Do more people get away with 9cm-10cm on femur than we may have originally thought? Or are alot of the procedures fabricated and there is very little evidence of 9cm-10cm ever being successful? For someone to maintain a decent reputation for a decent period of time and be highly regarded whilst lengthening ungodly amounts, means they must have had some successful outcomes, no?
Seems there were even stories from Sarin where people lengthened 9cm and were "fine" although there were no logs.
Dr Augustin Betz (Neunkirchen, Germany) The Betz Institute 2015 Update
the price that listed here is just for operation and 2 weeks in clinic,and doesn't include tbe other time (recovery etc)Am i understand it correctly ?
"Die Behandlung der beidseitigen Oberschenkelverlängerung kostet etwa 52.000 €. Die beidseitige Unterschenkelverlängerung kostet ca. 55.700 €. In diesen Kosten sind die komplette Operation, beide Verlängerungsimplantate, der Krankenhausaufenthalt von ca. 14 Tagen, die physikalische Therapie während des Krankenhausaufenthaltes sowie sämtliche Kontrollen durch Prof. Dr. Betz während der Behandlungsdauer enthalten. Wenn Sie also beide Ober- und beide Unterschenkel verlängern, sind Sie mit dem Betzbone insgesamt bei ca. knapp 108.000 €."
Betzbone
Both femur: 52.000€
Both tibias 55.700€
Including: surgery, implants, clinic stay for 14 days, PT during the 14 days, all check ups during treatment
"Die Operation beider Oberschenkel würde sich dann auf ca. 63.000 € inklusive Krankenhausaufenthalt, Implantate und Operation belaufen, die Operation beider Unterschenkel würde ca. 67.000 € kosten."
Precise 2
Both femur: 63.000€
Both tibia: 67.000€
Including (see above)
thanks!
Wanting 9cm in femurs is so tempting.
Quote from: Johnson1111 on June 02, 2018, 05:45:34 PMDo more people get away with 9cm-10cm on femur than we may have originally thought? Or are alot of the procedures fabricated and there is very little evidence of 9cm-10cm ever being successful? For someone to maintain a decent reputation for a decent period of time and be highly regarded whilst lengthening ungodly amounts, means they must have had some successful outcomes, no?
Seems there were even stories from Sarin where people lengthened 9cm and were "fine" although there were no logs.
He just has a billion of cases. He does LL in the richest country in Europe.
If he didn't have success stories, no one would go to him. Regardless, 9-10cm is too much for the vast majority of people who want CLL.
To exemplify: one figure I've seen for femur size in this forum was 43cm (don't remember from which poster). 15% of that is 6.45cm. This falls in line with what is "folk knowledge" here: lengthening up to 6.5cm being the safer limit for femurs. The medical literature I've read on LL associates higher risks and complications from and above 20% of your initial bone length.
Someone would need to have 60cm femurs for 9cm to be equivalent (15% of their initial bone length), and 66.67cm femurs for 10cm to be the 15% equivalence. Even then, we don't really know if that is all there is to it - if the soft tissues would really behave/feel relatively the same after having been lengthened relatively the same with higher absolute numbers in one taller person, when compared to the equivalent in a shorter person (those values being lower in absolute numbers).
I know some people don't give a shxt about what I post because they collected all that money "and saw other people being fine", but I just try stating what I read in the medical literature those surgeons themselves wrote after operating on people like us.
Betz has new material since about 4-5 years and he seemed to have no more broken or bent nails. His new nail can do full weight bearing and up to 12 cm (4-5 inches)
Also he has got new you tube videos:
Who has got some experience?
I had a consultation with Dr. Betz and he was excellent:
* He really answers every question
* He is open to different opinions (i.e. if you question the Betzbone he is willing to discuss - even with people like me who don't have any medical education)
* He did not push me in any directions
Beside the facts already mentioned I have been quiet late at his office (18:30) because of a train delay. Even during these late hours he had a very positive attitude.
Are u kiddin me 20-22cm??I guess no one can go through Betz's death trap
Quote from: Johnson1111 on June 02, 2018, 05:45:34 PMDo more people get away with 9cm-10cm on femur than we may have originally thought? Or are alot of the procedures fabricated and there is very little evidence of 9cm-10cm ever being successful?
I know this comment is old but I want to put my history here for other readers. I did 10cm with Betz back in 2012 (9cm in the left femur, 10cm in the right one) and I'm great. 100% recovery.
I spent months in Germany for this and during that time I met tons of Betz patients. Most did around 7cm to 8cm, but there was a good amount of people doing around 9cm to 10cm like. Betz himself usually would not recommend more than 8. He actually asked me to stop at 8.
My recovery was so good that I actually regret not doing 10cm to 11cm, but hindsight is always 20/20 .
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