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Posted on Jan 2, 2024, 5:55 pm
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I thought I'd start a new thread about how LLS has changed my life when it comes to female attraction. I think there are a lot of men who feel that their short stature is hindering them when it comes to women, attraction and dating. There isn't a lot of good information out there when if comes to this and there aren't many LLS'er who have shared information on the topic. I have written about this in my diary the past year, but I want to start a separate thread just for this. Here I want to share my experience so far, and also answer any questions that you guys may have on the subject. Here I will be brutally honest and won't sugar coat anything.

Just to be clear, I did not do LLS because I wanted to attract more women. Though potentially become more attractive to women after getting taller was A REASON, it wasn't THE REASON. The main reason for doing it was because I didn't really feel like an adult being 165cm in my mid 30s. Now that I am in my late 30s and 177cm I do feel like an adult. I new from research that I would be treated better by society as a whole being taller, as well as making my way through work and climbing the ranks easier. Having the means to pay for surgery cash and having come out of many year relationship meant that the timing was perfect. Like most of you I suffered from height dysphoria, which now is actually cured.

I did also do a lot of research about how height does affect female attraction and dating. I came across many studies suggesting that height is very important when it comes to this. The most promising research I read showed that I could have a five fold improvement in attraction with women, in essence meaning my dating pool would increase five fold in size. With knowing this I told my self that even If I didn't see any improvement with women, that would also be fine because that wasn't the main reason for doing this surgery.

Past May, 16 months post surgery I was finally ready to put my new height to the test. And boy was I in for a surprise. It was like a light switch the change and immediate attention I got. At first I thought it must have been anomaly, just tried to enjoy the moment. But at this club dancing with three hot women at the same time, I thought to my self "I have never ever been in this situation before". And to be honest it was very overwhelming.

From the age 13 to my mid 30s I have pretty much had the same experience with women. Most women ignore me, some women find me cute, and very few women have actually found me attractive enough to date. I have dated a few very attractive women and had a few attractive girl friends. With that being said, I always felt like most women ignored me and I had to "work" through so many women to find someone who found me attractive. It was always such hard work compared to many of my friends, and sometimes it could get almost depressing. What really threw me of it that a few times throughout those 20 odd years pre surgery I would occasionally be told I has "hot" or "handsome". Most times I would hear it second hand, and maybe twice had I ever heard it to my face. And this would be from some really attractive women as well. But to be brutally honest and clear, hearing these types of compliments was a very rare exception.

Starting in May I would go out almost every weekend, and the attention from women would be steady. At first I would notice much more looks and stares from women. And every time I would initiate conversation when out, I would almost always get a positive response, with most women genuinely being interested in talking to me. Nothing revolutionary, but definite change from the old being ignored most of the time. I started to write down all my positive encounters because I wanted to measure if there really was a change from before, or if it was all in my head or even just statistical luck.

Within the first month of going out I'd had two girls inviting me back to their place, and a few "hi there handsome" or "you look good" or "I mean you're good looking" directly to my face. But I was still being careful about what I though, because the last person I wanted to fool was my self. As the months passed the offers from women to come back to their place, the unsolicited compliments, the encounters of women approaching me and openness to any women I approached continued. There didn't seem to be a slow down, rather an uptick as I started to lean more and more into my new role.

And you guys have to remember that my whole life I was used to having to work hard for women, and now suddenly being served women was a huge shift i dynamics for me. At first it was very overwhelming I really didn't know how to deal with it. But after months of this I chose to embrace it and think to my self "maybe I am as attractive as these women say I am", but damn that is hard thing to accept considering a while life worth of experience to the contrary. But as bizarre as it may sound, looking at my self as before was the actual delusional way. So I actually had to change the way I looked at myself, my self image and self portrayal had to change according to my new experiences.

More than seven months after that May day I have leaned more and more into my new role, my new self, my new life. I have since that day in May had more than 90 positive encounters with women, these encounters include anything from compliments, women approaching me, random women making out with me, women grabbing me or pulling me, being invited back to their place or good old hook ups. In the past two months alone I have had 14 sxxual experiences with women - which is half as many as from the age of 13-35.

