Does Precice require a wheelchair?

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Posted on Mar 24, 2021, 1:04 am

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Quote from: BelowTheMean on March 24, 2021, 12:47:29 AMI have the exact opposite viewpoint as you. If you already have a wife or someone that you plan on staying together with permanently, then why suffer through LL? It's not like they were opposed to your original height to the point where they wouldn't be with you. You could spend the time and money doing something that's actually enjoyable. Surely you must have other meaningful goals in your life. I always write off LL when I'm in a relationship and the only reason I got around to doing LL is because I was single during the pandemic.

In dating the more picky you are the more you need every edge you can get, especially online dating. A few inches makes a huge difference and anyone who says otherwise is lying. All of the anecdotal historical experience on here points to a solid improvement in dating as a taller guy. Besides, if it wasn't important who in the world would spend almost $100K getting taller? The people of the forum are voting that it's important with their wallets.

Very well said.
I was thinking a lot about a second LL for the last years but after I found someone that I really think that she is ideal to be my future woman I almost forgot about a new LL because I can't find where exactly it would help me except from attracting other women easier to find the one I think as the ideal for me.
I prefer to not risk my legs further and to spend that amount of money to a better house or a new car or some trips with my girl.

I truly believe that LL is significant most of all to be more attractive to women.
Otherwise, unless you are very short (less than 1.65) things are not so hard everywhere else. Of course height helps everywhere but most of all it helps with women where a short man is almost doomed.
Even an average man can have some benefits with women if he adds 2-3 inches with LL while he won't have any benefit anywhere else in his life.

So V21 I can't understand why you underestimate height that much although you did LL even though you had a very good looming gf. I think that anyone like us who did something so hard like LL really understand how that added height could help us improve our lives otherwise I can't understand why you did it.
Personally, that 3 inches I added changed my life much and I am a different person right now, a person that for sure my 1.68 self would have never been.

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Quote from: BelowTheMean on March 24, 2021, 12:47:29 AMI have the exact opposite viewpoint as you. If you already have a wife or someone that you plan on staying together with permanently, then why suffer through LL? It's not like they were opposed to your original height to the point where they wouldn't be with you. You could spend the time and money doing something that's actually enjoyable. Surely you must have other meaningful goals in your life. I always write off LL when I'm in a relationship and the only reason I got around to doing LL is because I was single during the pandemic.

In dating the more picky you are the more you need every edge you can get, especially online dating. A few inches makes a huge difference and anyone who says otherwise is lying. All of the anecdotal historical experience on here points to a solid improvement in dating as a taller guy. Besides, if it wasn't important who in the world would spend almost $100K getting taller? The people of the forum are voting that it's important with their wallets.

Very well said.
I was thinking a lot about a second LL for the last years but after I found someone that I really think that she is ideal to be my future woman I almost forgot about a new LL because I can't find where exactly it would help me except from attracting other women easier to find the one I think as the ideal for me.
I prefer to not risk my legs further and to spend that amount of money to a better house or a new car or some trips with my girl.

I truly believe that LL is significant most of all to be more attractive to women.
Otherwise, unless you are very short (less than 1.65) things are not so hard everywhere else. Of course height helps everywhere but most of all it helps with women where a short man is almost doomed.
Even an average man can have some benefits with women if he adds 2-3 inches with LL while he won't have any benefit anywhere else in his life.

So V21 I can't understand why you underestimate height that much although you did LL even though you had a very good looming gf. I think that anyone like us who did something so hard like LL really understand how that added height could help us improve our lives otherwise I can't understand why you did it.
Personally, that 3 inches I added changed my life much and I am a different person right now, a person that for sure my 1.68 self would have never been.

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Posted on Mar 24, 2021, 6:51 am

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Hey bodybuilder, I'm around your height pre-lengthening (170cm). Did adding 8cm change your life drastically?

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Posted on Mar 24, 2021, 8:37 am

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Quote from: BelowTheMean on March 24, 2021, 12:47:29 AMI have the exact opposite viewpoint as you. If you already have a wife or someone that you plan on staying together with permanently, then why suffer through LL? It's not like they were opposed to your original height to the point where they wouldn't be with you. You could spend the time and money doing something that's actually enjoyable. Surely you must have other meaningful goals in your life. I always write off LL when I'm in a relationship and the only reason I got around to doing LL is because I was single during the pandemic.

In dating the more picky you are the more you need every edge you can get, especially online dating. A few inches makes a huge difference and anyone who says otherwise is lying. All of the anecdotal historical experience on here points to a solid improvement in dating as a taller guy. Besides, if it wasn't important who in the world would spend almost $100K getting taller? The people of the forum are voting that it's important with their wallets.

Because I do it for mental health and in order to feel better with myself. I have severe height dysphoria (even I'm not "short"), and I'm tired of living with feelings of failure. I want to look at myself and feel great, and that is worth even doing Precice. So, I couldn't care less about what women or others think about it, I care about what I feel about it. However, I respect your reasons, everyone who is willing to do this has a big set of balls lol, and you had a tough journey with the damn nerve pain. It's just hard for me to understand having this hell for women. Anyway, I'm glad you were succesful dude, 8 cm is a crazy difference

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Quote from: BelowTheMean on March 24, 2021, 12:47:29 AMI have the exact opposite viewpoint as you. If you already have a wife or someone that you plan on staying together with permanently, then why suffer through LL? It's not like they were opposed to your original height to the point where they wouldn't be with you. You could spend the time and money doing something that's actually enjoyable. Surely you must have other meaningful goals in your life. I always write off LL when I'm in a relationship and the only reason I got around to doing LL is because I was single during the pandemic.

In dating the more picky you are the more you need every edge you can get, especially online dating. A few inches makes a huge difference and anyone who says otherwise is lying. All of the anecdotal historical experience on here points to a solid improvement in dating as a taller guy. Besides, if it wasn't important who in the world would spend almost $100K getting taller? The people of the forum are voting that it's important with their wallets.

Because I do it for mental health and in order to feel better with myself. I have severe height dysphoria (even I'm not "short"), and I'm tired of living with feelings of failure. I want to look at myself and feel great, and that is worth even doing Precice. So, I couldn't care less about what women or others think about it, I care about what I feel about it. However, I respect your reasons, everyone who is willing to do this has a big set of balls lol, and you had a tough journey with the damn nerve pain. It's just hard for me to understand having this hell for women. Anyway, I'm glad you were succesful dude, 8 cm is a crazy difference

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Posted on Mar 24, 2021, 3:43 pm

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Quote from: V21 on March 24, 2021, 08:37:11 AMBecause I do it for mental health and in order to feel better with myself. I have severe height dysphoria (even I'm not "short"), and I'm tired of living with feelings of failure. I want to look at myself and feel great, and that is worth even doing Precice. So, I couldn't care less about what women or others think about it, I care about what I feel about it. However, I respect your reasons, everyone who is willing to do this has a big set of balls lol, and you had a tough journey with the damn nerve pain. It's just hard for me to understand having this hell for women. Anyway, I'm glad you were succesful dude, 8 cm is a crazy difference

I agree with you simply because you say you are doing it for yourself. There are others so delusional on here thinking they will increase their game with women or achieve great things with a 8cm gain, thats all idiotic and laughable. As long as you are not expecting to become a God with women and get promotions then you are good to go.

