I would like to devote a couple moments to addressing my post where I shared my desperation about my size.
I understand how it could disturb folks who have not undergone lengthening, and who probably stand at a much smaller height, to witness such a distressing post. In fact, one of you called me an "attention seeker" even though I am simply opening up about my true feelings in my own personal diary. lol
Quote from: Deads on December 02, 2015, 01:23:55 AMWow Bohemia! How does the novelty of 8cm wear off that fast?!
Truth be told, I have a very unique style of dressing—sort of gothic and alternative, unusual for a man. I have always worn large 3.5 inch platform boots, long before I ever lengthened. Never once did a person accuse me of utilizing them for height, but rather they always commented that they matched my character or personality.
When I wear these boots today, I stand at 6'0". Behold, below:
I myself confess that I appear undeniably tall in that photo, and tower over 90% of people, especially women. In fact, it has become particularly apparent to me how short women are in general, an observation that has stuck out to me as I physically look down at them every day now.
When I remove these weird boots, and wear ordinary shoes that have a 1 inch heel, I feel small again, and the height dysphoria resumes as it did prior to the treatment. Needless to say, I cannot compare platform boots to normal shoes, but I honestly do not wish to tether myself to these kooky shoes forever just to feel sane.
Quote from: ouroboros on December 03, 2015, 02:27:43 PMSorry to hear how you are feeling. I agree with others when they say that it's too early to become accustomed to your new height. Just concentrate on your full recovery and don't worry too much about the world around you for now.
metamorphosis: a change of the form or nature of a thing or person into a completely different one, by natural or supernatural means.
this entire process(not just physical) takes time.
I agree. I will concentrate on completing this fully, then analyze my height later.
Quote from: Smallguy on December 02, 2015, 06:07:50 PMTo be honest, 5'8.5" is still small, even people who are 5'10 and 5'11 nowadays are still having height phobia.
The only height which is considered not small is 190cm+ who happens to be my German roommate. He actually told everyone he felt big. Or you can try and become a rap star who looks big on TV and in music but small in person.
Eventually there will come a day where we can increase 20cm+ safely and economically. Until then, I just be content with myself and check up the news once in a while for something positive.
Today's news... James Deen, pornstar who is watched by Taylor Swift, is 170cm. You're taller than him if that makes you feel better 
I never imagined I would agree, but truly, under 180 cm (or 190 as you said) does feel small, no matter how I cut it.
Standing taller than a notorious porn star does amuse me. lol And I am the same height as numerous famous Hollywood actors, and such.
Quote from: Devildog 0331 on December 02, 2015, 05:49:10 PM
I believe it's just the fact that now you know it's possible to get taller but congrats and wow 5' 8.5" is an amazing height in my eyes. But of course I'm only 5' 4" so that sounds great to me. I think you just need time and after 3-5 months if you still not satisfied then you have option.
Don't forget at what height you started 8cm is an enormous accomplishment
When I was 5'5.5" I dreamed of being over 5'7". So yes, I do agree with you.
Quote from: yagen on December 02, 2015, 09:33:27 AMBohemia,
you are the same with 8 cms more than before, You have now a bit more confidence.
You are the same without 8 Kg less than before. You have now a bit more confidence.
Enjoy the path and you new height. Give you time.
we are Never going to be enough tall to play in the NBA, you can know this.
Is you are a normal boy after LL you will be a normal boy but taller
Cheers
True, true.
Quote from: M on December 02, 2015, 06:51:59 AMI agree with Dave. You should take at least a year or two for yourself. Pursue some interest that you enjoy and just get LL out of your head while you recover. If after that time your height is still bothering you, you'll know what to do. It's been 5 years since I had the surgery. On the other hand, you don't want to wait too long because when it comes to healing, there's nothing like a young body. Don't waste your life in depression. Enjoy each step in the process and remember to celebrate the victories in your life as they come. DoingItForMe ... You're a bit taller than me. 5'9'' is a fine height 
Depression about the physical body does seem like a waste of time, especially when on paper my height seems perfectly acceptable. But when I stand beside people, I feel small again. It aggravates me.
