Quote from: ReadRothbard on January 23, 2022, 08:08:56 PMI have to agree—not to mention tall people have even less motivation to undergo this kind of procedure.
perhaps some people enjoy living life as a spectacle. if this is indeed so, it may be natural to assume that if LL helped one achieve this distinction they'd view it as a rational decision.
Quote from: Mulholland Dr on January 28, 2022, 09:00:33 PMSpeaking of death if you can recall one guy that back then you had much hatreds of cuz he addressed thaat having Parkinson or Leukemia is better than being short then I'd tell you that guy is me and rn I am still stuck with this kind of thought and I think if there were 2 options death or living an under 5'5 life then I'd choose the former so death is not a problem for me at all.
Dunno since you can't prove yourself with a death case under Paley's hands why you are spouting Paley's caused at least 1 death case cuz Paley is just the surgeon what I am aiming for so I cannot let go of your unlogical statements sorry.
Yes, I was shocked as I interpreted it as a general position towards every not tall people (as if all people shorther than X cm had worse lives than having dementias and so on).
But if it's your personal feeling of course I respect that and I'm sorry for your feelings.
Just let me say, though, that you seem to have fallen in an exaggerated situation of height neurosis. I don't think in general that psychotherapy can cure height neurosis but I would humbly suggest you tried to "balance" and get some support for better decisions having some counselling. I say that because of own experience, having height neurosis and because I find similarities in our feelings except reaching that point of comparison to Parkinson and cancer, so don't get offended, please.
Regarding at least one death with Paley (I say this "at least" because a minimal number of LL ers come here and surgeons themselves don't admit it (like Guichet) on their web pages), I read it here in this forum from a patient that was hospitalised at the same time. That's why it's not general knowledge, the patient who died never reached the "recover center" in Palm Beach where everybody is.
But it was due to thrombosis, and that can be minimised but not avoided by any surgeon, so it's part of the risks, I was not blamming the surgeon.
Quote from: zaozari on January 31, 2022, 12:36:41 PMYes, I was shocked as I interpreted it as a general position towards every not tall people (as if all people shorther than X cm had worse lives than having dementias and so on).
But if it's your personal feeling of course I respect that and I'm sorry for your feelings.
Just let me say, though, that you seem to have fallen in an exaggerated situation of height neurosis. I don't think in general that psychotherapy can cure height neurosis but I would humbly suggest you tried to "balance" and get some support for better decisions having some counselling. I say that because of own experience, having height neurosis and because I find similarities in our feelings except reaching that point of comparison to Parkinson and cancer, so don't get offended, please.
Regarding at least one death with Paley (I say this "at least" because a minimal number of LL ers come here and surgeons themselves don't admit it (like Guichet) on their web pages), I read it here in this forum from a patient that was hospitalised at the same time. That's why it's not general knowledge, the patient who died never reached the "recover center" in Palm Beach where everybody is.
But it was due to thrombosis, and that can be minimised but not avoided by any surgeon, so it's part of the risks, I was not blamming the surgeon.
Alright thx for your sympathy from my bad feelings but for death, some extreme incels on this forum are plugging away with crazy statements like you don't deserve to live cuz you are short, height takes everything from us besides happiness, if I can't lengthen my tibias by 8cm I will kill myself and etc., so your revelation of Paley's death case doesn't make sense in their shoes cuz they would rather lose their lives than going on being short, let alone you yourself already think that was not Paley's fault.
But we can juxtapose CLL with plastic surgery, which also can lead to death accidentally, and even bad news about plastic surgeries are spread out on Internet at times, but patients are still managing to change theie faces through this surgery cuz they have been give lessons by the society about how important one's appearance is and that being said those who are really striving for getting taller also ignore bad news about CLL to do CLL to get taller.
So this world is mistreating ppl to this extent and we gotta have sympathy from those who wanna change their physical features running the risks caused by various surgeries.
Quote from: Mulholland Dr on January 31, 2022, 07:33:34 PMAlright thx for your sympathy from my bad feelings but for death, some extreme incels on this forum are plugging away with crazy statements like you don't deserve to live cuz you are short, height takes everything from us besides happiness, if I can't lengthen my tibias by 8cm I will kill myself and etc., so your revelation of Paley's death case doesn't make sense in their shoes cuz they would rather lose their lives than going on being short, let alone you yourself already think that was not Paley's fault.
But we can juxtapose CLL with plastic surgery, which also can lead to death accidentally, and even bad news about plastic surgeries are spread out on Internet at times, but patients are still managing to change theie faces through this surgery cuz they have been give lessons by the society about how important one's appearance is and that being said those who are really striving for getting taller also ignore bad news about CLL to do CLL to get taller.
So this world is mistreating ppl to this extent and we gotta have sympathy from those who wanna change their physical features running the risks caused by various surgeries.
Yes, that's the general picture.
But I think we and doctors must be attentive to different kinds of height or other body dysphorias. What I mean is that there are cases, for example one person in Brazil that did around 40 (its true!!!) plastic surgeries (nothing to do with CLL) with certainly non ethical doctors and she never stops, she never gets "satisfied". These are cases for psychiatrists and psychologists, not for plastic NOR orthopaedic surgeons. That's why I respect but makes me think (like many doctors) why a man over, let's say 1,70 m tall or specially around average like around 1,76 m, wants LL surgery. I always think he may have a kind of neurosis that nobody can be sure to disappear after LL. But this is me thinking, not judging.
Quote from: zaozari on January 31, 2022, 08:12:20 PMYes, that's the general picture.
But I think we and doctors must be attentive to different kinds of dysphoria. What I mean is that there are cases, for example one person in Brazil that did around of 40 (its true!!!) plastic surgeries (nothing to do with CLL) with certainly non ethical doctors and she never stops, she never gets "satified". These are cases for psychiatrists and psychologists, not for plastic NOR orthopaedic surgeons. That's why I respect but makes me think why a man over, let's say 1,70 m tall or specially eround average like around 1,76 m wants LL surgery. I always think he may have a kind of neurosis that nobody can be sure to disappear after LL. But this is me thinking, not judging.
Agree on every word you say.
Surgeries that can change patients' physical features are very addictive and charming and if patients with dysphorias that can glue them onto this kind of surgeries forever then surgeries are way dangerous for them than for normal patients and I am really convinced that human is very difficult to be satisfied so that's another reason why I posted my methodology here to forbid average or even beyond average patients to achieve this surgery cuz the situations are essentially different for them from those patients who are really short and deserve this surgery.
Fortunately the benefits from height are capped and beyond a certain threshold, growing any taller cannot make sense like growing taller than 2m, unlike plastic surgery. The appearance has no threshold and of course the more beautiful/handsomer you are, the more benefits you can achieve from your apppearance, the main reason why patients are addicted to them, not to mention some unethnical web writers/surgeons are 'fearmongering' here and there and for sure we can figure out why some women are going mad about changing their appearances.
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