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Posted on Mar 24, 2021, 4:12 pm

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How long does it usually take for the femur-bone to consolidate with precise 2, lets say with a above average bone-growth?

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Posted on Mar 24, 2021, 4:59 pm

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Quote from: V21 on March 24, 2021, 08:37:11 AMBecause I do it for mental health and in order to feel better with myself. I have severe height dysphoria (even I'm not "short"), and I'm tired of living with feelings of failure. I want to look at myself and feel great, and that is worth even doing Precice. So, I couldn't care less about what women or others think about it, I care about what I feel about it. However, I respect your reasons, everyone who is willing to do this has a big set of balls lol, and you had a tough journey with the damn nerve pain. It's just hard for me to understand having this hell for women. Anyway, I'm glad you were succesful dude, 8 cm is a crazy difference

Quote from: Jamesy998 on March 24, 2021, 03:43:32 PMI agree with you simply because you say you are doing it for yourself. There are others so delusional on here thinking they will increase their game with women or achieve great things with a 8cm gain, thats all idiotic and laughable. As long as you are not expecting to become a God with women and get promotions then you are good to go.

I'll answer the rest if I have more time (in a couple of days) but as of now I only agree with these two statements here. That's exactly my thoughts.

Quote from: Siegfried on March 24, 2021, 04:12:11 PMHow long does it usually take for the femur-bone to consolidate with precise 2, lets say with a above average bone-growth?

Depends on the amount of lengthening and your healing rate but for 8cm you can expect to walk unaided after about ~2months post distraction phase.
How long does it usually take for the femur-bone to consolidate with precise 2, lets say with a above average bone-growth?

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Quote from: V21 on March 24, 2021, 08:37:11 AMBecause I do it for mental health and in order to feel better with myself. I have severe height dysphoria (even I'm not "short"), and I'm tired of living with feelings of failure. I want to look at myself and feel great, and that is worth even doing Precice. So, I couldn't care less about what women or others think about it, I care about what I feel about it. However, I respect your reasons, everyone who is willing to do this has a big set of balls lol, and you had a tough journey with the damn nerve pain. It's just hard for me to understand having this hell for women. Anyway, I'm glad you were succesful dude, 8 cm is a crazy difference

Quote from: Jamesy998 on March 24, 2021, 03:43:32 PMI agree with you simply because you say you are doing it for yourself. There are others so delusional on here thinking they will increase their game with women or achieve great things with a 8cm gain, thats all idiotic and laughable. As long as you are not expecting to become a God with women and get promotions then you are good to go.

I'll answer the rest if I have more time (in a couple of days) but as of now I only agree with these two statements here. That's exactly my thoughts.

Quote from: Siegfried on March 24, 2021, 04:12:11 PMHow long does it usually take for the femur-bone to consolidate with precise 2, lets say with a above average bone-growth?

Depends on the amount of lengthening and your healing rate but for 8cm you can expect to walk unaided after about ~2months post distraction phase.
How long does it usually take for the femur-bone to consolidate with precise 2, lets say with a above average bone-growth?

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Posted on Mar 24, 2021, 5:02 pm

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Quote from: BelowTheMean on March 24, 2021, 12:47:29 AMI have the exact opposite viewpoint as you. If you already have a wife or someone that you plan on staying together with permanently, then why suffer through LL? It's not like they were opposed to your original height to the point where they wouldn't be with you. You could spend the time and money doing something that's actually enjoyable. Surely you must have other meaningful goals in your life. I always write off LL when I'm in a relationship and the only reason I got around to doing LL is because I was single during the pandemic.

In dating the more picky you are the more you need every edge you can get, especially online dating. A few inches makes a huge difference and anyone who says otherwise is lying. All of the anecdotal historical experience on here points to a solid improvement in dating as a taller guy. Besides, if it wasn't important who in the world would spend almost $100K getting taller? The people of the forum are voting that it's important with their wallets.

Because height dysphoria and being short doesn't magically go away when you are in a relationship. I also have a great girlfriend who I see a long-term future with but I was sick and tired of being 5'4" and the associated disadvantages that come with it. Height dysphoria causes you to think about your height in basically every social situation, regardless of if you have a gf or not. Being short is not just a disadvantage in the dating world, it is a disadvantage in just about every social interaction. This is why people can do LL for reasons other than purely dating related. Maybe my mindset is different as your starting height is close to my goal height but I would do LL whether I had a gf/wife or not.

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Quote from: BelowTheMean on March 24, 2021, 12:47:29 AMI have the exact opposite viewpoint as you. If you already have a wife or someone that you plan on staying together with permanently, then why suffer through LL? It's not like they were opposed to your original height to the point where they wouldn't be with you. You could spend the time and money doing something that's actually enjoyable. Surely you must have other meaningful goals in your life. I always write off LL when I'm in a relationship and the only reason I got around to doing LL is because I was single during the pandemic.

In dating the more picky you are the more you need every edge you can get, especially online dating. A few inches makes a huge difference and anyone who says otherwise is lying. All of the anecdotal historical experience on here points to a solid improvement in dating as a taller guy. Besides, if it wasn't important who in the world would spend almost $100K getting taller? The people of the forum are voting that it's important with their wallets.

Because height dysphoria and being short doesn't magically go away when you are in a relationship. I also have a great girlfriend who I see a long-term future with but I was sick and tired of being 5'4" and the associated disadvantages that come with it. Height dysphoria causes you to think about your height in basically every social situation, regardless of if you have a gf or not. Being short is not just a disadvantage in the dating world, it is a disadvantage in just about every social interaction. This is why people can do LL for reasons other than purely dating related. Maybe my mindset is different as your starting height is close to my goal height but I would do LL whether I had a gf/wife or not.

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Posted on Mar 24, 2021, 10:24 pm

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I think we have all gone through vastly different experiences in life, which shapes our perspectives on things. Personally, I don't have enough height dysphoria outside the context of dating to feel like it's worth getting CLL to address. Some of you may have though, and I'm very curious what experiences led you to feeling like you need to get CLL. Maybe I'm missing something or overlooked something.

In terms of my career I don't think my height has been a hindrance. It definitely has not been an issue in the context of making friends. Honestly, outside of dating the worst trigger for my height dysphoria is when I get my car back from the valet and they moved the driver's seat way back. This isn't something I would ever consider getting CLL for though. I thought that my thighs were short and stubby before I got CLL, but that's definitely not something I would have gotten CLL to fix. In social settings, among groups of guys I've never been treated worse for being short. I do feel a little height dysphoria if many of the guys in the group are tall, but that's because I feel some resentment due to my belief that they have an easier time with women given their height. Realistically it's most likely not true, but that's what triggers my height dysphoria.

In the context of dating though, my experience has been completely different. I didn't even know that being short was a bad thing until my first serious girlfriend dumped me for a tall guy and by then I was out of college already. I somehow managed to spend all of my youth not having any height dysphoria. However, once I started having height dysphoria, I noticed it in all of my interactions with women. I've hooked up with 100+ women and therefore have collected a lot of data regarding how someone of my height is treated in the dating world. Note that I tell women I'm 5'8"/172cm and wear lifts when going out so I can usually "pass" as 5'8"/172cm. Here are some of the examples of my height-related experiences interacting with women as a short guy.

