¿ Have your dating life changed in any sense after lenghtening?

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Quote from: BetzLandLiberator on January 29, 2020, 05:43:35 AMbut the majority of women are disgusted with short males. It's an evolutionary thing, they can't control.
It was like I only became an adult in women's eyes after getting my LL.

you're right but thinking about it, this makes me anxious af. i dont have enough money to go under surgery right now and i basically dont even want to leave my house actually. 

and if you have a high libido like me, you're basically fked until you get the surgery. because no woman you like, likes you back. and i dont want to be with anyone i dont like just because i need sxx.

like im fking damned man.

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Quote from: Fox on February 24, 2020, 07:39:55 PMyou're right but thinking about it, this makes me anxious af. i dont have enough money to go under surgery right now and i basically dont even want to leave my house actually. 

and if you have a high libido like me, you're basically fked until you get the surgery. because no woman you like, likes you back. and i dont want to be with anyone i dont like just because i need sxx.

like im fking damned man.

You must be my twin because you sound exactly like me to the tee.  I got high libido but don't wanna go around hooking up with any girl that has a pulse, I like high value women and it's like a curse when you're older and being short or average is a deal breaker because there's literally 100s of men knocking on the doors of high value girls, so they can afford to be picky and automatically filter out guys that aren't tall because not being tall is an unattractive trait.

After a few bad experiences I don't feel like going out either, I know it's the wrong attitude to have but I just don't feel like going through the same   and headaches in the dating world that short guys gotta deal with, especially being older.  I'm told all the time I'm a good looking guy but being short negates it, I don't blame women or hold a grudge at them, it's just the way society is, and women want to date men and not little boys.

Probably best I don't go out anyway because I'll just be wasting time and money dating out of my league due to my height.  Saving as much as I can over the next year and a half to get LL done and get on with my life. 

I hate to sound negative but it's reality to a large extent.

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Quote from: Futureller on February 24, 2020, 08:46:25 PMYou must be my twin because you sound exactly like me to the tee.  I got high libido but don't wanna go around hooking up with any girl that has a pulse, I like high value women and it's like a curse when you're older and being short or average is a deal breaker because there's literally 100s of men knocking on the doors of high value girls, so they can afford to be picky and automatically filter out guys that aren't tall because not being tall is an unattractive trait.

After a few bad experiences I don't feel like going out either, I know it's the wrong attitude to have but I just don't feel like going through the same   and headaches in the dating world that short guys gotta deal with, especially being older.  I'm told all the time I'm a good looking guy but being short negates it, I don't blame women or hold a grudge at them, it's just the way society is, and women want to date men and not little boys.

Probably best I don't go out anyway because I'll just be wasting time and money dating out of my league due to my height.  Saving as much as I can over the next year and a half to get LL done and get on with my life. 

I hate to sound negative but it's reality to a large extent.

yeah man i feel you, i've had no bad reactions to my height (yet!) but i know some women denied me just because of my height and i really cant blame them. i want good looking girl(s) in my life, heck it doesnt have to be huge value women as well, i'll settle if only someone i like, likes me back but i really dont feel confident about myself since majority of women i see on the streets are with the guys taller than them. and im short than most men either.

height isnt the number one factor actually, its the confidence you project. as a short guy how much confidence you can have really, when nearly everyone, even your male friends takes you less seriously? or when you are MUCH easier to messed with, mocked with, what happens? you try to / start to thicken your outer shell. thats why i'm always seen as someone always angry. i'm a flirtatious bastard with women but my friggin height limits me like damn. many girl feels like they are out of my league.

i feel like im not a normal fking person due to / thanks to society, media, hollywood, anything. but i really cant blame anyone. its my fking genes and i have to change this. (friggin money needed)

once a girl told me ( she was much taller than i am ), that i would be too perfect if i was taller, lol. and even if i do add 14 cm to my legs, i will be 179.5 barefoot. with shoes i'll be easily 1.81 or 1.82. not that tall again, but definitely not short and even now i can foresee the change in my life when that happens. heck even reading this forum gives me a little bit of confidence that i will be / i can be tall one day.

so..

mOnEY biTCH

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do you have a pic of you so I can check out your proportions? I'm similar height to you and I'm looking for a similar gain

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@Fox and futureller:

I know how you feel. We all have self-doubt, insecurity and fear of failure. Before LL I had nights where I would go out and say to myself, 'I'm too short, other guys are taller, other guys are richer, other guys are just better. I just don't have it. So why bother. I just want to chill and give up on the idea of getting the women I truly desire because I'm not the ideal male archetype.' When I noticed myself adopting this negative mindset I had to slap myself out of it. I knew and accepted height mattered in society, the world wasn't fair, we aren't all born equal, I didn't deny it, but I also didn't surrender to it. I embraced it.

I am so glad I embraced it. Having height neurosis and STILL persevering to get the women I wanted was like living life as a video game with the difficulty set at hard. This gave me the opportunity to build around other positive aspects of my life like my career, lifestyle, personality, fitness and conversational skills so that even as a below average in height man with severe height neurosis, I still viewed myself as a high value man.....with that mindset an amazing thing happened, women started seeing me as a high value man too.

