinny as a man is maybe even worse than being short.

Quote from: Body Builder on March 21, 2021, 12:23:17 AMUnless you are a skinny short man, 150lb are a joke for a man.
Even a normal 5.5ft guy should be at least 160lb with a few muscles on him.
I was less than 5.7 and I never was less than 165 lb from 18yo and till my LL.
Less than 150lb is normal for a girl, not a man, even a short one.

guys don't listen to this, please. This is ignorant and biased.
First of all, Muscles have nothing to do with height. Height is a different thing. There are males who feel insecure because they have no muscles -> solution = work out. If you feel insecure bc of height -> solution = LL or wearing lifts.
Not everyone likes muscles aesthetically, and I am not addressing the homosxxual community here. I think being bulked up looks terrible but this is just my personal view, I respect people that view it differently and want to bulk up to feel better. It's their choice and they see it through their eyes. However, I am not stating that it looks objectively bad.
LL is for height and being skinny and lean helps giving a "longer" look so I don't even see the fking point here. Correct me if I am wrong but I don't see this as a dumb "incel" teenage rant forum where people just want to bE mOrE aTtRaCtIvE fOr WoMeN...

and 150lbs or lower for a short male is healthy and normal. you see it through a bubble of people who work(ed) out.

Quote from: Body Builder on March 21, 2021, 07:49:02 PMIt is plain stupidity to have never worked out, be skinny or simply without any muscles and do something so massive like LL to become better looking because in the end the result will be a skinny or unfit guy just 6-7cm taller who will still look bad.
If some of you are 60-65kg then before LL you should really try to build some muscles and have a normal weight for a man because maybe you'll feel better with yourself.

You are literally a bodybuilder that's why you weight the same number as a fat guy. It's a fact that if you hit the gym you will gain weight quickly through muscles. If you want to talk about the muscle game and all that then rather go to a bodybuilding website or something like that. LL (for me at least) is about height (not size) and height means one-dimensional length of limbs/legs/body, not muscle mass.


Other than that, you guys shouldn't explicitly take BMI as the holy formula since it is kinda outdated bc it doesn't take visceral fat, muscles, stature phenotype (ecto, meso, endo), etc. etc. into account. Usually, people have a weight where they are healthy for themselves and this can vary. A medical checkup should determine if you are at a healthy weight for yourself.

I for example know a lot of people who are 60-70kg that are average height and average body. From my experience that would be the average body stats. About 5'11 or 6 feet tall and maybe 150lbs. That's where you are average height, average weight. Not thin not fat. (Maybe in other countries this is different).
I know one 5'8 dude who is 80kg and he deffo is chubby. Another friend is 6'5 weighing 65kg and he looks great (thin, young, healthy and tall).
Of course, you can now say being chubby looks so much better but this is just a personal view (in medieval times being obese was a beauty trait now it's being anorexic).

Also IMO I'd rather be skinny and average than tall and fat.

Quote from: sportiveshort on March 21, 2021, 10:46:48 PMI looked the worst when I was 70k, like... chubby, my body felt heavy, but I guess that was just me, and a quick look into a BMI chart gives me reason.
But hey, we all have different bodies, some people have heavier bones (yes, that is actually true), heavier frames, and it is not great to say.. just because you weight less than 150 you are skinny/look bad.

Of course not. I think this is reasonable but I doubt "heavier bones" really exist. But you can have different statures etc (not only height but you know... phenotypes and metabolism).


Quote from: FormerKidd on March 21, 2021, 07:52:52 PMUnfortunately, I don't think this is the case.  Plenty of people are looking for something to blame (their height) and a quick fix.

Most people that go through with LL are mature enough to understand the reality of it. It never is a quick fix and most people I see who really do it are happy with everything BUT their height. Which is the ideal scenario.
I haven't done it yet but I as an example do not blame physical traits for anything. I love my body and appearance in general except for my height, obviously, else I wouldn't be here lol.


Quote from: fivetenneeded2016 on March 21, 2021, 09:53:12 PMOn the contrary the worst thing you can do is preLL is body build Lol. you'd be the short stubby man with already short looking arms coz they are fat/bulky. Like a miniature johnnny bravo lol, i'd rather be the caption america pre evolution that eay lol.