Pretty much every girl I've dated who has had a taller ex (all of them) has compared their ex's height with mine and then called me short.
One girl I dated who was 5'2"/158cm told me that none of her ex's were under 5'11"/180cm and that she was willing to date a short guy like me because she was getting older and ready to settle down (she was 27.) She also claimed she was taller than me every time she wore heels even though she was clearly not! She also said she didn't think any girls taller than her would be willing to date me because anyone taller than her would make me look short and girls don't like having short boyfriends.
One girl I hooked up with who was only 5'1"/155cm randomly mentioned that her ex was 6'5"/195cm and played basketball in college while we were making out (wtf?) I'm sure she was just sh*t-testing me but when I asked her why she would point this out, and she said it was so I didn't feel like I was special. She was extremely hot, otherwise I would not have put up with her. She ghosted me two weeks after that anyway and I'm pretty sure the only reason we had a fling was because she wanted to try a muscular guy (I was in really good shape then.)
One ex-gf who was 5'4"/162cm gave me so much crap for being short. Every time she wore heels or even stood on her tippy toes, she would point out that she was taller than me and laugh at me when I tried to deny it. She would also constantly joke about having to "crouch down" when we took pictures together so it wouldn't look like she was dating a short guy. She also frequently mentioned how every single one of her ex's were taller than me.
Multiple girls have said something along the lines that they "did me a favor" after we hooked up because I am so short.
One girl I hooked up with (5'8"/173cm) said that she didn't mind short guys because she was "generous". Wtf does that even mean? Guess it's just another girl pointing out that I'm short!
One girl (5'5"/165cm) told me she was down to hookup whenever, but refused to ever be seen in public with me because I was too short. Like she literally would not even let me walk her down to my condo lobby in the morning. I was taller than her too...
After we hooked up, I was walking my dog with one girl (5'9"/175cm) but when she saw someone approaching down the sidewalk she took a few steps away from me. She told me she didn't want people to think that she was with a shorter guy. At least this one was actually taller than me...
One girl I met for a first date (5'5"/166cm) kept saying that she was taller than me, even though we were both wearing flat shoes and I was definitely taller than her. I still managed to hook up with her, but she was one of those girls who like to list off the heights of her ex's and compare me to them. She even had the gall to claim that a 5'10"/178cm guy was tall. Okay...
This one isn't directly related to height, but I took one girl (5'4"/163cm) on an ice skating date and she didn't want to hold hands because "my arms were too short" and she felt like she was going to crash into me. My arms might be short, but they're still longer than hers... I was so mad that I actually left without giving her a ride home
One female friend (5'7"/170cm) who openly had a crush on me (not mutual) eventually settled down with a tall guy and one time she was drunk and told me that my only weakness was that I was short and the reason she married a tall guy was so she had something to feel superior about (ugh)
One girl (5'5"/165cm) I hooked up with had an ex on the periphery of our circle of friends. This guy was barely 5'10" and much worse than me in every other aspect, but when we were randomly talking about other stuff out of nowhere she randomly pointed out that he was taller than me.
One ex-gf I literally hadn't talked to in years randomly messaged me to say hi. She told me that she got a new puppy and also casually mentioned that her current boyfriend is 6'3"/190cm.
One of my other ex-gfs (5'3"/160cm) had a close friend (while we were dating) who was dating multiple guys at once. This girl was obsessed with height and literally ranked the guys she was dating by their height and income to make her final decision on which one to keep. She frequently told my ex-gf to dump me because I was too short.
One girl (5'4"/162cm) I dated for about three months seemed perfectly normal and never mentioned my height even once. I thought she was one of the good ones, but after we broke up I started dating her friend and she started talking sh*t about me to her friend including telling her that I had "inferior genetics" because I was so short. She also sent me a ton of crap about her friend to try and break us up

I could probably keep going for a while if I spent more time down walking down memory lane. Honestly some of these girls I don't even remember anything about aside from when they gave me crap about my height. Don't even get me started with online interactions and height... I'm sure many of you here have had similar experiences, but if you have had as many of these negative experiences as I have, then you would want to get CLL as well. All of these girls are attractive and have decent personalities, and 95% of my interactions with them were positive. However, the second that the topic of height comes up, all of them instantly become brutal and condescending. It's such BS that it's completely normal for girls of any height to disrespect short guys and we're expected to just take it because "hey, I'm just stating a fact. You're short!" Maybe these girls can sense that I have height dysphoria and use it against me. Regardless, my height dysphoria in the context of dating gets triggered so much that I did CLL just so I can reduce the number of times I have to deal with this kind of heightism. I really hope at 177cm it will drop down to zero; then I'll never have to think about height again. I feel like even the girls who claim they don't "care about height" constantly bring it up and use it to make me feel bad, which is why I think getting CLL is so important for dating while simultaneously believing that it's super easy to get girls (at least as a fake 5'8".)

So yeah, hopefully some of you can see how my experiences drove me to get CLL for the purposes of dating. Maybe I have bad luck or I'm just good at attracting female a*sholes, but truly I believe getting CLL should help a ton with reducing the negative experiences I have dating as a short guy. I hope some of you can share what drove you to get CLL outside the context of dating because I really can't picture it on my own. If I had found a woman worth marrying and settled down before last year, I would never ever have done CLL.

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I think we have all gone through vastly different experiences in life, which shapes our perspectives on things. Personally, I don't have enough height dysphoria outside the context of dating to feel like it's worth getting CLL to address. Some of you may have though, and I'm very curious what experiences led you to feeling like you need to get CLL. Maybe I'm missing something or overlooked something.

In terms of my career I don't think my height has been a hindrance. It definitely has not been an issue in the context of making friends. Honestly, outside of dating the worst trigger for my height dysphoria is when I get my car back from the valet and they moved the driver's seat way back. This isn't something I would ever consider getting CLL for though. I thought that my thighs were short and stubby before I got CLL, but that's definitely not something I would have gotten CLL to fix. In social settings, among groups of guys I've never been treated worse for being short. I do feel a little height dysphoria if many of the guys in the group are tall, but that's because I feel some resentment due to my belief that they have an easier time with women given their height. Realistically it's most likely not true, but that's what triggers my height dysphoria.

In the context of dating though, my experience has been completely different. I didn't even know that being short was a bad thing until my first serious girlfriend dumped me for a tall guy and by then I was out of college already. I somehow managed to spend all of my youth not having any height dysphoria. However, once I started having height dysphoria, I noticed it in all of my interactions with women. I've hooked up with 100+ women and therefore have collected a lot of data regarding how someone of my height is treated in the dating world. Note that I tell women I'm 5'8"/172cm and wear lifts when going out so I can usually "pass" as 5'8"/172cm. Here are some of the examples of my height-related experiences interacting with women as a short guy.