Quote from: Alu on December 02, 2015, 03:58:33 AMI would argue for you too seek therapy in your case Bohemia. I can understand the need to keep going in terms of becoming even taller then what you've achieved but perhaps therapy could help alleviate some pain you're mentally feeling right now. Ultimately, I don't know it will work or not, but considering the implications of going through this process again you should try as best you can to make sure you're not gonna rush into it.
I have considered it, thank you.
Quote from: DoingItForMe on December 02, 2015, 04:35:47 AMLL doesn't cure depression and body dysmorphia. Those need to be cured psychologically.
Bohemia, try wearing some 1.5" shoes/shoe lifts for a while and seeing if this helps you with your height dysmorphia. If it doesn't, then another surgery probably won't cure it. I wear quite thick soled sneakers to get me to 5'10", and I don't feel short at all. My height dysmorphia is gone. I think you can get away with adding an inch to your shoes without anyone calling you out on it.
How tall are you now, M, to still feel short in the airport crowd after LL?
Yes, I definitely will—probably for the remainder of my life. Sigh. So be it.
Quote from: bigdave on December 02, 2015, 03:52:06 AMHey Bohemia! This is totally understandable. Remember at this very moment it is totally out of your control. At this moment you are going to have to let your body recuperate before you even can go in for another surgery. I urge you to not sweat this while it's out of your control. You made a great step in transforming your life. Take a step back and appreciate what you have achieved so far. Now it's time for you to dive into your work or whatever you were thinking you wanted to achieve after this last surgery. If in three months from now you want to do that surgery, awesome! You've just gone through some discipline to spend three months healing your body. That takes amazing commitment. Take 3 months to commit to another goal. It doesn't mean you are going to relinquish goal of having another surgery. It just means your mind needs something else to commit to while you heal from your existing surgery.
Very true! Thank you for the moral support. I have simply resigned myself to the next 8 months of bone osteogenesis. There is, as you said, nothing I can do besides that currently.
Quote from: M on December 02, 2015, 03:30:26 AMYou don't need therapy my friend. You need to be 5'10'' + ... I lengthened my femurs and experienced the same disappointment in the airport on the way home when I realized I still felt short in the crowd. In fact, I remember thinking to myself, "Wow, I don't feel much of a difference at all." The good news is that lengthening both segments gives the best visual result anyway. I'm going back for tibs for a few reasons: 1.) I still feel short 2.) my gait is off because my femurs are disproportionately long 3.) lengthening both segments most certainly produces the best aesthetic ... you'll look normal ... just a lot taller. I've enjoyed your diary so much. In your disappointment, don't forget that you've won something for yourself. What you did is unheard of in the general population. You just need a bit more ... Believe me, if you do your tibs also, your height will really pop. There won't be any doubt. I'm considering Monegal myself. Would you recommend him for internal tibias? I consulted with Mahboubian as well, but the price is steep in L.A. We'll see ...
Wow, so you agree with me, and will undergo a round two?!
Would you agree that the additional three inches or so has felt helpful, but did not revolutionize your height? I feel like I have finally become average size-wise, but it does not feel beautiful or exceptional as I have always dreamed.
For example, when I wear the platform boots, I feel like a gorgeous specimen of humanity. Honestly, the sense of standing above everyone else feels liberating. It sounds corny, but accurate! I possess a very strong personality, and my physical body does not quite match my character.
I definitely recommend Dr. Monegal. The guy still chats with me on Whatsapp every week for like a half hour. He will become a dear friend of yours.
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All in all, I did not mean to disturb or dishearten anyone—I still recommend limb lengthening at the moment. I feel about 50/50 on doing a second round, and finally sympathize with the men who do lengthening when they are already quite tall. I suspect the simplicity of the whole experience surprised me, and thus doing it again does not seem so crazy.
