How I went from a Sub5 to a Chad (LLS has changed my life)

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lolll cringe !!!
im doing the surgery this year , my new year goal haha.

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congrats man ! very nice read.
when you dont need to do all the work and when the woman just wants you for you physically, one of the best feelings in the world.
combined with the swag when you were short, you invincible my man

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Quote from: dz93 on January 03, 2024, 08:05:15 PMJust to be clear, by the word experience you mean sleeping with, intercourse, right?  Alone together without clothes on in the same room or bed, and not simply making out, etc.  That just isn't too clear from the rest of what you're telling here.

And if so you had 28 partners by 35 and before LL?  Not too bad of a number I guess, all things considering, quite a bit above the average.

No, not 28 sexual partners. To be exact, 29 sexual experiences. This includes sex, bj's, making out etc. Don't want to get into specific lay count, because that is not the point. The point is the difference from then and now.

And remember guys, ignore the trolls. Don't engage and give them fuel.

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Quote from: tao on January 03, 2024, 08:46:20 PMcongrats man ! very nice read.
when you dont need to do all the work and when the woman just wants you for you physically, one of the best feelings in the world.
combined with the swag when you were short, you invincible my man

Thanks dude! With most women it is still work, even for the best looking men out there have to put in some effort. Difference now is that, I get my foot in the door easier and I am "allowed" to stay for longer. I am "allowed" much more wiggle room in what I say and do. In the past the rare times women would actually stay when I approached them, they would usually after a while have to go to the bathroom and never return. That has yet to happen to me, and most of the times I am the one now leaving first if I am not interested. I think you are on to something about the "swag" we develop when short that is an advantage, but on the flip side. Many of the insecurities I developed over the past 25 years don't just disappear in seven months either.

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Quote from: Stand taller on January 03, 2024, 08:51:39 PMNo, not 28 sxxual partners. To be exact, 29 sxxual experiences. This includes sxx, bj's, making out etc. Don't want to get into specific lay count, because that is not the point. The point is the difference from then and now.

Right, no worries.  So that number wouldn't include these kinds of experiences when they are part of a more serious long-term relationship either I suppose (I'd bet most people don't tend to count and remember each instance in those kinds of circumstances, lol).

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Quote from: dz93 on January 03, 2024, 09:48:33 PMRight, no worries.  So that number wouldn't include these kinds of experiences when they are part of a more serious long-term relationship either I suppose (I'd bet most people don't tend to count and remember each instance in those kinds of circumstances, lol).

The number includes every women I have ever had a sxxual encounter with like sxx, oral-sxx or making out. Every women I ever had sxx with, ever did anything oral with or ever made out with is included. Sure, most people probably wouldn't have that remember off hand. But for the sake of measuring the difference in success I sat down tried to recollect and wrote them all down. There are probably a few that are missing, sure. But the point is not to be super precise, rather to illustrate the difference in change. At this rate I'll have close to 100 after in a year. So if I from the age of 13 - 35 had 29 or 35, that really doesn't matter if I can have close to 80-90 in a year, agree? 80 a year over 22 years is 1760 sxxual encounters. Even if we take away half of those years for being in relationships and half the number to simulate a more sustainable rate we're still looking at 440 sxxual experiences over the same period. which is 15 fold vs 29ex or 13 fold vs 35ex. Either way, a massive difference.

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If it's all true you're just a very good looking dude and you've now crossed the height threshold.
IMHO, height works in two ways as it relates to attraction. There is a minimum threshold where a certain girl(or the majority of them) will not look at you. In most western countries I'd say it's about 5'7" to 5'9", even if girls will say it's 5'11"(180 cms) or 6". After that threshold you will become more attractive the taller you are, up until a point, but with diminishing returns.
Going from 5'9" to 6'1" will make you more attractive than going from 6'1" to 6'5" and so on. It probably makes no difference after 6'5" or so.
Some girls may not like really tall guys but most wouldn't care.

And by the way, I'm 5'11", 180cms, I didn't get LL yet*, maybe I will never will, but I don't get random 20 something girls approaching me. I'm 32 and I did date girls that were younger than me(my GF is 27) but I have to work hard for it.

*My reason has nothing to do with girls but both my parents and the rest of my family are really tall and it really affects me mentally.