Pretty much every girl I've dated who has had a taller ex (all of them) has compared their ex's height with mine and then called me short.
One girl I dated who was 5'2"/158cm told me that none of her ex's were under 5'11"/180cm and that she was willing to date a short guy like me because she was getting older and ready to settle down (she was 27.) She also claimed she was taller than me every time she wore heels even though she was clearly not! She also said she didn't think any girls taller than her would be willing to date me because anyone taller than her would make me look short and girls don't like having short boyfriends.
One girl I hooked up with who was only 5'1"/155cm randomly mentioned that her ex was 6'5"/195cm and played basketball in college while we were making out (wtf?) I'm sure she was just sh*t-testing me but when I asked her why she would point this out, and she said it was so I didn't feel like I was special. She was extremely hot, otherwise I would not have put up with her. She ghosted me two weeks after that anyway and I'm pretty sure the only reason we had a fling was because she wanted to try a muscular guy (I was in really good shape then.)
One ex-gf who was 5'4"/162cm gave me so much crap for being short. Every time she wore heels or even stood on her tippy toes, she would point out that she was taller than me and laugh at me when I tried to deny it. She would also constantly joke about having to "crouch down" when we took pictures together so it wouldn't look like she was dating a short guy. She also frequently mentioned how every single one of her ex's were taller than me.
Multiple girls have said something along the lines that they "did me a favor" after we hooked up because I am so short.
One girl I hooked up with (5'8"/173cm) said that she didn't mind short guys because she was "generous". Wtf does that even mean? Guess it's just another girl pointing out that I'm short!
One girl (5'5"/165cm) told me she was down to hookup whenever, but refused to ever be seen in public with me because I was too short. Like she literally would not even let me walk her down to my condo lobby in the morning. I was taller than her too...
After we hooked up, I was walking my dog with one girl (5'9"/175cm) but when she saw someone approaching down the sidewalk she took a few steps away from me. She told me she didn't want people to think that she was with a shorter guy. At least this one was actually taller than me...
One girl I met for a first date (5'5"/166cm) kept saying that she was taller than me, even though we were both wearing flat shoes and I was definitely taller than her. I still managed to hook up with her, but she was one of those girls who like to list off the heights of her ex's and compare me to them. She even had the gall to claim that a 5'10"/178cm guy was tall. Okay...
This one isn't directly related to height, but I took one girl (5'4"/163cm) on an ice skating date and she didn't want to hold hands because "my arms were too short" and she felt like she was going to crash into me. My arms might be short, but they're still longer than hers... I was so mad that I actually left without giving her a ride home
One female friend (5'7"/170cm) who openly had a crush on me (not mutual) eventually settled down with a tall guy and one time she was drunk and told me that my only weakness was that I was short and the reason she married a tall guy was so she had something to feel superior about (ugh)
One girl (5'5"/165cm) I hooked up with had an ex on the periphery of our circle of friends. This guy was barely 5'10" and much worse than me in every other aspect, but when we were randomly talking about other stuff out of nowhere she randomly pointed out that he was taller than me.
One ex-gf I literally hadn't talked to in years randomly messaged me to say hi. She told me that she got a new puppy and also casually mentioned that her current boyfriend is 6'3"/190cm.
One of my other ex-gfs (5'3"/160cm) had a close friend (while we were dating) who was dating multiple guys at once. This girl was obsessed with height and literally ranked the guys she was dating by their height and income to make her final decision on which one to keep. She frequently told my ex-gf to dump me because I was too short.
One girl (5'4"/162cm) I dated for about three months seemed perfectly normal and never mentioned my height even once. I thought she was one of the good ones, but after we broke up I started dating her friend and she started talking sh*t about me to her friend including telling her that I had "inferior genetics" because I was so short. She also sent me a ton of crap about her friend to try and break us up

I could probably keep going for a while if I spent more time down walking down memory lane. Honestly some of these girls I don't even remember anything about aside from when they gave me crap about my height. Don't even get me started with online interactions and height... I'm sure many of you here have had similar experiences, but if you have had as many of these negative experiences as I have, then you would want to get CLL as well. All of these girls are attractive and have decent personalities, and 95% of my interactions with them were positive. However, the second that the topic of height comes up, all of them instantly become brutal and condescending. It's such BS that it's completely normal for girls of any height to disrespect short guys and we're expected to just take it because "hey, I'm just stating a fact. You're short!" Maybe these girls can sense that I have height dysphoria and use it against me. Regardless, my height dysphoria in the context of dating gets triggered so much that I did CLL just so I can reduce the number of times I have to deal with this kind of heightism. I really hope at 177cm it will drop down to zero; then I'll never have to think about height again. I feel like even the girls who claim they don't "care about height" constantly bring it up and use it to make me feel bad, which is why I think getting CLL is so important for dating while simultaneously believing that it's super easy to get girls (at least as a fake 5'8".)

So yeah, hopefully some of you can see how my experiences drove me to get CLL for the purposes of dating. Maybe I have bad luck or I'm just good at attracting female a*sholes, but truly I believe getting CLL should help a ton with reducing the negative experiences I have dating as a short guy. I hope some of you can share what drove you to get CLL outside the context of dating because I really can't picture it on my own. If I had found a woman worth marrying and settled down before last year, I would never ever have done CLL.

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Quote from: BelowTheMean on March 24, 2021, 10:24:47 PMI think we have all gone through vastly different experiences in life, which shapes our perspectives on things. Personally, I don't have enough height dysphoria outside the context of dating to feel like it's worth getting CLL to address. Some of you may have though, and I'm very curious what experiences led you to feeling like you need to get CLL. Maybe I'm missing something or overlooked something.

In terms of my career I don't think my height has been a hindrance. It definitely has not been an issue in the context of making friends. Honestly, outside of dating the worst trigger for my height dysphoria is when I get my car back from the valet and they moved the driver's seat way back. This isn't something I would ever consider getting CLL for though. I thought that my thighs were short and stubby before I got CLL, but that's definitely not something I would have gotten CLL to fix. In social settings, among groups of guys I've never been treated worse for being short. I do feel a little height dysphoria if many of the guys in the group are tall, but that's because I feel some resentment due to my belief that they have an easier time with women given their height. Realistically it's most likely not true, but that's what triggers my height dysphoria.

In the context of dating though, my experience has been completely different. I didn't even know that being short was a bad thing until my first serious girlfriend dumped me for a tall guy and by then I was out of college already. I somehow managed to spend all of my youth not having any height dysphoria. However, once I started having height dysphoria, I noticed it in all of my interactions with women. I've hooked up with 100+ women and therefore have collected a lot of data regarding how someone of my height is treated in the dating world. Note that I tell women I'm 5'8"/172cm and wear lifts when going out so I can usually "pass" as 5'8"/172cm. Here are some of the examples of my height-related experiences interacting with women as a short guy.