Dr. Monegal / Spain / Bilateral Femurs / Fitbone / August 25, 2015
Bohemia,
This brings up the question of how do you feel now with 8 cm in terms of proportions. Do you feel comfortable visually with those longer femurs now then before? Have you asked your friends/family members how you look with longer legs?
Are you really wiling to sacrifice proportionality for and extra 1-2"? I'm not criticizing you in any way shape or form; I'm asking for the sake of wanting to know how 8 cm extra in height feels and whether you are willing to give up proportionality.
Quote from: Alu on December 07, 2015, 07:33:34 PMBohemia,
This brings up the question of how do you feel now with 8 cm in terms of proportions. Do you feel comfortable visually with those longer femurs now then before? Have you asked your friends/family members how you look with longer legs?
Are you really wiling to sacrifice proportionality for and extra 1-2"? I'm not criticizing you in any way shape or form; I'm asking for the sake of wanting to know how 8 cm extra in height feels and whether you are willing to give up proportionality.
I have not mentioned this yet, but I always had thick muscular thighs, and this lengthening has elongated and narrowed the muscles in a way I almost cannot believe. Several women have seen me nude since the surgery and commented that my legs are very sexy and look different from before, and attributed it to me riding my bicycle every day. (They only know I did surgery, but not why.)
For whatever reason, I have simply never cared about proportionality. Dr. Paley explained to me in his office how Western culture likes disproportionately long legs—hence 5'10" female super models wear 6" high heels, etc, and have legs that "go for days."
Maybe I should care about proportions, but I just do not, for better or worse; I have broad, thick shoulders and a large head, so it sort of suits me. When Dr. Monegal saw me stand for the first time, he recognized how disproportionately *small* my legs were in contrast to my upper body. So unless I crossed into 6'0" territory, it does not concern me.
As a 5'10 guy with height dysphoria, I can understand a lot of why you feel as you do. It's just unfortunate and irrational, especially at my own height. But irrationality is part of what gives life color, and makes it an interesting and intriguing experience, though sometimes at the expense of happiness and comfort.
I can tell you from experience that at 5'9 and 5'10 (I was 5'9 for a long time before naturally squeezing out one more inch to get to 5'10) you won't face any discrimination or rude treatment because of your height. Everyone perceives your height as normal, even if you feel small. I don't think 5'8.5 would be that much different.
BUT, I think some people are just mentally a certain height, and physically being any other height feels "off" even if it's a very normal height. I really relate to your feelings about being at one's ideal height feeling liberating, even if there is no rational explanation for it.
I've personally gotten to the point where LL doesn't feel like a need, but more of a want. If you an also get to this point, it's not a bad place to be, but it does kind of stink to always have height insecurity lingering in the very back of the mind, sometimes rearing its head when you least expect it. But if you find things you love to do and do them often, and surround yourself with people who appreciate you, this can be kept to a minimum.
I think your proportions look good at 6'0. Not very normal, but honestly good.
Quote from: Taller on December 07, 2015, 11:03:26 PMAs a 5'10 guy with height dysphoria, I can understand a lot of why you feel as you do. It's just unfortunate and irrational, especially at my own height. But irrationality is part of what gives life color, and makes it an interesting and intriguing experience, though sometimes at the expense of happiness and comfort.
I can tell you from experience that at 5'9 and 5'10 (I was 5'9 for a long time before naturally squeezing out one more inch to get to 5'10) you won't face any discrimination or rude treatment because of your height. Everyone perceives your height as normal, even if you feel small. I don't think 5'8.5 would be that much different.
BUT, I think some people are just mentally a certain height, and physically being any other height feels "off" even if it's a very normal height. I really relate to your feelings about being at one's ideal height feeling liberating, even if there is no rational explanation for it.
I've personally gotten to the point where LL doesn't feel like a need, but more of a want. If you an also get to this point, it's not a bad place to be, but it does kind of stink to always have height insecurity lingering in the very back of the mind, sometimes rearing its head when you least expect it. But if you find things you love to do and do them often, and surround yourself with people who appreciate you, this can be kept to a minimum.
