QuoteWho are the best cll surgeons in Europe in your opinion?
Dr. Peter Thaller in Germany. That's it.
https://bethelnet.de/krankenhaus-bethel-berlin/zentren/3d-chirurgie-eng/#videos
Quote from: uponly on April 22, 2023, 01:52:05 AMDr. Peter Thaller in Germany. That's it.
https://bethelnet.de/krankenhaus-bethel-berlin/zentren/3d-chirurgie-eng/#videos
Okay thanks will look into him, as you can see everyone on this forum are recommending different doctors, how can I be completely sure that I have chosen the right doctor before I do my surgery?
It isnt exactly easy to do research on these different doctors. What would you recommend?
Quote from: uponly on April 22, 2023, 01:52:05 AMDr. Peter Thaller in Germany. That's it.
https://bethelnet.de/krankenhaus-bethel-berlin/zentren/3d-chirurgie-eng/#videos
I agree. I think it is the best option in Germany.
These are S tier / Premium doctors
Dr. Dror Paley - Usa
Dr. Robert Rozbruch - Usa
Dr. Donghoon Lee - Korea
Dr. Peter Thaller - Germany
Dr. Mustafa Gökhan Bilgili - Turkey
Dr. Tetsworth - Australia
Dr. Hiroyuki - Japan
Dr. Zang Jian Cheng - China
Dr. Antti Ritvanen - Finland
These doctors are the best orthopedists in those countries.
Quote from: oklama on February 12, 2023, 10:50:45 PMlets have a fun activity for the insane asylum today
everyone rank every doctor you feel like you know anything about, you can explain or not explain your rankings
S tier: paley, assayag, rozbruch
A tier: mahboubian, giotikas, Becker
B Tier: Debiparshad, Guichet
C tier: Parihar
F. Halil Buldu, Sedat, Sarin
This is just my general idea, dont take this too serious as im not super well informed on most doctors
Ranking physicians without a novel publication history or medical background? Makes sense.
Quote from: Sigma on April 21, 2023, 12:30:03 PMLet me tell you what you should stay away from instead of S tiers.
Doctors and companies to avoid:
1- Athensbjr - Giotikas
2- Livelifetaller - Halil buldu - Sedat
3- Wannabetaller - Yunus
4- Yuksel Yurttas
5- Limblengthening-center - Serkan Gurcan
6- Lengthening Turkey - Fatih arslanoglu
7- AFA - Mustafa uysal
8- Stay away from countries like egypt - iran - india - greece - armenia - russia
You will be fine if you operate on any doctor except those on this list.
Hey, can you tell why you added AFA Dr Mustafa to the list? Do we have bad experiences with him
Quote from: Ayesha12345 on June 25, 2023, 09:32:30 PMHey, can you tell why you added AFA Dr Mustafa to the list? Do we have bad experiences with him
Yo, I have seen many videos and I am a master of CLL in Asian countries. I have seen many patients become crippled and suffer crying. You can even search for groups on other platforms related to this. They show people their patients who are successful, if only they could show patients who were failing and suffering, screaming and crying. Also, dr Mustafa Uysal is not a good doctor. He learned that there is money in the cll industry, so he is a butcher and money lover like dr Halil Buldu.
Quote from: Sigma on June 26, 2023, 10:23:39 PMYo, I have seen many videos and I am a master of CLL in Asian countries. I have seen many patients become crippled and suffer crying. You can even search for groups on other platforms related to this. They show people their patients who are successful, if only they could show patients who were failing and suffering, screaming and crying. Also, dr Mustafa Uysal is not a good doctor. He learned that there is money in the cll industry, so he is a butcher and money lover like dr Halil Buldu.
Being here 4 months, I have seen around 12 patients leave during this time, not a single one of them left crying or suffering. If anything, I would say I have had the worst experience here yet even I wouldn't blame Dr Mustafa for the most part. Most other patients that have already left, were walking and happy. I think maybe 1-2 had small complications. And you can't be much of a master in CLL for Asian countries otherwise you'd have realised that 80% of AFA patients are Asian.