Pretty much every girl I've dated who has had a taller ex (all of them) has compared their ex's height with mine and then called me short.
One girl I dated who was 5'2"/158cm told me that none of her ex's were under 5'11"/180cm and that she was willing to date a short guy like me because she was getting older and ready to settle down (she was 27.) She also claimed she was taller than me every time she wore heels even though she was clearly not! She also said she didn't think any girls taller than her would be willing to date me because anyone taller than her would make me look short and girls don't like having short boyfriends.
One girl I hooked up with who was only 5'1"/155cm randomly mentioned that her ex was 6'5"/195cm and played basketball in college while we were making out (wtf?) I'm sure she was just sh*t-testing me but when I asked her why she would point this out, and she said it was so I didn't feel like I was special. She was extremely hot, otherwise I would not have put up with her. She ghosted me two weeks after that anyway and I'm pretty sure the only reason we had a fling was because she wanted to try a muscular guy (I was in really good shape then.)
One ex-gf who was 5'4"/162cm gave me so much crap for being short. Every time she wore heels or even stood on her tippy toes, she would point out that she was taller than me and laugh at me when I tried to deny it. She would also constantly joke about having to "crouch down" when we took pictures together so it wouldn't look like she was dating a short guy. She also frequently mentioned how every single one of her ex's were taller than me.
Multiple girls have said something along the lines that they "did me a favor" after we hooked up because I am so short.
One girl I hooked up with (5'8"/173cm) said that she didn't mind short guys because she was "generous". Wtf does that even mean? Guess it's just another girl pointing out that I'm short!
One girl (5'5"/165cm) told me she was down to hookup whenever, but refused to ever be seen in public with me because I was too short. Like she literally would not even let me walk her down to my condo lobby in the morning. I was taller than her too...
After we hooked up, I was walking my dog with one girl (5'9"/175cm) but when she saw someone approaching down the sidewalk she took a few steps away from me. She told me she didn't want people to think that she was with a shorter guy. At least this one was actually taller than me...
One girl I met for a first date (5'5"/166cm) kept saying that she was taller than me, even though we were both wearing flat shoes and I was definitely taller than her. I still managed to hook up with her, but she was one of those girls who like to list off the heights of her ex's and compare me to them. She even had the gall to claim that a 5'10"/178cm guy was tall. Okay...
This one isn't directly related to height, but I took one girl (5'4"/163cm) on an ice skating date and she didn't want to hold hands because "my arms were too short" and she felt like she was going to crash into me. My arms might be short, but they're still longer than hers... I was so mad that I actually left without giving her a ride home
One female friend (5'7"/170cm) who openly had a crush on me (not mutual) eventually settled down with a tall guy and one time she was drunk and told me that my only weakness was that I was short and the reason she married a tall guy was so she had something to feel superior about (ugh)
One girl (5'5"/165cm) I hooked up with had an ex on the periphery of our circle of friends. This guy was barely 5'10" and much worse than me in every other aspect, but when we were randomly talking about other stuff out of nowhere she randomly pointed out that he was taller than me.
One ex-gf I literally hadn't talked to in years randomly messaged me to say hi. She told me that she got a new puppy and also casually mentioned that her current boyfriend is 6'3"/190cm.
One of my other ex-gfs (5'3"/160cm) had a close friend (while we were dating) who was dating multiple guys at once. This girl was obsessed with height and literally ranked the guys she was dating by their height and income to make her final decision on which one to keep. She frequently told my ex-gf to dump me because I was too short.
One girl (5'4"/162cm) I dated for about three months seemed perfectly normal and never mentioned my height even once. I thought she was one of the good ones, but after we broke up I started dating her friend and she started talking sh*t about me to her friend including telling her that I had "inferior genetics" because I was so short. She also sent me a ton of crap about her friend to try and break us up

I could probably keep going for a while if I spent more time down walking down memory lane. Honestly some of these girls I don't even remember anything about aside from when they gave me crap about my height. Don't even get me started with online interactions and height... I'm sure many of you here have had similar experiences, but if you have had as many of these negative experiences as I have, then you would want to get CLL as well. All of these girls are attractive and have decent personalities, and 95% of my interactions with them were positive. However, the second that the topic of height comes up, all of them instantly become brutal and condescending. It's such BS that it's completely normal for girls of any height to disrespect short guys and we're expected to just take it because "hey, I'm just stating a fact. You're short!" Maybe these girls can sense that I have height dysphoria and use it against me. Regardless, my height dysphoria in the context of dating gets triggered so much that I did CLL just so I can reduce the number of times I have to deal with this kind of heightism. I really hope at 177cm it will drop down to zero; then I'll never have to think about height again. I feel like even the girls who claim they don't "care about height" constantly bring it up and use it to make me feel bad, which is why I think getting CLL is so important for dating while simultaneously believing that it's super easy to get girls (at least as a fake 5'8".)

So yeah, hopefully some of you can see how my experiences drove me to get CLL for the purposes of dating. Maybe I have bad luck or I'm just good at attracting female a*sholes, but truly I believe getting CLL should help a ton with reducing the negative experiences I have dating as a short guy. I hope some of you can share what drove you to get CLL outside the context of dating because I really can't picture it on my own. If I had found a woman worth marrying and settled down before last year, I would never ever have done CLL.

Never heard of such incidents in Europe especially while in a relationship. Over here girls can often reject a guy for the height but they wont down right insult them and say it to their face, they will politely decline. You should have told that girl your ex had a nicer rack or something and observed the reaction haha.

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Quote from: BelowTheMean on March 24, 2021, 10:24:47 PMI think we have all gone through vastly different experiences in life, which shapes our perspectives on things. Personally, I don't have enough height dysphoria outside the context of dating to feel like it's worth getting CLL to address. Some of you may have though, and I'm very curious what experiences led you to feeling like you need to get CLL. Maybe I'm missing something or overlooked something.

In terms of my career I don't think my height has been a hindrance. It definitely has not been an issue in the context of making friends. Honestly, outside of dating the worst trigger for my height dysphoria is when I get my car back from the valet and they moved the driver's seat way back. This isn't something I would ever consider getting CLL for though. I thought that my thighs were short and stubby before I got CLL, but that's definitely not something I would have gotten CLL to fix. In social settings, among groups of guys I've never been treated worse for being short. I do feel a little height dysphoria if many of the guys in the group are tall, but that's because I feel some resentment due to my belief that they have an easier time with women given their height. Realistically it's most likely not true, but that's what triggers my height dysphoria.

In the context of dating though, my experience has been completely different. I didn't even know that being short was a bad thing until my first serious girlfriend dumped me for a tall guy and by then I was out of college already. I somehow managed to spend all of my youth not having any height dysphoria. However, once I started having height dysphoria, I noticed it in all of my interactions with women. I've hooked up with 100+ women and therefore have collected a lot of data regarding how someone of my height is treated in the dating world. Note that I tell women I'm 5'8"/172cm and wear lifts when going out so I can usually "pass" as 5'8"/172cm. Here are some of the examples of my height-related experiences interacting with women as a short guy.

