¿ Have your dating life changed in any sense after lenghtening?

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I grew from 165 to 173. I had dated intelligent women, in their late 20s and early 30s, in California. I did not date young or "party" girls. I'm not a club or bar goer.

I can't say that LL helped much with dating in my demographic. Neither did getting pretty muscular after LL.

What helped a lot more was:

1) Moving from a suburban area to an urban one

2) Not wanting a relationship. Women are weird creatures and they want what they can't have. I had a number of hookups as a result of not caring whether I got the woman or not.

3) Moderate consumption of alcohol

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My thoughts

* Having done this procedure itself is a major turn off. For dating it's hardly a problem but if you want to take it forward obviously it's going become a problem. It's stupid to think after LL you are basically like you were born that way.
* it's better to do this when younger. Younger the better. More young, more the dating opportunity. You might even be able to call it a late growth spurt

I am replying to the original post here.

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As some of you who have read my diary, know I have a girlfriend so can't say that I've been dating around; BUT ... I do get a lot more attention from females I notice more glares, in public specially night clubs ( yes I started going again about 4 months post op). I'm pretty sure if I was single I'd have a good rotation of girls right now lol.

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Quote from: TheAlchemist on February 25, 2020, 06:53:13 AM@Fox and futureller:

I know how you feel. We all have self-doubt, insecurity and fear of failure. Before LL I had nights where I would go out and say to myself, 'I'm too short, other guys are taller, other guys are richer, other guys are just better. I just don't have it. So why bother. I just want to chill and give up on the idea of getting the women I truly desire because I'm not the ideal male archetype.' When I noticed myself adopting this negative mindset I had to slap myself out of it. I knew and accepted height mattered in society, the world wasn't fair, we aren't all born equal, I didn't deny it, but I also didn't surrender to it. I embraced it.

I am so glad I embraced it. Having height neurosis and STILL persevering to get the women I wanted was like living life as a video game with the difficulty set at hard. This gave me the opportunity to build around other positive aspects of my life like my career, lifestyle, personality, fitness and conversational skills so that even as a below average in height man with severe height neurosis, I still viewed myself as a high value man.....with that mindset an amazing thing happened, women started seeing me as a high value man too.

For the majority of my adult life, living with height neurosis, I acted as though I was never going to get LL and optimized life as best I could with what I had and what was in my control. And it worked. I lived a life of abundance with women despite being below average in height. Suddenly when the stars aligned and I was fortunate enough to move forward with LL, doing LL became a huge enhancement to what was already a high value man, instead of marking the beginning of a high value man. That same video game of life difficulty level setting was suddenly adjusted down to 'easy' and I couldn't be happier. The point I'm trying to make is LL isn't going to transform us into casanovas, it can only enhance an already existing casanova.

If you view LL as some sort of delayed gratification plan to life that you are waiting for to change things upside down, you will lose. Start living life now because you are capable today.

Hi man, glad you are doing great now. Indeed you went from average height to tall.
However I believe you had this advantage since the begining, at 1.75 cm + shoe lifts you where pretty much in the normal height zone since the start.
I myself suffer as well from height neurosis at 165 cm, reaching 175 cm would take me from the short zone to "normal" zone. I might never reach tall but at 175 cm I do believe no women would consider you undeatable if your exceed in other areas, as you did before doing CLL. 175 is not considered short anywhere except in the netherlands.

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Quote from: massco on March 09, 2020, 03:12:24 AMI myself suffer as well from height neurosis at 165 cm, reaching 175 cm would take me from the short zone to "normal" zone. I might never reach tall but at 175 cm I do believe no women would consider you undeatable if your exceed in other areas, as you did before doing CLL. 175 is not considered short anywhere except in the netherlands.

If you are 165cm like I was you don't suffer height neurosis, you suffer REAL discrimination because of heightism. Any man bellow the 5% percentile suffers from it. It's not a neurosis because it's not only in your head.

I hate that Paley created (and patients accepted) this crap theory that EVERY single CLL only suffers from Height dysphoria/neurosis and not real discrimination.

This is a well researched topic, height discrimination is real and brutal.

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Quote from: BetzLandLiberator on March 09, 2020, 11:36:29 AMIf you are 165cm like I was you don't suffer height neurosis, you suffer REAL discrimination because of heightism. Any mans bellow the 5% percentile suffers form it. It's not a neurosis because it's not only in your head.

I hate that Paley created (and patients accepted) this crap theory that EVERY single CLL only suffers from Height dysphoria/neurosis and not real discrimination.

This is a well researched topic, height discrimination is real and brutal.

The problem is that there are people against CLL, so the procedures have to be "justified" saying that the patient had height neurosis.

If CLL was accepted, that would not be necessary, the reason would be "the patient just wanted to be taller, deal with it". Nobody forces people to do CLL, so I don't understand why some people try to forbid it. It is about our bodies, not about theirs, so they should accept it.