For the majority of my adult life, living with height neurosis, I acted as though I was never going to get LL and optimized life as best I could with what I had and what was in my control. And it worked. I lived a life of abundance with women despite being below average in height. Suddenly when the stars aligned and I was fortunate enough to move forward with LL, doing LL became a huge enhancement to what was already a high value man, instead of marking the beginning of a high value man. That same video game of life difficulty level setting was suddenly adjusted down to 'easy' and I couldn't be happier. The point I'm trying to make is LL isn't going to transform us into casanovas, it can only enhance an already existing casanova.

If you view LL as some sort of delayed gratification plan to life that you are waiting for to change things upside down, you will lose. Start living life now because you are capable today. 

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Quote from: Fox on February 24, 2020, 09:46:23 PMyeah man i feel you, i've had no bad reactions to my height (yet!) but i know some women denied me just because of my height and i really cant blame them. i want good looking girl(s) in my life, heck it doesnt have to be huge value women as well, i'll settle if only someone i like, likes me back but i really dont feel confident about myself since majority of women i see on the streets are with the guys taller than them. and im short than most men either.

height isnt the number one factor actually, its the confidence you project. as a short guy how much confidence you can have really, when nearly everyone, even your male friends takes you less seriously? or when you are MUCH easier to messed with, mocked with, what happens? you try to / start to thicken your outer shell. thats why i'm always seen as someone always angry. i'm a flirtatious bastard with women but my friggin height limits me like damn. many girl feels like they are out of my league.

i feel like im not a normal fking person due to / thanks to society, media, hollywood, anything. but i really cant blame anyone. its my fking genes and i have to change this. (friggin money needed)

once a girl told me ( she was much taller than i am ), that i would be too perfect if i was taller, lol. and even if i do add 14 cm to my legs, i will be 179.5 barefoot. with shoes i'll be easily 1.81 or 1.82. not that tall again, but definitely not short and even now i can foresee the change in my life when that happens. heck even reading this forum gives me a little bit of confidence that i will be / i can be tall one day.

so..

mOnEY biTCH

Exactly agreed lol.   If these dudes have confidence issues now with women. Them being TALLER isn’t going to help y’all. They got no confidence.  I get girls TALLER than me alot of the time. You have to just love yourself. So if you doing something this drastic it’s to better YOU. Not getting it to increase your  supposed pussy ratio lol.

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Hi The Alchemist,

Thanks for this great feedback and totally agree with you : the height increase will have a positive impact only if the rest is also there.

But as it seems you spent time before undergoing the surgery to be sure it was the good decision, I would definitively be interested if you elaborate on the following (of course, if other who undergo the surgery can add their experience it would be great)  :

1) How do you exactly notice that the height gain is positive with women ?  Could it be the same than a girl who suddendly start to wear high heels (all the guys will definitvely be more interested by her) ?
 Do you feel women look more at you in bars, streets...?
Or are they more responsive when you engage with them ?

I see you are chasing high quality women (same for me) and with lower quality women, I sometimes had the girl chasing me or being really responsive. But it almost never happen to me with high quality women : I am always the one chasing them. Was it also the case for you ? And now this high quality women are directly more into you ?

2) In your particular case, your previous height with lifts was about your actual height without lift. So in fact, for you women should perceive you almost as tall as before. Thus, how can you explain that you feel it is easier with high quality women ?
Is it just because your confidence increase (and not because of the actual height increase) that these girls are more responsive ?

3) You said you already went to a couple of date. But how it went after the first drink ?
Indeed, in my case, to start a relation ship with high quality women (casual or not), the drink was rarely enough. After this drink, some other activities where necessary like going clubbing with active dancing with her, or doing sports together, or whatever, and in bed of course being active and dominant.
For most of these activities, you need to be at least being able to do all movements without difficulty.

So how it goes for you after this first date ? Do you start "losing points" because you are not able to provide it or do you have a different experience ? Or maybe do you explain directly you have an injury so limited ability ?

4) Finally, last point as I am also interested to get your point of view : in my opinion, to be a high quality man, you should also have a busy and active lifestyle and not being only the one working and chasing girls.
In my case, sports plays an important role. I indeed find I increase my value by being part of different sports community such as the football corporate tournament with my firm or playing with my friends various sports like tennis or others. And you aslo start to gain a kind of respect by being good at various kind of sports, which at the end can help you to get girls (especially if you are looking for girls into sports as well)
And with this surgery, there is a risk that you cannot really participate to this kind of activities (the only few studies for sports after limb lengthening shows moderate difficutly to participate to active sports)
 
What is your opinion about it ? I don't know if you are into sports but if you are, do you still feel that a height increase compensate this lost ?


Many thanks again as your different feedback really help to see why and how LL is worth it! Of course, LL is very personnal but still it helps to get opinion of veteran.

