Quote from: YourSpaceBoyfriend on June 18, 2021, 01:16:22 PMLol
Point is nothing in life is black and white
There is. Short and tall are pretty much black and white.
Quote from: YourSpaceBoyfriend on June 18, 2021, 08:40:34 PMWe can give borderline examples like that forever, problem is it still proves my point, nothing in life is black and white and u will never have someone equal but better in only height.
A long time ago, I used to think exactly like this. Why? Because I wasn't ready to face the truth that my height is a legit handicap which puts me at a greater disadvantage than I initially thought.
That's why I always looked for reasoning like shorter = easier to gain muscle or something like that. Making up bull s basically. But in the end, the problem is legit and never solved.
Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on June 18, 2021, 04:05:26 PMUnfortulately yeah. 
Imagine being a girl and choosing between a surfer who's 6'1 and 220 pounds or a 5'8 gym-obsessed roided-up bodybuilder at 220 pounds.
I tried to get buff but quit because it was really hard, life-consuming, and just doesn't matter much. Go for the LL.
Anyway, nothing's preventing the 6'1" surfer from going to the GYM as well.
Quote from: DonBones on June 18, 2021, 04:26:18 PMHad the same notion for a long time - that a long reach guarantees victory. Then I saw Khabib down McGregor before choking him out for good. There was a time when the world looked at McGregor in awe, giving him god-like status as if he was invincible. Khabib kind of ended that period in McGregor's career then and there.
Being impressed, I did some research after and learned that one of the best boxers of all time, Rocky Marciano, had a reach that was 2 inches shorter than his height.
Not saying that being short is better or anything, as it certainly is not all things considered, but long arms or stature do not guarantee victory in a fight with another man. There will be the Khabibs and Marcianos who have learned to find their way around long arms.
Nothing is guaranteed. Just because the fighter who has shorter arms but more skilled wins doesn't mean it's not a disadvantage. Khabib is tall for his weight class by the way. He's taller than McGregor.
Quote from: TSF2025 on June 18, 2021, 09:36:00 PMThere is. Short and tall are pretty much black and white.
Because that's the only traits people have lol
Besides u can be tall in one country and short in another. You can be short for someone even doe u think ur tall.
Quote from: YourSpaceBoyfriend on June 18, 2021, 09:43:43 PMBecause that's the only traits people have lol
Besides u can be tall in one country and short in another. You can be short for someone even doe u think ur tall.
Lol this is an even bigger joke. So a 5'7" white man should move to Cambodia or some place like that just so he can feel tall/normal. lol
Where should a 5'3" man move to to feel normal?
Quote from: TSF2025 on June 18, 2021, 09:46:54 PMLol this is an even bigger joke. So a 5'7" white man should move to Cambodia or some place like that just so he can feel tall/normal. lol
Where should a 5'3" man move to to feel normal?
Again, i never said that. I love how u make up stuff towards my arguments just so it will suit ur extreme cases.
Height is objective, being short/tall is subjective. Shades of grey.
Quote from: TSF2025 on June 18, 2021, 09:36:00 PMA long time ago, I used to think exactly like this. Why? Because I wasn't ready to face the truth that my height is a legit handicap which puts me at a greater disadvantage than I initially thought.
That's why I always looked for reasoning like shorter = easier to gain muscle or something like that. Making up bull s basically. But in the end, the problem is legit and never solved.
I don't think ur height is ur handicap
Quote from: Realistic on May 12, 2021, 04:11:52 AMHow do you guys handle rejection by women for being short?
How do you move on?
For me, it stays with me for a long time esp. when I see that most of my friends are able to get dates much more easily..
I usually try to distract by focusing on work
First of all, you have to check if you were actually rejected for being short or not.
Women tend to be very vocal and explicit when they reject someone for being short - they will tell you, to your face, that you are too short.
If she didn't, it's not because of your height, but for some other reason and you have to improve this, otherwise you will be frustrated with LL when you discover it won't fix all of your dating problems.
I mean why you need to retain this in your mind? Being rejected in dating is pretty normal and you should be mentally prepared for getting rejected unless you have 188cm Brad Pitt face billions of dollars etc.. If you are afraid of getting rejected just don't date.
And just like someone else said, you could still get rejected after getting taller by LL, but if you don't have other s of course the chance of getting rejected will decrease a lot.
Also, I agree with YourSpaceBoyFriend. Lots of people here are overestimating the benefits of being tall. Of course being tall benefits a lot in dating and self-esteem, in some cases occupations of course, but don't treat like you gotta be average/tall otherwise you don't deserve to live. If you are insane at your pre-LL height, you will still be insane after LL.
Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on June 18, 2021, 04:05:26 PMUnfortulately yeah. Imagine being a girl and choosing between a surfer who's 6'1 and 220 pounds or a 5'8 gym-obsessed roided-up bodybuilder at 220 pounds.
I tried to get buff but quit because it was really hard, life-consuming, and just doesn't matter much. Go for the LL.
Although 2 years after, between these two first of all the genetic superior is someone who packed 220 pounds full of muscles at 5.8 compared to a skinny surfer who most of the times looks like a sissy.
And that has nothing to with what some random girl would prefer. Megan Fox dated the clown called MGK, that doesn't mean that he is superior genetically or that a true man should look like him.
And yes, muscles are important for a man. Not to extreme full of roids degree but always a man with a wide back amd some big arms will look superior to the average man, even he is shorter but still anout average at height.
Quote from: Body Builder on June 11, 2023, 11:52:43 PMAlthough 2 years after, between these two first of all the genetic superior is someone who packed 220 pounds full of muscles at 5.8 compared to a skinny surfer who most of the times looks like a sissy.
And that has nothing to with what some random girl would prefer. Megan Fox dated the clown called MGK, that doesn't mean that he is superior genetically or that a true man should look like him.
And yes, muscles are important for a man. Not to extreme full of roids degree but always a man with a wide back amd some big arms will look superior to the average man, even he is shorter but still anout average at height.
It depends on the context, and male-gaze vs female-gaze.
I love lifting and follow professional bodybuilding, but I'll be honest. Most women really just want a """ripped""" guy with abs. Having abs is the #1 most important thing to a woman when it comes to physique. Of course, we men care about the chest, how the back flows into the v-taper, the calves(most women do not care about this lol), bicep peaks, quad sweep, etc. Perhaps women care about things like shoulders and traps after since it helps to build your frame and a wide neck is masculine/dominant looking, but unironically having abs is going to be the #1 thing that women care about. Men care about striations in the hamstrings, women do not, lol. Only a small niche of women would prefer the opposite.
So in a romantic aspect, the surfer dude would likely win.
In a gladiator fight, the gym rat would likely win.
Does that mean one is "genetically superior" to another? I don't know, or I don't think so.
edit;
I forgot to add, women do not care about how much you can bench/squat/deadlift. The only women that do are other gymrats...specifically the actual ones. Not the girls that just do cardio or weird "booty blaster exercises" they found on some strange instagram fitness page, riddled with "buy my tea!" and other products, mlms, and scams. Most women that go to the gym don't benchpress...so why would you expect them to care how much you can? Men, on the other hand, would absolutely love to talk about it. Even men that don't anymore. How often have you heard "Back in my day, I could bench 475!"
The point that I'm making is that the male-gaze and female-gaze are different. But we can all agree, height will absolutely boost your attractiveness lol.
I never said that women care how much you bench press or squat because of course they don't.
But no, women don't look first the abs in a man's appearance.
They look the v shape in his upper body, his arms and then his chest and abs.
I am not saying of.course that a man with a huge belly is attractive because he may have a wide back but if he has an almost flat belly, even withoyt visible abs, he would be perfect for most women of he has the other thimgs I mentioned.
After all abs can't be seen with clothes on while back, arms etc can.
And maybe in usa women would prefer the sissy like types of wind surfing boys I don't know but in Europe, especially in the east, women want strong men and would never consider dating a surfer type guy.
Quote from: Body Builder on June 12, 2023, 07:46:29 AMI never said that women care how much you bench press or squat because of course they don't.
But no, women don't look first the abs in a man's appearance.
They look the v shape in his upper body, his arms and then his chest and abs.
I am not saying of.course that a man with a huge belly is attractive because he may have a wide back but if he has an almost flat belly, even withoyt visible abs, he would be perfect for most women of he has the other thimgs I mentioned.
After all abs can't be seen with clothes on while back, arms etc can.
And maybe in usa women would prefer the sissy like types of wind surfing boys I don't know but in Europe, especially in the east, women want strong men and would never consider dating a surfer type guy.
I see what you mean. There could be a difference between EE and the USA for the things you mentioned.
Another important point is that abs are not just about the abs themselves, but being lean, and being lean = better facial features. Especially on a man where a defined jawline is incredibly important for attraction, being lean will help immensely with that. Less general bloat, too, which will help with the "hollow cheeks" effect (buccal fat removal is a procedure some do instead of losing weight, but it's terrible in the long term)
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