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Quote from: Temoc on January 05, 2024, 02:08:12 AMIf it's all true you're just a very good looking dude and you've now crossed the height threshold.
IMHO, height works in two ways as it relates to attraction. There is a minimum threshold where a certain girl(or the majority of them) will not look at you. In most western countries I'd say it's about 5'7" to 5'9", even if girls will say it's 5'11"(180 cms) or 6". After that threshold you will become more attractive the taller you are, up until a point, but with diminishing returns.
Going from 5'9" to 6'1" will make you more attractive than going from 6'1" to 6'5" and so on. It probably makes no difference after 6'5" or so.
Some girls may not like really tall guys but most wouldn't care.

And by the way, I'm 5'11", 180cms, I didn't get LL yet*, maybe I will never will, but I don't get random 20 something girls approaching me. I'm 32 and I did date girls that were younger than me(my GF is 27) but I have to work hard for it.

*My reason has nothing to do with girls but both my parents and the rest of my family are really tall and it really affects me mentally.

I think your assessment here is pretty accurate regarding height and minimum threshold for attraction. There are a bunch of studies done on rejection rate at different heights. If I remember correct there seems to be a plateau from around 177 - 187cm. I think rejection rate base on height at 177cm is around 15% and around 5% at 187cm. Below 177cm there is a steep drop off where the rejection rate based on height at 165cm is like 85%. There is also a drop above 187cm, but not nearly as severe as the drop off below 177cm.

Remember though, this is a study based on what women said and not what they do. I think most women will be hard pressed to tell the difference between 177cm and 182cm for example, and on the other end I think most women may be doing virtue signaling when it comes to rejecting short men. I think the rejection rate at 165cm (my old height) is way more than 85%.

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Quote from: Temoc on January 05, 2024, 02:08:12 AMIf it's all true you're just a very good looking dude and you've now crossed the height threshold.
IMHO, height works in two ways as it relates to attraction. There is a minimum threshold where a certain girl(or the majority of them) will not look at you. In most western countries I'd say it's about 5'7" to 5'9", even if girls will say it's 5'11"(180 cms) or 6". After that threshold you will become more attractive the taller you are, up until a point, but with diminishing returns.
Going from 5'9" to 6'1" will make you more attractive than going from 6'1" to 6'5" and so on. It probably makes no difference after 6'5" or so.
Some girls may not like really tall guys but most wouldn't care.

And by the way, I'm 5'11", 180cms, I didn't get LL yet*, maybe I will never will, but I don't get random 20 something girls approaching me. I'm 32 and I did date girls that were younger than me(my GF is 27) but I have to work hard for it.

*My reason has nothing to do with girls but both my parents and the rest of my family are really tall and it really affects me mentally.

I think your theory is correct. With me I’ve noticed almost no women look at me unless they’re sitting down and can’t tell my height. It’s a bit of a mind f*ck, I’m 5’5.5” and I’m thinking the threshold is right around 5’7” in the US. I actually just bought 1.5” lifts so I’m gonna test the theory out and see what happens. I don’t think I’m as good looking as standing Taller, but I’d say I’m pretty good looking and can attract shorter girls more easily. So let’s see what happens I’ll update you guys.

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Quote from: Stand taller on January 05, 2024, 08:39:02 PMThere are a bunch of studies done on rejection rate at different heights. If I remember correct there seems to be a plateau from around 177 - 187cm. I think rejection rate base on height at 177cm is around 15% and around 5% at 187cm. Below 177cm there is a steep drop off where the rejection rate based on height at 165cm is like 85%. There is also a drop above 187cm, but not nearly as severe as the drop off below 177cm.

I'm assuming these figures are from this study since they seemed very familiar: https://www.gertstulp.com/pdf/Stulp%20et%20al%202013_Anim%20Behav_The%20height%20of%20choosiness.pdf

Keep in mind that in this study the women averaged 165cm and the men 179cm.  So if you are in a Nordic country, chances are that the mean for both genders is 2-3 cm higher than that, at least for people younger than 40. 

Sweden (182cm/168cm): https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/apa.15129

Norway (181cm/167cm): https://www.vekststudien.no/download-the-growth-charts/

Which means you need to shift your own height down by that amount when looking at the figures in this study (Table A2 and A3).  So for your old height of 165cm, adjusted for the Nordics, the figures for the 162.5cm men is relatively speaking the right one.  Which means 165cm in Nordics are accepted by around 10% and 177cm around 66%.  Which is of course still a massive difference.

You can see a particular graph from the study illustrating the drop-off you're mentioning here, just again remember to shift your own height down by 2-3 cm when placing yourself on it:  https://iili.io/J72ZaxR.png