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Quote from: 5cm Stryde on February 25, 2020, 12:18:49 PMHi The Alchemist,

Thanks for this great feedback and totally agree with you : the height increase will have a positive impact only if the rest is also there.

But as it seems you spent time before undergoing the surgery to be sure it was the good decision, I would definitively be interested if you elaborate on the following (of course, if other who undergo the surgery can add their experience it would be great)  :

Great questions 5cmStryde! It's only been less than 2 months since I've been out enjoying the new height, I've been limited in my mobility, and I've stayed in one city the whole time so my experience so far isn't robust or comprehensive:

1) In general I get a lot more looks and smiles. From groceries to coffee shops to bars. It could all be in my head because post LL I'm on hyper alert because I'm actively working on my gait. It could even be that girls notice my abnormal gait and stare and and I've mistaken that for something else lol.

Post LL I've had 4 girls randomly say to me I'm tall in random public places. Every date I've been on or girl I've chatted up has mentioned I'm tall. This only happened twice before when I wore lifts for nearly 5 years.
 
I don't have any high value / hot women chasing me post LL. I'm still the one chasing them I think hot top tier women are socially conditioned to be chased.  But I do notice that the taller ones are more receptive to me post LL.

2) I recently did a quick A/B test and found that I was only getting about 1.5 inches with my lifts (they were advertised as 2.25). This results in a net 1.5 inch gain with LL. I was probably 5'11.5 ish with lifts and now post LL with shoes I'm 6'1. I think this is where you cross the threshold from average to tall ish.

As you mentioned my confidence probably has a lot to do with it. I didn't realize back then, but when I wore lifts I was ashamed of what I was doing and in a state of denial which probably had an effect on how I interacted with women.

3) After the date it gets much harder in my current state due to my weak glutes and hips. All I can really do is walk at a slow pace, sit, and chat. As you said I can't be aggressive or dominating due to my fragile physical state. I probably hung out and dated with 7 girls, and I only had sxx with 2. I told all of them I was injured in a car accident. With sxx I could only do 2 positions which allowed me to not use my hips/pelvis, and I really hurt my hip abductor the other night trying to maneuver in bed during sxx. So yeah mentally you are on high alert and it definitely puts a constraint on post date activities. I definitely felt like I "lost points" here as I still come off as a bit of a cripple. I'd expect this to resolve itself in 2 to 3 months as I fully consolidate and regain my strength.

4) This is a great point. LL involves a lot of sacrifice and compromise. Lifestyle and interests is really important in the dating game.  If your lifestyle involves sports and/or physical activities then I might argue LL is not worth it. In my case, being in my mid 30's, athletics were not a big part of my life so the trade off with LL was well worth it.

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Quote from: cam007 on February 25, 2020, 08:51:51 AM
Exactly agreed lol.   If these dudes have confidence issues now with women. Them being TALLER isn’t going to help y’all. They got no confidence.  I get girls TALLER than me alot of the time. You have to just love yourself. So if you doing something this drastic it’s to better YOU. Not getting it to increase your  supposed pussy ratio lol.

Exactly. As someone that did 10cm LL and really improved his sex/love life because of it, I can attest this. It WON'T change your confidence. If you have no confidence because other men and your friends are taller I don't think LL will totally cure your problems.

It will help a little but in the end there will always be people taller than you. Heck, most my friends from childhood to college (including my brother) are 180cm+, so they are all still taller than me at 174.5cm.

What it WILL change for you after LL is :

1) The discrimination. Most women won't date a really short man, period. Specially if you are below the 5% percentile of male height. That'll be fixed as long as you reach an average height or slight below average height.

2) It will make you more attractive. It's one of the few surgeries that can actually make you more attractive for the majority of women. Women perceive height as one of the aspects of a male being attractive. It's like being slim makes a woman more attractive for men.

Due to those two things your dating options will be much wider than before. But if you have no confidence to begin with you won't be able to enjoy this improvement.

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Quote from: BetzLandLiberator on February 25, 2020, 09:02:36 PMExactly. As someone that did 10cm LL and really improved his sxx/love life because of it, I can attest this. It WON'T change your confidence. If you have no confidence because other men and your friends are taller I don't think LL will totally cure your problems.

It will help a little but in the end there will always be people taller than you. Heck, most my friends from childhood to college (including my brother) are 180cm+, so they are all still taller than me at 174.5cm.

What it WILL change for you after LL is :

1) The discrimination. Most women won't date a really short man, period. Specially if you are below the 5% percentile of male height. That'll be fixed as long as you reach an average height or slight below average height.

2) It will make you more attractive. It's one of the few surgeries that can actually make you more attractive for the majority of women. Women perceive height as one of the aspects of a male being attractive. It's like being slim makes a woman more attractive for men.

Due to those two things your dating options will be much wider than before. But if you have no confidence to begin with you won't be able to enjoy this improvement.

you're absolutely right. i already have confidence. the only thing left for me to fix is my height. i'm doing suprisingly alright for a guy who is short. but i'm trying reeeally hard compared to tall dudes. i'm only 1.65 and a half what can you expect really? because in the end, its all about how i feel about myself.