The experiences and encounters I have from women don't seize to amaze me. It is still hard to come to term with my new self, and I probably won't fully embrace from some time. But that does not mean I am not enjoying the journey, because I am. It has been one hell of ride. A ride I NEVER in my wildest dreams would have even considered. It is all just very absurd

After being called "attractive", "handsome", "good looking" dusins of times in the past seven months, I now accept that is who I have become. I don't think I was less handsome pre surgery, but what I do now know is that my short height meant most women cared more about that, than my face. Having the same face as before, albeit an attractive face it is that in combination with my new average height that is  key to success here.

I truly believe that having an attractive enough face with enough height is sufficient to have an overwhelmingly positive experience with women. You don't have to be the tallest of the most attractive. Here is an example.

Me and my friends went out on New Years, and we were dancing on the dance floor. Both of my friends are taller than me, on is probably 182cm and the other one 188cm. While all three of us are dancing these two hot girls come over and they immediately pull me inn making a small circle with us three. Ignoring my taller friends. One of the girls has an empty drink with just ice cubes remaining. She then mouths the ice cube moves her lips over to me and gives me the ice cube while kissing and making out with me. Her friend then comes in to take the ice cube from me in the same manner. We do this a few more times, and my friends are being us just in shock. While enjoying this I am also thinking "what has my life become", I have never ever experienced anything like this in my whole life. But here I am in my late 30s playing pass the ice cubes with these two hot 20s something girls. Yeah, I don't know either. We do this while dancing another ten minutes before the girls leave the dance floor. To round uop the story, I did find one the girls later, but I found another girls I like better that evening instead.

So yeah, this surgery has definitely changed my life for the better. And I now living a life I never even imagined. It is truly insane.

I would love to hear post LLS stories from others.

//Stand taller
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Posted on Jan 2, 2024, 9:09 pm
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Lifefuel if you were able to get benefits to your dating life by doing LL at your mid-30s tbh
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Posted on Jan 2, 2024, 9:53 pm
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How old were you when you got this surgery? I'm currently 32 and I'm thinking I'm almost too old! But it's nice to see you had so much success. I just have to remind myself that it's never too late, and there are people in their 50's getting this done.

Like you, I'm good looking in the face and spend hours in the gym overcompensating. I'm 166 cm and hoping to get an 8 cm gain. Your experience gives me life! Thanks, brotha.

Generic question: do you think it gets easier to date girls as a man gets older? My experience is yes.
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Posted on Jan 2, 2024, 10:21 pm
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Quote from: Kintaeryos on January 02, 2024, 09:09:37 PMLifefuel if you were able to get benefits to your dating life by doing LL at your mid-30s tbh

True! I've always looked much younger than I am, so I am attracting women down to early 20s without a problem. I still have a full head of hair (though it is starting to thin up top) and very few grey hairs. If I am lucky I can still play at this game another 10 years.
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Posted on Jan 2, 2024, 10:22 pm
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Quote from: ThirdSpace on January 02, 2024, 09:53:07 PMHow old were you when you got this surgery? I'm currently 32 and I'm thinking I'm almost too old! But it's nice to see you had so much success. I just have to remind myself that it's never too late, and there are people in their 50's getting this done.

Like you, I'm good looking in the face and spend hours in the gym overcompensating. I'm 166 cm and hoping to get an 8 cm gain. Your experience gives me life! Thanks, brotha.

Generic question: do you think it gets easier to date girls as a man gets older? My experience is yes.

You are not too old. I did it at 32, too. Betz had a patient who was 65 when I was there for the first surgery.

It will take you longer to consolidate and recover though. Expect around 2 years between lengthening and nail removal. The one 18 year old that I saw did 9cm and was fully recovered within a year. It was fascinating to see, albeit somewhat discouraging. Made me realize for the first time I am not young anymore How I went from a Sub5 to a Chad (LLS has changed my life)
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Posted on Jan 2, 2024, 10:28 pm
#6
Quote from: Stand taller on January 02, 2024, 05:55:16 PMI thought I'd start a new thread about how LLS has changed my life when it comes to female attraction. I think there are a lot of men who feel that their short stature is hindering them when it comes to women, attraction and dating. There isn't a lot of good information out there when if comes to this and there aren't many LLS'er who have shared information on the topic. I have written about this in my diary the past year, but I want to start a separate thread just for this. Here I want to share my experience so far, and also answer any questions that you guys may have on the subject. Here I will be brutally honest and won't sugar coat anything.

