I know this site is 90% males but...

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Quote from: Annalisa on August 22, 2017, 11:17:01 AMAs a short female, I can advise you not not listen to males here. They're obviously clueless.

It's true that as a short female, you have  much less problem than if you were a male.

 It's also true that many guys are attracted to small girls, but it's often because they're insicure misogynists and see small females as easier to submit. It's not positive at all.

 Plus, it's only you who can decide how do you feel, not anyone else. Being too short, regardless of sxx, makes it harder to being taken seriously; and especially if you have a young face, could lead people to mistaken you for a teenager even if you're in your mid-tweenties (in fact people don't believe you're in college and tease you)

I don't say you need to be 170cms. But being at least 161, 162 cms and wearing heels, would be very different than being 154cms with heels. You wouldn't feel so far comparing to 170cms tall girls anymore. You decide.

I think the ones that have that stupid need to feel small and helpless are women. For a man, it is better to be stronger and "bigger" and it makes sense since these are positive characteristics. I don't understand why many women actively pursue to being the weaker in the relationship, it seems like for many submission is attractive.

Men don't care so much about height for their partners, as you can see from many of the surveys on internet. However, men with no self-esteem will prefer a shorter, smaller girl that makes them feel better about themselves. Those who feel good on their own skin want the hot girl regardless of her height.

That being said I personally find that longer legs in a woman are attractive and perhaps 160-170 cm is the best height for a girl. However, LL is intrinsically harder and riskier for a woman so girls have to put this in a balance.

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The ONLY thing that puts me off about short women is that, since I'm still biologically virtually a midget (166cm before LL), having kids with a short woman will guarantee that I'll have short kids. I try to go for women at least 5'3", no shorter than that. Of course, I'd probably give any son of mine HGH to ensure he doesn't suffer the same fate I did (having to do LL). But even so...I find short women (who are thin and pretty) very attractive, and it definitely taps into that "protector" thing, a role I like filling.

I tend to end up dating women 5'4" To 5'7", usually. Recently dated one who claimed she was 5'9", but we were exactly the same height (I saw us in a mirror in her apartment when we were both barefoot). So who knows?

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Shortest I dated/ one night standed was 5' tallest was 5'10 or so. Now with a 5'1 girl.  Never cared

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Things you learn in this thread:

166 cm is biologically a midget.
7 out of 50 girls in Germany are below 165 (Chris...just wait until the Turkish population mixes with the German one a little more and also wait for the North African migrant population to increase and you can expect that number to change), and also I would be careful going the "red pill route" with the "men are hunters" biotruths, because I imagine a number of men could reject a woman of that height, one reason being the one YellowSpike listed: Some men don't want kids ending up short. So yeah, I don't believe men have no standards at height at all...but that's not a bad thing. Different people have different potential partners.

But if OP is like me, she cares less about finding a suitable partner and more about how she looks next to a crowd of normal, average people in her home country. How she compares to the height of her coworkers, her boss, the cashier at Burger King, and whoever she meets on a daily routine. If that bothers you a lot OP, then yes, LL could one day be an option for you. Take at least one year to think about it though.

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Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on August 22, 2017, 05:03:56 PMThings you learn in this thread:

166 cm is biologically a midget.
7 out of 50 girls in Germany are below 165 (Chris...just wait until the Turkish population mixes with the German one a little more and also wait for the North African migrant population to increase and you can expect that number to change), and also I would be careful going the "red pill route" with the "men are hunters" biotruths, because I imagine a number of men could reject a woman of that height, one reason being the one YellowSpike listed: Some men don't want kids ending up short. So yeah, I don't believe men have no standards at height at all...but that's not a bad thing. Different people have different potential partners.

But if OP is like me, she cares less about finding a suitable partner and more about how she looks next to a crowd of normal, average people in her home country. How she compares to the height of her coworkers, her boss, the cashier at Burger King, and whoever she meets on a daily routine. If that bothers you a lot OP, then yes, LL could one day be an option for you. Take at least one year to think about it though.

I agree with the point you make. But, 5' is not really likely to be an impediment for a girl in finding a serious partner- It'd be pretty unlikely to be a dealbreaker for a guy who mattered- whereas say, a very short height for a man is much more likely to be an impediment in finding a serious partner.

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I knew my comment would piss some of insicure misogynist off.

Personally I don't give a damn about being protected, especially from from some insicure male who hide his mental weakness by playing alpha macho.

None of you can't say if height matter for a short girl, expect the short girl herself.
 
You boil it all down to finding a partner, but in social life there is much more than that; and the difference between being 150-155 cms and being over 160 cms  is very significant for a girl; in respect of being taken seriously or not being mistaken for a child.

For a male, it would still be too  short, but the fact that males have higher standars with which confronting themselves, it doesn't make being a girl under a certain height free of social stigma. There is social stigma, and it's not small.

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"she cares less about finding a suitable partner and more about how she looks next to a crowd of normal, average people in her home country. How she compares to the height of her coworkers, her boss, the cashier at Burger King, and whoever she meets on a daily routine."

That's the exact reasons why particulary short women want this operation. Not dating related matters like men do. I don't care  about being tall at all, not even being average is fundamental; but being closer to the average woman height would not be a small change at all.

Especially because I want to be a neurologist, and in an authoritative position, always in contact with people who consult you on delicate matters, height doesn't go unnoticed.

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Annalisa,

thinking about LL makes you ladies even more "insecure" and "mentally weak" than the men, because you don't have even close to the same amount of social disadvantages and pressure.
And assuming that men only break their legs for dating is plainly stupid and shows how little you actually know about men and the true reasons for LL.
Maybe it's because the number of >180cm guys here and on reddit has been growing so much, but the short guys who really are in the need for LL are typically the most rational and mentally strongest.

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Quote from: Annalisa on August 22, 2017, 07:09:37 PM"she cares less about finding a suitable partner and more about how she looks next to a crowd of normal, average people in her home country. How she compares to the height of her coworkers, her boss, the cashier at Burger King, and whoever she meets on a daily routine."

That's the exact reasons why particulary short women want this operation. Not dating related matters like men do. I don't care  about being tall at all, not even being average is fundamental; but being closer to the average woman height would not be a small change at all.

Especially because I want to be a neurologist, and in an authoritative position, always in contact with people who consult you on delicate matters, height doesn't go unnoticed.

That's exactly why I did the surgery, so not all men only care about dating. Height is unfortunately associated with power regardless of gender but especially in men, and psychology shows first impressions are very important.

However, it is also the truth that the pressure is not as strong as in men. I really do think that very short women and women striving to become models can benefit from LL. Unfortunately, this surgery as risky as it is, can become more dangerous in women, particularly in those who have an unrealistic goal. It is a biological fact that cannot be disregarded.

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Quote from: LLSouthAmerica on August 22, 2017, 08:04:07 PMThat's exactly why I did the surgery, so not all men only care about dating. Height is unfortunately associated with power regardless of gender but especially in men, and psychology shows first impressions are very important.

However, it is also the truth that the pressure is not as strong as in men. I really do think that very short women and women striving to become models can benefit from LL. Unfortunately, this surgery as risky as it is, can become more dangerous in women, particularly in those who have an unrealistic goal. It is a biological fact that cannot be disregarded.

Why do you say that the procedure is more dangerous in women?