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Quote from: BetzLandLiberator on March 09, 2020, 11:36:29 AMIf you are 165cm like I was you don't suffer height neurosis, you suffer REAL discrimination because of heightism. Any man bellow the 5% percentile suffers from it. It's not a neurosis because it's not only in your head.

I hate that Paley created (and patients accepted) this crap theory that EVERY single CLL only suffers from Height dysphoria/neurosis and not real discrimination.

This is a well researched topic, height discrimination is real and brutal.

this is how dr D and dr M markets the surgery. the discrimination is real but if you dont recover properly there wont another type of discrimination because you cant walk for long or stand of long or cant do sports?

very few patients say they recover fully and even then there is not evidence of it. like dr D posted this video of someone running with x legs after LL and called it success story

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Quote from: ru on March 09, 2020, 02:20:08 PMthis is how dr D and dr M markets the surgery. the discrimination is real but if you dont recover properly there wont another type of discrimination because you cant walk for long or stand of long or cant do sports?

very few patients say they recover fully and even then there is not evidence of it. like dr D posted this video of someone running with x legs after LL and called it success story

That's not true. I did 10cm and i recovered fully.

I personally know tons of other LL patients that recovered as well, because I spent 8 months in Germany for my LL and I met almost every single one of Dr. Betz's patients there at the time. I still keep in touch with some of them. They are all fine, with the exception of one tibia patient.

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Quote from: massco on March 09, 2020, 03:12:24 AMHi man, glad you are doing great now. Indeed you went from average height to tall.
However I believe you had this advantage since the begining, at 1.75 cm + shoe lifts you where pretty much in the normal height zone since the start.
I myself suffer as well from height neurosis at 165 cm, reaching 175 cm would take me from the short zone to "normal" zone. I might never reach tall but at 175 cm I do believe no women would consider you undeatable if your exceed in other areas, as you did before doing CLL. 175 is not considered short anywhere except in the netherlands.

Agreed. 175 is a solid height. In my case I suffered from a neurosis that I overcame through LL. 

Quote from: BetzLandLiberator on March 09, 2020, 11:36:29 AMIf you are 165cm like I was you don't suffer height neurosis, you suffer REAL discrimination because of heightism. Any man bellow the 5% percentile suffers from it. It's not a neurosis because it's not only in your head.

I hate that Paley created (and patients accepted) this crap theory that EVERY single CLL only suffers from Height dysphoria/neurosis and not real discrimination.

This is a well researched topic, height discrimination is real and brutal.

Agreed there is a distinct form of actual height discrimination below a certain height threshold (varies by country but I'd say below 5'7 in the US) where dating becomes incomparably more challenging.

I still think that it's important to create value as a man through other means (lifestyle, conversational skills, career, wealth) so that the core areas are optimized and ultimately LL serves as a significant enhancement to an otherwise high value man.

After doing LL I'm more keen on height and it's opened up my eyes, I do see men of shorter stature who are successful with women largely due to them working on other areas of their life. For those with shorter stature now who are planning on doing LL the message is don't view LL as some sort of future milestone for delayed success with women but rather, work on being the best version of yourself and strive to be successful with women now and plan for LL to be an enhancement in the future.

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Quote from: TheAlchemist on March 09, 2020, 05:41:57 PMAgreed. 175 is a solid height. In my case I suffered from a neurosis that I overcame through LL. 

Agreed there is a distinct form of actual height discrimination below a certain height threshold (varies by country but I'd say below 5'7 in the US) where dating becomes incomparably more challenging.

I still think that it's important to create value as a man through other means (lifestyle, conversational skills, career, wealth) so that the core areas are optimized and ultimately LL serves as a significant enhancement to an otherwise high value man.

After doing LL I'm more keen on height and it's opened up my eyes, I do see men of shorter stature who are successful with women largely due to them working on other areas of their life. For those with shorter stature now who are planning on doing LL the message is don't view LL as some sort of future milestone for delayed success with women but rather, work on being the best version of yourself and strive to be successful with women now and plan for LL to be an enhancement in the future.

Well you have to be a succesful person in other areas anyway to be able to afford this surgery.

40k euros minimum is a  sh"t load of money,  and thats for one surgery. I mean who on earth can even spend like minimum 80k euros below 30 years of age.
and no matter how successful you are, you are your own enemy, because people (women-judgemental creatures, even if some say height isnt a problem, they lie) dont see you as real man.

discrimination is a real thing. I look at women and i feel like sh"t , everyone feels like out of league and im not even ugly looking guy.

You're right though, we have to work on ourselves and be the best version of ourselves, and when the height added- perfection happening.

But its a little hard to be the best version when you feel like a fking kid around people. thats why ima go 8+6 with two surgeries, when the time comes. (If that time comes before im 30, bcs who gives a fk anyway when you do it at 50)