Just to be clear, I did not do LLS because I wanted to attract more women. Though potentially become more attractive to women after getting taller was A REASON, it wasn't THE REASON. The main reason for doing it was because I didn't really feel like an adult being 165cm in my mid 30s. Now that I am in my late 30s and 177cm I do feel like an adult. I new from research that I would be treated better by society as a whole being taller, as well as making my way through work and climbing the ranks easier. Having the means to pay for surgery cash and having come out of many year relationship meant that the timing was perfect. Like most of you I suffered from height dysphoria, which now is actually cured.

I did also do a lot of research about how height does affect female attraction and dating. I came across many studies suggesting that height is very important when it comes to this. The most promising research I read showed that I could have a five fold improvement in attraction with women, in essence meaning my dating pool would increase five fold in size. With knowing this I told my self that even If I didn't see any improvement with women, that would also be fine because that wasn't the main reason for doing this surgery.

Past May, 16 months post surgery I was finally ready to put my new height to the test. And boy was I in for a surprise. It was like a light switch the change and immediate attention I got. At first I thought it must have been anomaly, just tried to enjoy the moment. But at this club dancing with three hot women at the same time, I thought to my self "I have never ever been in this situation before". And to be honest it was very overwhelming.

From the age 13 to my mid 30s I have pretty much had the same experience with women. Most women ignore me, some women find me cute, and very few women have actually found me attractive enough to date. I have dated a few very attractive women and had a few attractive girl friends. With that being said, I always felt like most women ignored me and I had to "work" through so many women to find someone who found me attractive. It was always such hard work compared to many of my friends, and sometimes it could get almost depressing. What really threw me of it that a few times throughout those 20 odd years pre surgery I would occasionally be told I has "hot" or "handsome". Most times I would hear it second hand, and maybe twice had I ever heard it to my face. And this would be from some really attractive women as well. But to be brutally honest and clear, hearing these types of compliments was a very rare exception.

Starting in May I would go out almost every weekend, and the attention from women would be steady. At first I would notice much more looks and stares from women. And every time I would initiate conversation when out, I would almost always get a positive response, with most women genuinely being interested in talking to me. Nothing revolutionary, but definite change from the old being ignored most of the time. I started to write down all my positive encounters because I wanted to measure if there really was a change from before, or if it was all in my head or even just statistical luck.

Within the first month of going out I'd had two girls inviting me back to their place, and a few "hi there handsome" or "you look good" or "I mean you're good looking" directly to my face. But I was still being careful about what I though, because the last person I wanted to fool was my self. As the months passed the offers from women to come back to their place, the unsolicited compliments, the encounters of women approaching me and openness to any women I approached continued. There didn't seem to be a slow down, rather an uptick as I started to lean more and more into my new role.

And you guys have to remember that my whole life I was used to having to work hard for women, and now suddenly being served women was a huge shift i dynamics for me. At first it was very overwhelming I really didn't know how to deal with it. But after months of this I chose to embrace it and think to my self "maybe I am as attractive as these women say I am", but damn that is hard thing to accept considering a while life worth of experience to the contrary. But as bizarre as it may sound, looking at my self as before was the actual delusional way. So I actually had to change the way I looked at myself, my self image and self portrayal had to change according to my new experiences.

More than seven months after that May day I have leaned more and more into my new role, my new self, my new life. I have since that day in May had more than 90 positive encounters with women, these encounters include anything from compliments, women approaching me, random women making out with me, women grabbing me or pulling me, being invited back to their place or good old hook ups. In the past two months alone I have had 14 sxxual experiences with women - which is half as many as from the age of 13-35.