I can honestly say that I respect you a lot for this. I personally don't care who or at what height people get this surgery done, you can be 6'5 going to 6'7 and I personally wouldn't care. This is due to the fact that 99.99% of the human population won't be getting this surgery done (although let's face it if there was a biologically sound/safe and proportionally elongated method of increasing one's height it'd be the most popular cosmetic procedure) and I believe in one's right to do whatever they want with their bodies (ignorant of the effects or not). But, what I feel is most important is realizing the reason why you're doing it. If one of your reason for doing LL is simply to feel superior to your fellow man or over inflate your ego or simply for dating purposes then really that's bottom of the barrel reason to do it. LL mainly serves to get rid of that weight of feeling insecure.
Another aspect is realizing that at a certain height you're not in any dire situation. Case in point a 5'10 male living in America feeling short next to some 6'0+ dudes. Sure he's short in that aspect and that might want to drive him to become that height considering his situation, but he is not in any way comparable to someone below 5'7. This brings me to the other point that since we are all so height-minded we feel the massive need to either be average or surpass it, but it's sometimes ok just be at average or slightly below average if that's all one can reasonably max out at with LL (I'm referring to the subjective limit in one's own proportions here not anything else). Just be happy that we live in an age where we can increase our height and play with those cards; and know that you don't/shouldn't quantify the value of happiness to a number.
I would like to mention a few things related to your recent post. In my experience, your feelings are completely normal. The problem with this procedure is that you go into it with the expectation that you will come out of it looking and feeling exactly like the tall, beautiful person you have imagined in your dreams. However ... as always ... the dream must be confronted with the reality. In reality, you are still slightly below average height ... and so it is not unreasonable for you to sometimes feel short in a crowd. You will find that, in some situations, you really notice the height difference ... and at other times, not so much. The other problem is that - as you mentioned - you plan and work toward the procedure for years (in my case) and then, before you know it, it's over and done with. You expect the fight of your life ... and then in turns out to be much easier than you ever imagined (dare I say, the process is boring!) You are left with a tremendous amount of residual energy and motivation. The truth is (depending on what height you start out at), 3 inches just might not be enough to satiate you. This in no way negates how miraculous this procedure is. Although my initial reaction was disappointment, I have learned to be more dispassionate in my analysis. In my own situation, it will be necessary to do a second lengthening to achieve the desired result. It would have been more convenient to do it once and be satisfied, but that didn't turn out to be the reality (for me). You have made all the right moves so far. If you're a certain type of person (like me), you'll end up going back for more. But you owe it to yourself to take some time to yourself now. Sit back for a while and celebrate this tremendous accomplishment in your life. People overcome adversity everyday ... but you overcame your BIOLOGY!!!
Quote from: Taller on December 07, 2015, 11:03:26 PMAs a 5'10 guy with height dysphoria, I can understand a lot of why you feel as you do. It's just unfortunate and irrational, especially at my own height. But irrationality is part of what gives life color, and makes it an interesting and intriguing experience, though sometimes at the expense of happiness and comfort.
I can tell you from experience that at 5'9 and 5'10 (I was 5'9 for a long time before naturally squeezing out one more inch to get to 5'10) you won't face any discrimination or rude treatment because of your height. Everyone perceives your height as normal, even if you feel small. I don't think 5'8.5 would be that much different.
BUT, I think some people are just mentally a certain height, and physically being any other height feels "off" even if it's a very normal height. I really relate to your feelings about being at one's ideal height feeling liberating, even if there is no rational explanation for it.
I've personally gotten to the point where LL doesn't feel like a need, but more of a want. If you an also get to this point, it's not a bad place to be, but it does kind of stink to always have height insecurity lingering in the very back of the mind, sometimes rearing its head when you least expect it. But if you find things you love to do and do them often, and surround yourself with people who appreciate you, this can be kept to a minimum.
I think your proportions look good at 6'0. Not very normal, but honestly good.