Don't say that, some may find these aesthetics appealing. I personally agree but I wouldn't say it's a "bad thing" for everyone. However, some argued that having more muscles in your legs make it harder to stretch, if this is the case, you probably should avoid bodybuilding (your legs at least) preLL.

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Quote from: RealLostSoul on March 21, 2021, 11:46:16 PMguys don't listen to this, please. This is ignorant and biased.
First of all, Muscles have nothing to do with height. Height is a different thing. There are males who feel insecure because they have no muscles -> solution = work out. If you feel insecure bc of height -> solution = LL or wearing lifts.
Not everyone likes muscles aesthetically, and I am not addressing the homosxxual community here. I think being bulked up looks terrible but this is just my personal view, I respect people that view it differently and want to bulk up to feel better. It's their choice and they see it through their eyes. However, I am not stating that it looks objectively bad.
LL is for height and being skinny and lean helps giving a "longer" look so I don't even see the fking point here. Correct me if I am wrong but I don't see this as a dumb "incel" teenage rant forum where people just want to bE mOrE aTtRaCtIvE fOr WoMeN...

Nice strawman argument. Why is it incel to want to look more attractive to those who you are attracted to? That's a perfectly valid reason to get limb lengthening and for many guys on here (myself included) it's one of the main reasons. You can try and shame us, but we are short (and ex-short) guys who are used to it so your words have no power over us. Even if you can already get a ton of girls, you'll still have access to even more girls and better quality ones if you grow taller.

In fact I've been on this forum and the old one for over seven years and I've read a large number of journals; I can tell you for a fact that there are quite a few guys doing to this be more attractive to the opposite sxx and there's nothing wrong with that. Many of the guys who have gotten the procedure done also work out, because having a better body is also something that's more attractive in general. The majority of attractive girls like built guys. Maybe you don't like conventionally attractive girls so you don't need to have muscles, but most guys want to be attractive in all aspects and not just tall and skinny.

One of the multimillionaire LL vets on here once said (paraphrased) if you have a lot of money the girl will be attracted to the money, but if you spend it on LL you're increasing the likelihood that she'll be attracted to you. I believe the same concept applies to muscles (in that muscles are part of the definition of you) and you don't even need to spend money to build muscles.

Quote from: RealLostSoul on March 21, 2021, 11:46:16 PMI for example know a lot of people who are 60-70kg that are average height and average body. From my experience that would be the average body stats. About 5'11 or 6 feet tall and maybe 150lbs. That's where you are average height, average weight. Not thin not fat. (Maybe in other countries this is different).
I know one 5'8 dude who is 80kg and he deffo is chubby. Another friend is 6'5 weighing 65kg and he looks great (thin, young, healthy and tall).
Of course, you can now say being chubby looks so much better but this is just a personal view (in medieval times being obese was a beauty trait now it's being anorexic).

Also IMO I'd rather be skinny and average than tall and fat.

Yeah, and I know a lot of heavy short guys in good shape too. I have a friend who is an amateur MMA fighter (accountant by day). He's 5'7" with a 5'11" wingspan and he weights 180 pounds. He looks a little bulky, but I've seen him take down taller guys on many occasions before. The shortest friend I have is about 5'4" and he's an amateur bodybuilder (financial analyst by day) and he weighs almost 170 lbs I'm sure. He can bench press a pair of 125 lb dumbbells 15 times. The guy is an absolute beast and has over 15K instagram followers. He can also do a ton of muscle-ups, so he's not heavy at all given his level of strength.

Your 195cm friend probably couldn't beat either of my short friends in a fight because 65kg at that height is literally just skin and bones. The average 195cm athlete is over 110kg.

Also, who in the world wants to be average anyway? Average guys get below average girls, attractive guys get average girls, top of the line guys get attractive girls. Given your two choices, I (and most smart guys) would rather be tall and fat than skinny and average, because then I could just spend a year turning myself into tall and ripped and then have no more complaints about my body ever again.