The experiences and encounters I have from women don't seize to amaze me. It is still hard to come to term with my new self, and I probably won't fully embrace from some time. But that does not mean I am not enjoying the journey, because I am. It has been one hell of ride. A ride I NEVER in my wildest dreams would have even considered. It is all just very absurd

After being called "attractive", "handsome", "good looking" dusins of times in the past seven months, I now accept that is who I have become. I don't think I was less handsome pre surgery, but what I do now know is that my short height meant most women cared more about that, than my face. Having the same face as before, albeit an attractive face it is that in combination with my new average height that is  key to success here.

I truly believe that having an attractive enough face with enough height is sufficient to have an overwhelmingly positive experience with women. You don't have to be the tallest of the most attractive. Here is an example.

Me and my friends went out on New Years, and we were dancing on the dance floor. Both of my friends are taller than me, on is probably 182cm and the other one 188cm. While all three of us are dancing these two hot girls come over and they immediately pull me inn making a small circle with us three. Ignoring my taller friends. One of the girls has an empty drink with just ice cubes remaining. She then mouths the ice cube moves her lips over to me and gives me the ice cube while kissing and making out with me. Her friend then comes in to take the ice cube from me in the same manner. We do this a few more times, and my friends are being us just in shock. While enjoying this I am also thinking "what has my life become", I have never ever experienced anything like this in my whole life. But here I am in my late 30s playing pass the ice cubes with these two hot 20s something girls. Yeah, I don't know either. We do this while dancing another ten minutes before the girls leave the dance floor. To round uop the story, I did find one the girls later, but I found another girls I like better that evening instead.

So yeah, this surgery has definitely changed my life for the better. And I now living a life I never even imagined. It is truly insane.

I would love to hear post LLS stories from others.

//Stand taller

Congrats. It sounds like you managed to achieve 12cm which is crazy, so double congrats! I wonder how the Betz haters will rationalise your success.

I agree that going to the average height or even above average changes your world. As a married man I do not date anyone except my wife, but yes I do get more attention and I am more confident, too. Not sure I'm a Chad at 180 though How I went from a Sub5 to a Chad (LLS has changed my life)
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Posted on Jan 2, 2024, 10:40 pm
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Quote from: ThirdSpace on January 02, 2024, 09:53:07 PMHow old were you when you got this surgery? I'm currently 32 and I'm thinking I'm almost too old! But it's nice to see you had so much success. I just have to remind myself that it's never too late, and there are people in their 50's getting this done.

Like you, I'm good looking in the face and spend hours in the gym overcompensating. I'm 166 cm and hoping to get an 8 cm gain. Your experience gives me life! Thanks, brotha.

Generic question: do you think it gets easier to date girls as a man gets older? My experience is yes.

I was mid 30s and now my late 30s this year. No dude, you're the perfect age. Not too old! Yeah, it is never too late. If anything I wish I could have done this earlier, would have made my life much easier and pleasant.

I think going from around 165cm til 175cm-180cm will give you the most life changing experience. For women height is like hard threshold. Where us men can easily rate women on a linear scale from 1-10, it does not work that way for women. Like in my experience, even though I am good looking being below a certain height was hard threshold for women. And that couldn't be more obvious than post surgery. I am living a completely different life now when it comes to attention from women. It is literally nigh and day. As I wrote, I was hoping for an improvement, but what I got was freaking 1000x fold difference. I can maybe count on both hands the amount of times pre surgery I had ever gotten approached by a women. And now, it happens on average once every night I am out.

Yes I think it is easier as you get older, to a certain degree. One of the reasons I think this is the case is because women generally go for older men. So if you're 20 years old, there is a limited number of women who are younger than you. But if you are for example 40, you will potentially have 20 years of younger women to choose from, ergo much more choice making it "easier". The huge caveat here is you have to be good looking, in shape and generally taking care of yourself.

Even though I am now in my late 30s, I look a lot younger than my age. This is usually how it goes after talking to a girl for a while (usually these women are around the age of 23-28 because there are so many women in this age group out): "so how old are you", and I'll usually say "well guess" and they'll often guess around 26-28 years old and I'll then answer "I am actually XX-years old" and there response is always "no freaking way, you don't look close to that age". I've actually had to show my ID a few times because girls don't believe me.