Yes, I agree. I wished for 5'7"+ because I considered anything above 5'6" to seem reasonable or passable on paper—in the sense that it may not qualify as tall, but it still does not necessarily fall under the category of short.
I also would distinguish between "eliminating shortness" and "becoming tall" as you alluded. At the moment, if I underwent a second round, it would be to "become tall" as opposed to "eliminating shortness."
Quote from: Alu on December 08, 2015, 12:15:09 AMI can honestly say that I respect you a lot for this. I personally don't care who or at what height people get this surgery done, you can be 6'5 going to 6'7 and I personally wouldn't care. This is due to the fact that 99.99% of the human population won't be getting this surgery done (although let's face it if there was a biologically sound/safe and proportionally elongated method of increasing one's height it'd be the most popular cosmetic procedure) and I believe in one's right to do whatever they want with their bodies (ignorant of the effects or not). But, what I feel is most important is realizing the reason why you're doing it. If one of your reason for doing LL is simply to feel superior to your fellow man or over inflate your ego or simply for dating purposes then really that's bottom of the barrel reason to do it. LL mainly serves to get rid of that weight of feeling insecure.
Another aspect is realizing that at a certain height you're not in any dire situation. Case in point a 5'10 male living in America feeling short next to some 6'0+ dudes. Sure he's short in that aspect and that might want to drive him to become that height considering his situation, but he is not in any way comparable to someone below 5'7. This brings me to the other point that since we are all so height-minded we feel the massive need to either be average or surpass it, but it's sometimes ok just be at average or slightly below average if that's all one can reasonably max out at with LL (I'm referring to the subjective limit in one's own proportions here not anything else). Just be happy that we live in an age where we can increase our height and play with those cards; and know that you don't/shouldn't quantify the value of happiness to a number.
I consider this a very wise post by you—to acknowledge the difference between "eliminating height dysphoria" and "becoming beautiful" and such. They do fall under different categories in my brain.
Quote from: M on December 08, 2015, 05:03:44 AMI would like to mention a few things related to your recent post. In my experience, your feelings are completely normal. The problem with this procedure is that you go into it with the expectation that you will come out of it looking and feeling exactly like the tall, beautiful person you have imagined in your dreams. However ... as always ... the dream must be confronted with the reality. In reality, you are still slightly below average height ... and so it is not unreasonable for you to sometimes feel short in a crowd. You will find that, in some situations, you really notice the height difference ... and at other times, not so much. The other problem is that - as you mentioned - you plan and work toward the procedure for years (in my case) and then, before you know it, it's over and done with. You expect the fight of your life ... and then in turns out to be much easier than you ever imagined (dare I say, the process is boring!) You are left with a tremendous amount of residual energy and motivation. The truth is (depending on what height you start out at), 3 inches just might not be enough to satiate you. This in no way negates how miraculous this procedure is. Although my initial reaction was disappointment, I have learned to be more dispassionate in my analysis. In my own situation, it will be necessary to do a second lengthening to achieve the desired result. It would have been more convenient to do it once and be satisfied, but that didn't turn out to be the reality (for me). You have made all the right moves so far. If you're a certain type of person (like me), you'll end up going back for more. But you owe it to yourself to take some time to yourself now. Sit back for a while and celebrate this tremendous accomplishment in your life. People overcome adversity everyday ... but you overcame your BIOLOGY!!!
You hit the nail on the head. I expected radicalness, and instead reality sort of grounded me again.
I will say however, that I now stand at about the same height as I did in my platform boots prior to undergoing the treatment. So I secretly joke with myself that I implanted the boots into my legs.
Hello y'all, apparently the moderators have unlocked my diary. LOL I still have no idea what I personally did that disrupted any rules, but say hello again to Bohemia.
I would like to post a video that exhibits my latest climbing of steps up and down.
Also, photos of my leg proportions lying down on a couch, and current scars.
good to see you back! recovery looks very good. could you upload a video with you walking on the floor? what's your level of pain now and your bone recovery like?
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