Pretty much every girl I've dated who has had a taller ex (all of them) has compared their ex's height with mine and then called me short.
One girl I dated who was 5'2"/158cm told me that none of her ex's were under 5'11"/180cm and that she was willing to date a short guy like me because she was getting older and ready to settle down (she was 27.) She also claimed she was taller than me every time she wore heels even though she was clearly not! She also said she didn't think any girls taller than her would be willing to date me because anyone taller than her would make me look short and girls don't like having short boyfriends.
One girl I hooked up with who was only 5'1"/155cm randomly mentioned that her ex was 6'5"/195cm and played basketball in college while we were making out (wtf?) I'm sure she was just sh*t-testing me but when I asked her why she would point this out, and she said it was so I didn't feel like I was special. She was extremely hot, otherwise I would not have put up with her. She ghosted me two weeks after that anyway and I'm pretty sure the only reason we had a fling was because she wanted to try a muscular guy (I was in really good shape then.)
One ex-gf who was 5'4"/162cm gave me so much crap for being short. Every time she wore heels or even stood on her tippy toes, she would point out that she was taller than me and laugh at me when I tried to deny it. She would also constantly joke about having to "crouch down" when we took pictures together so it wouldn't look like she was dating a short guy. She also frequently mentioned how every single one of her ex's were taller than me.
Multiple girls have said something along the lines that they "did me a favor" after we hooked up because I am so short.
One girl I hooked up with (5'8"/173cm) said that she didn't mind short guys because she was "generous". Wtf does that even mean? Guess it's just another girl pointing out that I'm short!
One girl (5'5"/165cm) told me she was down to hookup whenever, but refused to ever be seen in public with me because I was too short. Like she literally would not even let me walk her down to my condo lobby in the morning. I was taller than her too...
After we hooked up, I was walking my dog with one girl (5'9"/175cm) but when she saw someone approaching down the sidewalk she took a few steps away from me. She told me she didn't want people to think that she was with a shorter guy. At least this one was actually taller than me...
One girl I met for a first date (5'5"/166cm) kept saying that she was taller than me, even though we were both wearing flat shoes and I was definitely taller than her. I still managed to hook up with her, but she was one of those girls who like to list off the heights of her ex's and compare me to them. She even had the gall to claim that a 5'10"/178cm guy was tall. Okay...
This one isn't directly related to height, but I took one girl (5'4"/163cm) on an ice skating date and she didn't want to hold hands because "my arms were too short" and she felt like she was going to crash into me. My arms might be short, but they're still longer than hers... I was so mad that I actually left without giving her a ride home
One female friend (5'7"/170cm) who openly had a crush on me (not mutual) eventually settled down with a tall guy and one time she was drunk and told me that my only weakness was that I was short and the reason she married a tall guy was so she had something to feel superior about (ugh)
One girl (5'5"/165cm) I hooked up with had an ex on the periphery of our circle of friends. This guy was barely 5'10" and much worse than me in every other aspect, but when we were randomly talking about other stuff out of nowhere she randomly pointed out that he was taller than me.
One ex-gf I literally hadn't talked to in years randomly messaged me to say hi. She told me that she got a new puppy and also casually mentioned that her current boyfriend is 6'3"/190cm.
One of my other ex-gfs (5'3"/160cm) had a close friend (while we were dating) who was dating multiple guys at once. This girl was obsessed with height and literally ranked the guys she was dating by their height and income to make her final decision on which one to keep. She frequently told my ex-gf to dump me because I was too short.
One girl (5'4"/162cm) I dated for about three months seemed perfectly normal and never mentioned my height even once. I thought she was one of the good ones, but after we broke up I started dating her friend and she started talking sh*t about me to her friend including telling her that I had "inferior genetics" because I was so short. She also sent me a ton of crap about her friend to try and break us up

I could probably keep going for a while if I spent more time down walking down memory lane. Honestly some of these girls I don't even remember anything about aside from when they gave me crap about my height. Don't even get me started with online interactions and height... I'm sure many of you here have had similar experiences, but if you have had as many of these negative experiences as I have, then you would want to get CLL as well. All of these girls are attractive and have decent personalities, and 95% of my interactions with them were positive. However, the second that the topic of height comes up, all of them instantly become brutal and condescending. It's such BS that it's completely normal for girls of any height to disrespect short guys and we're expected to just take it because "hey, I'm just stating a fact. You're short!" Maybe these girls can sense that I have height dysphoria and use it against me. Regardless, my height dysphoria in the context of dating gets triggered so much that I did CLL just so I can reduce the number of times I have to deal with this kind of heightism. I really hope at 177cm it will drop down to zero; then I'll never have to think about height again. I feel like even the girls who claim they don't "care about height" constantly bring it up and use it to make me feel bad, which is why I think getting CLL is so important for dating while simultaneously believing that it's super easy to get girls (at least as a fake 5'8".)

So yeah, hopefully some of you can see how my experiences drove me to get CLL for the purposes of dating. Maybe I have bad luck or I'm just good at attracting female a*sholes, but truly I believe getting CLL should help a ton with reducing the negative experiences I have dating as a short guy. I hope some of you can share what drove you to get CLL outside the context of dating because I really can't picture it on my own. If I had found a woman worth marrying and settled down before last year, I would never ever have done CLL.

Never heard of such incidents in Europe especially while in a relationship. Over here girls can often reject a guy for the height but they wont down right insult them and say it to their face, they will politely decline. You should have told that girl your ex had a nicer rack or something and observed the reaction haha.

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Quote from: BelowTheMean on March 24, 2021, 10:24:47 PMI think we have all gone through vastly different experiences in life, which shapes our perspectives on things. Personally, I don't have enough height dysphoria outside the context of dating to feel like it's worth getting CLL to address. Some of you may have though, and I'm very curious what experiences led you to feeling like you need to get CLL. Maybe I'm missing something or overlooked something.

In terms of my career I don't think my height has been a hindrance. It definitely has not been an issue in the context of making friends. Honestly, outside of dating the worst trigger for my height dysphoria is when I get my car back from the valet and they moved the driver's seat way back. This isn't something I would ever consider getting CLL for though. I thought that my thighs were short and stubby before I got CLL, but that's definitely not something I would have gotten CLL to fix. In social settings, among groups of guys I've never been treated worse for being short. I do feel a little height dysphoria if many of the guys in the group are tall, but that's because I feel some resentment due to my belief that they have an easier time with women given their height. Realistically it's most likely not true, but that's what triggers my height dysphoria.

In the context of dating though, my experience has been completely different. I didn't even know that being short was a bad thing until my first serious girlfriend dumped me for a tall guy and by then I was out of college already. I somehow managed to spend all of my youth not having any height dysphoria. However, once I started having height dysphoria, I noticed it in all of my interactions with women. I've hooked up with 100+ women and therefore have collected a lot of data regarding how someone of my height is treated in the dating world. Note that I tell women I'm 5'8"/172cm and wear lifts when going out so I can usually "pass" as 5'8"/172cm. Here are some of the examples of my height-related experiences interacting with women as a short guy.