On the other hand I have friends I've known for 20 years who are all taller than me, but have aged like sour wine. And would be hard pressed to attract a decent women our own age, yet alone a 25 year old hottie.
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Posted on Jan 2, 2024, 10:48 pm
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Quote from: DonBones on January 02, 2024, 10:28:55 PMCongrats. It sounds like you managed to achieve 12cm which is crazy, so double congrats! I wonder how the Betz haters will rationalise your success.

I agree that going to the average height or even above average changes your world. As a married man I do not date anyone except my wife, but yes I do get more attention and I am more confident, too. Not sure I'm a Chad at 180 though How I went from a Sub5 to a Chad (LLS has changed my life)

11,5cm to be precise, but still an achievement! Going from way below average to close to average will indeed change your life, as it has done with me. For example on dating apps, before I would be cautious about the girls height when swiping and nervous about her height when meeting up on the few dates I went on. Now though, I rarely see women taller than me on those apps. And if they are above 172cm they will most of times write their height.
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Posted on Jan 2, 2024, 10:52 pm
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Quote from: DonBones on January 02, 2024, 10:22:59 PMYou are not too old. I did it at 32, too. Betz had a patient who was 65 when I was there for the first surgery.

It will take you longer to consolidate and recover though. Expect around 2 years between lengthening and nail removal. The one 18 year old that I saw did 9cm and was fully recovered within a year. It was fascinating to see, albeit somewhat discouraging. Made me realize for the first time I am not young anymore How I went from a Sub5 to a Chad (LLS has changed my life)

Thanks - do you think for 8 cm on my femurs using Precise, I would be okay going out to bars/clubs at the 1 year mark? Or do you think it takes longer?
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Posted on Jan 2, 2024, 10:59 pm
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Quote from: Stand taller on January 02, 2024, 10:40:00 PMI was mid 30s and now my late 30s this year. No dude, you're the perfect age. Not too old! Yeah, it is never too late. If anything I wish I could have done this earlier, would have made my life much easier and pleasant.

I think going from around 165cm til 175cm-180cm will give you the most life changing experience. For women height is like hard threshold. Where us men can easily rate women on a linear scale from 1-10, it does not work that way for women. Like in my experience, even though I am good looking being below a certain height was hard threshold for women. And that couldn't be more obvious than post surgery. I am living a completely different life now when it comes to attention from women. It is literally nigh and day. As I wrote, I was hoping for an improvement, but what I got was freaking 1000x fold difference. I can maybe count on both hands the amount of times pre surgery I had ever gotten approached by a women. And now, it happens on average once every night I am out.

Yes I think it is easier as you get older, to a certain degree. One of the reasons I think this is the case is because women generally go for older men. So if you're 20 years old, there is a limited number of women who are younger than you. But if you are for example 40, you will potentially have 20 years of younger women to choose from, ergo much more choice making it "easier". The huge caveat here is you have to be good looking, in shape and generally taking care of yourself.

Even though I am now in my late 30s, I look a lot younger than my age. This is usually how it goes after talking to a girl for a while (usually these women are around the age of 23-28 because there are so many women in this age group out): "so how old are you", and I'll usually say "well guess" and they'll often guess around 26-28 years old and I'll then answer "I am actually XX-years old" and there response is always "no freaking way, you don't look close to that age". I've actually had to show my ID a few times because girls don't believe me.

On the other hand I have friends I've known for 20 years who are all taller than me, but have aged like sour wine. And would be hard pressed to attract a decent women our own age, yet alone a 25 year old hottie.

Thanks brotha - this is really helpful. When I change my height on dating profiles from 5'7' to 5'10 (178 cm), the matches I get are night and day. At the former height, every other girl is a fattie, and at the latter height, they're a baddie haha

I believe it is true - height is a hard threshold for women. But I believe weight is a threshhold for men as well. Everyone has their taste and preference. The best thing is to do this surgery for yourself. There is more to life than women. Even the riches billionaires get divorced and the tallest men as well. My lay count is in the 30's, but it's the lack of self-esteem which is making me pursue this. I have changed every aspect of my life, and I will feel restless until I know I've done everything about my height.
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