Quote from: GrowTow on June 27, 2023, 02:20:25 PMBeing here 4 months, I have seen around 12 patients leave during this time, not a single one of them left crying or suffering. If anything, I would say I have had the worst experience here yet even I wouldn't blame Dr Mustafa for the most part. Most other patients that have already left, were walking and happy. I think maybe 1-2 had small complications. And you can't be much of a master in CLL for Asian countries otherwise you'd have realised that 80% of AFA patients are Asian.
I don't care if 12 good patients are well or not. They also never put the bad ones in the same place as you. I know that 80% of customers come from Asian countries and all those who have complications are from Asian countries. I already wrote this before you. They mostly come from Asian countries and they get ripped off. Each person has a different price depending on the country they come to, lol. Also, the fact that 80% comes from Asian countries, naturally, the complication made it possible for Asians to live. It matches what I'm saying. Many were crippled and in excruciating pain.
There was an idiot dr yuksel yurttas patient @shortisnotfun and defended him . We told him he was crippling people and not to go to that doctor. Now he hates that doctor. You are the same. You were going to have surgery in Dr. Yuksel yurttas before, now AFA lol. Keep on the defensive. Same on both. Disabled people have many telegram groups. You can see the videos of the victims of AFA - LIVELIFETALLER - WANNABETALLER AND DR YUKSEL YURTTAS. Really +18 videos. So seeing people suffering made me think twice about having surgery. There are many people on this forum who have seen those videos.
Quote from: Sigma on June 27, 2023, 02:48:14 PMI don't care if 12 good patients are well or not. They also never put the bad ones in the same place as you. I know that 80% of customers come from Asian countries and all those who have complications are from Asian countries. I already wrote this before you. They mostly come from Asian countries and they get ripped off. Each person has a different price depending on the country they come to, lol. Also, the fact that 80% comes from Asian countries, naturally, the complication made it possible for Asians to live. It matches what I'm saying. Many were crippled and in excruciating pain.
There was an idiot dr yuksel yurttas patient @shortisnotfun and defended him . We told him he was crippling people and not to go to that doctor. Now he hates that doctor. You are the same. You were going to have surgery in Dr. Yuksel yurttas before, now AFA lol. Keep on the defensive. Same on both. Disabled people have many telegram groups. You can see the videos of the victims of AFA - LIVELIFETALLER - WANNABETALLER AND DR YUKSEL YURTTAS. Really +18 videos. So seeing people suffering made me think twice about having surgery. There are many people on this forum who have seen those videos.
1) They don't put the bad ones with us? There is only 1 hotel we all stay at. We are always aware of new patients, we meet them before the surgery. There has never been a patient who all of a sudden has been moved to somewhere else or gone missing. I have seen everyone arrive and leave. We literally have a board with everyone's name and progress written, we all know each other. There's no such thing as the bad ones being taken away somewhere else. If that was the case, i'd be the first one taken.
2) Nobody is getting ripped off, we are not stupid, we can openly talk about how much everyone has paid and there is no difference, the price is fixed for everybody. The only people ripping us off is the hotel so some people choose to live in Airbnbs instead.
3) I've been here 4 months and nobody has been crippled. Everyone has gone home to their country being able to walk, I am the closest to being crippled because I had to do an achilles release yet even I am still positive and recovery well.
4) I was defending Dr Yurttas before I had ever met him, once I did meet him, I made it very clear, in a lot of detail that he is a garbage doctor. Whereas, I am here with AFA and even 4 months later after ballerina and needing a follow up surgery, I can still say they are good.
5) I have yet to see any such video of patients being unhappy or crippled by AFA. You have never done this surgery, you have never met with an LL company, you'll probably never even have the balls or the money to do this. Until you actually have some first hand experience, keep your mouth shut, you are the least qualified to be giving any opinion about a tier-list, all you do is sit in bed and read this forum for several hours a day.
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