Pretty much every girl I've dated who has had a taller ex (all of them) has compared their ex's height with mine and then called me short.
One girl I dated who was 5'2"/158cm told me that none of her ex's were under 5'11"/180cm and that she was willing to date a short guy like me because she was getting older and ready to settle down (she was 27.) She also claimed she was taller than me every time she wore heels even though she was clearly not! She also said she didn't think any girls taller than her would be willing to date me because anyone taller than her would make me look short and girls don't like having short boyfriends.
One girl I hooked up with who was only 5'1"/155cm randomly mentioned that her ex was 6'5"/195cm and played basketball in college while we were making out (wtf?) I'm sure she was just sh*t-testing me but when I asked her why she would point this out, and she said it was so I didn't feel like I was special. She was extremely hot, otherwise I would not have put up with her. She ghosted me two weeks after that anyway and I'm pretty sure the only reason we had a fling was because she wanted to try a muscular guy (I was in really good shape then.)
One ex-gf who was 5'4"/162cm gave me so much crap for being short. Every time she wore heels or even stood on her tippy toes, she would point out that she was taller than me and laugh at me when I tried to deny it. She would also constantly joke about having to "crouch down" when we took pictures together so it wouldn't look like she was dating a short guy. She also frequently mentioned how every single one of her ex's were taller than me.
Multiple girls have said something along the lines that they "did me a favor" after we hooked up because I am so short.
One girl I hooked up with (5'8"/173cm) said that she didn't mind short guys because she was "generous". Wtf does that even mean? Guess it's just another girl pointing out that I'm short!
One girl (5'5"/165cm) told me she was down to hookup whenever, but refused to ever be seen in public with me because I was too short. Like she literally would not even let me walk her down to my condo lobby in the morning. I was taller than her too...
After we hooked up, I was walking my dog with one girl (5'9"/175cm) but when she saw someone approaching down the sidewalk she took a few steps away from me. She told me she didn't want people to think that she was with a shorter guy. At least this one was actually taller than me...
One girl I met for a first date (5'5"/166cm) kept saying that she was taller than me, even though we were both wearing flat shoes and I was definitely taller than her. I still managed to hook up with her, but she was one of those girls who like to list off the heights of her ex's and compare me to them. She even had the gall to claim that a 5'10"/178cm guy was tall. Okay...
This one isn't directly related to height, but I took one girl (5'4"/163cm) on an ice skating date and she didn't want to hold hands because "my arms were too short" and she felt like she was going to crash into me. My arms might be short, but they're still longer than hers... I was so mad that I actually left without giving her a ride home
One female friend (5'7"/170cm) who openly had a crush on me (not mutual) eventually settled down with a tall guy and one time she was drunk and told me that my only weakness was that I was short and the reason she married a tall guy was so she had something to feel superior about (ugh)
One girl (5'5"/165cm) I hooked up with had an ex on the periphery of our circle of friends. This guy was barely 5'10" and much worse than me in every other aspect, but when we were randomly talking about other stuff out of nowhere she randomly pointed out that he was taller than me.
One ex-gf I literally hadn't talked to in years randomly messaged me to say hi. She told me that she got a new puppy and also casually mentioned that her current boyfriend is 6'3"/190cm.
One of my other ex-gfs (5'3"/160cm) had a close friend (while we were dating) who was dating multiple guys at once. This girl was obsessed with height and literally ranked the guys she was dating by their height and income to make her final decision on which one to keep. She frequently told my ex-gf to dump me because I was too short.
One girl (5'4"/162cm) I dated for about three months seemed perfectly normal and never mentioned my height even once. I thought she was one of the good ones, but after we broke up I started dating her friend and she started talking sh*t about me to her friend including telling her that I had "inferior genetics" because I was so short. She also sent me a ton of crap about her friend to try and break us up

I could probably keep going for a while if I spent more time down walking down memory lane. Honestly some of these girls I don't even remember anything about aside from when they gave me crap about my height. Don't even get me started with online interactions and height... I'm sure many of you here have had similar experiences, but if you have had as many of these negative experiences as I have, then you would want to get CLL as well. All of these girls are attractive and have decent personalities, and 95% of my interactions with them were positive. However, the second that the topic of height comes up, all of them instantly become brutal and condescending. It's such BS that it's completely normal for girls of any height to disrespect short guys and we're expected to just take it because "hey, I'm just stating a fact. You're short!" Maybe these girls can sense that I have height dysphoria and use it against me. Regardless, my height dysphoria in the context of dating gets triggered so much that I did CLL just so I can reduce the number of times I have to deal with this kind of heightism. I really hope at 177cm it will drop down to zero; then I'll never have to think about height again. I feel like even the girls who claim they don't "care about height" constantly bring it up and use it to make me feel bad, which is why I think getting CLL is so important for dating while simultaneously believing that it's super easy to get girls (at least as a fake 5'8".)

So yeah, hopefully some of you can see how my experiences drove me to get CLL for the purposes of dating. Maybe I have bad luck or I'm just good at attracting female a*sholes, but truly I believe getting CLL should help a ton with reducing the negative experiences I have dating as a short guy. I hope some of you can share what drove you to get CLL outside the context of dating because I really can't picture it on my own. If I had found a woman worth marrying and settled down before last year, I would never ever have done CLL.

Damn! You definitely seem to have run into a bevy of shallow, caddy b*itches it would seem. I totally agree that we are all, as they say, prisoners of our own experiences and I totally respect that and accept that everyone who does CLL has reasons that are significant enough for them and that aren’t the same reasons that I would want to undergo CLL. Anyways, I found your post to be very thought provoking and informative. At the end of the day, I think everyone who goes through the CLL journey (and I am not in that category - yet), does it, and should do it, for their own reasons and not for anyone else. I myself have been very lucky - on most fronts. I have a spouse who I have been married to for a long time; I have 2 wonderful children, a fantastic job, most everything I want, but still want to undertake the CLL journey for my own reasons. At its essence, perhaps some could just chalk it up to greed and I suppose I could see that misperception. After all, I am 5’7” (171.5 cm morning height) and that is comparatively lucky in the height department as opposed to others. Yet, I still want to go through with CLL - but just for myself and to take it to the next level on all other fronts. Could I live without it and have a very fine life? Absolutely. But, could I do it and find that my new height (179 cm hopefully) eliminates my height dysphoria altogether - forever - and I never have to measure myself both figuratively and literally every day for the rest of my life? Absolutely! So, maybe everyone has different experiences and thinks of primary motivators that are different, but at some level the primary motivator and take away perspective seems to be similar if not the same: self improvement and making the impossible now possible. Thanks for the thought provoking posts.

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Quote from: BelowTheMean on March 24, 2021, 10:24:47 PMI think we have all gone through vastly different experiences in life, which shapes our perspectives on things. Personally, I don't have enough height dysphoria outside the context of dating to feel like it's worth getting CLL to address. Some of you may have though, and I'm very curious what experiences led you to feeling like you need to get CLL. Maybe I'm missing something or overlooked something.

In terms of my career I don't think my height has been a hindrance. It definitely has not been an issue in the context of making friends. Honestly, outside of dating the worst trigger for my height dysphoria is when I get my car back from the valet and they moved the driver's seat way back. This isn't something I would ever consider getting CLL for though. I thought that my thighs were short and stubby before I got CLL, but that's definitely not something I would have gotten CLL to fix. In social settings, among groups of guys I've never been treated worse for being short. I do feel a little height dysphoria if many of the guys in the group are tall, but that's because I feel some resentment due to my belief that they have an easier time with women given their height. Realistically it's most likely not true, but that's what triggers my height dysphoria.

In the context of dating though, my experience has been completely different. I didn't even know that being short was a bad thing until my first serious girlfriend dumped me for a tall guy and by then I was out of college already. I somehow managed to spend all of my youth not having any height dysphoria. However, once I started having height dysphoria, I noticed it in all of my interactions with women. I've hooked up with 100+ women and therefore have collected a lot of data regarding how someone of my height is treated in the dating world. Note that I tell women I'm 5'8"/172cm and wear lifts when going out so I can usually "pass" as 5'8"/172cm. Here are some of the examples of my height-related experiences interacting with women as a short guy.

Pretty much every girl I've dated who has had a taller ex (all of them) has compared their ex's height with mine and then called me short.
One girl I dated who was 5'2"/158cm told me that none of her ex's were under 5'11"/180cm and that she was willing to date a short guy like me because she was getting older and ready to settle down (she was 27.) She also claimed she was taller than me every time she wore heels even though she was clearly not! She also said she didn't think any girls taller than her would be willing to date me because anyone taller than her would make me look short and girls don't like having short boyfriends.
One girl I hooked up with who was only 5'1"/155cm randomly mentioned that her ex was 6'5"/195cm and played basketball in college while we were making out (wtf?) I'm sure she was just sh*t-testing me but when I asked her why she would point this out, and she said it was so I didn't feel like I was special. She was extremely hot, otherwise I would not have put up with her. She ghosted me two weeks after that anyway and I'm pretty sure the only reason we had a fling was because she wanted to try a muscular guy (I was in really good shape then.)
One ex-gf who was 5'4"/162cm gave me so much crap for being short. Every time she wore heels or even stood on her tippy toes, she would point out that she was taller than me and laugh at me when I tried to deny it. She would also constantly joke about having to "crouch down" when we took pictures together so it wouldn't look like she was dating a short guy. She also frequently mentioned how every single one of her ex's were taller than me.
Multiple girls have said something along the lines that they "did me a favor" after we hooked up because I am so short.
One girl I hooked up with (5'8"/173cm) said that she didn't mind short guys because she was "generous". Wtf does that even mean? Guess it's just another girl pointing out that I'm short!
One girl (5'5"/165cm) told me she was down to hookup whenever, but refused to ever be seen in public with me because I was too short. Like she literally would not even let me walk her down to my condo lobby in the morning. I was taller than her too...
After we hooked up, I was walking my dog with one girl (5'9"/175cm) but when she saw someone approaching down the sidewalk she took a few steps away from me. She told me she didn't want people to think that she was with a shorter guy. At least this one was actually taller than me...
One girl I met for a first date (5'5"/166cm) kept saying that she was taller than me, even though we were both wearing flat shoes and I was definitely taller than her. I still managed to hook up with her, but she was one of those girls who like to list off the heights of her ex's and compare me to them. She even had the gall to claim that a 5'10"/178cm guy was tall. Okay...
This one isn't directly related to height, but I took one girl (5'4"/163cm) on an ice skating date and she didn't want to hold hands because "my arms were too short" and she felt like she was going to crash into me. My arms might be short, but they're still longer than hers... I was so mad that I actually left without giving her a ride home
One female friend (5'7"/170cm) who openly had a crush on me (not mutual) eventually settled down with a tall guy and one time she was drunk and told me that my only weakness was that I was short and the reason she married a tall guy was so she had something to feel superior about (ugh)
One girl (5'5"/165cm) I hooked up with had an ex on the periphery of our circle of friends. This guy was barely 5'10" and much worse than me in every other aspect, but when we were randomly talking about other stuff out of nowhere she randomly pointed out that he was taller than me.
One ex-gf I literally hadn't talked to in years randomly messaged me to say hi. She told me that she got a new puppy and also casually mentioned that her current boyfriend is 6'3"/190cm.
One of my other ex-gfs (5'3"/160cm) had a close friend (while we were dating) who was dating multiple guys at once. This girl was obsessed with height and literally ranked the guys she was dating by their height and income to make her final decision on which one to keep. She frequently told my ex-gf to dump me because I was too short.
One girl (5'4"/162cm) I dated for about three months seemed perfectly normal and never mentioned my height even once. I thought she was one of the good ones, but after we broke up I started dating her friend and she started talking sh*t about me to her friend including telling her that I had "inferior genetics" because I was so short. She also sent me a ton of crap about her friend to try and break us up

I could probably keep going for a while if I spent more time down walking down memory lane. Honestly some of these girls I don't even remember anything about aside from when they gave me crap about my height. Don't even get me started with online interactions and height... I'm sure many of you here have had similar experiences, but if you have had as many of these negative experiences as I have, then you would want to get CLL as well. All of these girls are attractive and have decent personalities, and 95% of my interactions with them were positive. However, the second that the topic of height comes up, all of them instantly become brutal and condescending. It's such BS that it's completely normal for girls of any height to disrespect short guys and we're expected to just take it because "hey, I'm just stating a fact. You're short!" Maybe these girls can sense that I have height dysphoria and use it against me. Regardless, my height dysphoria in the context of dating gets triggered so much that I did CLL just so I can reduce the number of times I have to deal with this kind of heightism. I really hope at 177cm it will drop down to zero; then I'll never have to think about height again. I feel like even the girls who claim they don't "care about height" constantly bring it up and use it to make me feel bad, which is why I think getting CLL is so important for dating while simultaneously believing that it's super easy to get girls (at least as a fake 5'8".)

So yeah, hopefully some of you can see how my experiences drove me to get CLL for the purposes of dating. Maybe I have bad luck or I'm just good at attracting female a*sholes, but truly I believe getting CLL should help a ton with reducing the negative experiences I have dating as a short guy. I hope some of you can share what drove you to get CLL outside the context of dating because I really can't picture it on my own. If I had found a woman worth marrying and settled down before last year, I would never ever have done CLL.

Damn! You definitely seem to have run into a bevy of shallow, caddy b*itches it would seem. I totally agree that we are all, as they say, prisoners of our own experiences and I totally respect that and accept that everyone who does CLL has reasons that are significant enough for them and that aren’t the same reasons that I would want to undergo CLL. Anyways, I found your post to be very thought provoking and informative. At the end of the day, I think everyone who goes through the CLL journey (and I am not in that category - yet), does it, and should do it, for their own reasons and not for anyone else. I myself have been very lucky - on most fronts. I have a spouse who I have been married to for a long time; I have 2 wonderful children, a fantastic job, most everything I want, but still want to undertake the CLL journey for my own reasons. At its essence, perhaps some could just chalk it up to greed and I suppose I could see that misperception. After all, I am 5’7” (171.5 cm morning height) and that is comparatively lucky in the height department as opposed to others. Yet, I still want to go through with CLL - but just for myself and to take it to the next level on all other fronts. Could I live without it and have a very fine life? Absolutely. But, could I do it and find that my new height (179 cm hopefully) eliminates my height dysphoria altogether - forever - and I never have to measure myself both figuratively and literally every day for the rest of my life? Absolutely! So, maybe everyone has different experiences and thinks of primary motivators that are different, but at some level the primary motivator and take away perspective seems to be similar if not the same: self improvement and making the impossible now possible. Thanks for the thought provoking posts.

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