I know this site is 90% males but...

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Quote from: Chris on August 22, 2017, 08:00:25 PMAnnalisa,

thinking about LL makes you ladies even more "insecure" and "mentally weak" than the men, because you don't have even close to the same amount of social disadvantages and pressure.
And assuming that men only break their legs for dating is plainly stupid and shows how little you actually know about men and the true reasons for LL.
Maybe it's because the number of >180cm guys here and on reddit has been growing so much, but the short guys who really are in the need for LL are typically the most rational and mentally strongest.

Speaking of rationality and mental strength in a LL forum is an oxymoron. According to you, you are mentally weaker than dwarfs who want to do LL because they have more social disadvantages and pressure.

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Quote from: silvershade on August 22, 2017, 08:07:29 PMWhy do you say that the procedure is more dangerous in women?

Because it is a biological fact that women generally have lower bone mass than males, and it predisposes them to fractures and delayed consolidation especially if we consider that bone mass is even lower in small framed slender women which at the same time is directly correlated with less height.

This even becomes more pronounced around mid 40s and bone mass markedly decreases after menopause. Fortunately, while I've seen crazy 50 year olds doing this surgery, I've never met women at that age planning to do LL.

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Quote from: LLSouthAmerica on August 22, 2017, 08:13:55 PMBecause it is a biological fact that women generally have lower bone mass than males, and it predisposes them to fractures and delayed consolidation especially if we consider that bone mass is even lower in small framed slender women which at the same time is directly correlated with less height.

This even becomes more pronounced around mid 40s and bone mass markedly decreases after menopause. Fortunately, while I've seen crazy 50 year olds doing this surgery, I've never met women at that age planning to do LL.

So how does a lower bone mass contribute to it being more risky? and what if a woman is big boned (like having larger than normal bones)

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Quote from: LLSouthAmerica on August 22, 2017, 08:08:02 PMSpeaking of rationality and mental strength in a LL forum is an oxymoron. According to you, you are mentally weaker than dwarfs who want to do LL because they have more social disadvantages and pressure.

Nah, it can only get so and so bad below a certain height, objectively.
Males and females, who are not too short are the ones with a messed up head.
Average people want more respect, more dates, more career..more of everything they already have.
Too short people want respect, a date...normal things that they are excluded from average and tall people.
One of this is rational, the other is some form of greed.

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LOL Chris, you're hilarious. If it's not about dating, then the others social disadvantages like not being taken seriously or being confused for a child, they're the same that have been tormenting me since my childhood and have contributed to make me obsessive compulsive and social phobic.  Issues that have led me to lock myself for YEARS and thinking seriously about suicide many times.

 Dimishining my pain as something insignificant just because I'm not a male, it's just  shows your pathetic misogyny.

Everyone who has not a pathological problem (real midgets), does lengthening for eastetical reasons and social approval; which is the exact definition of insecurity.

So yes, I'm insecure about my height, but I'm not mentally weak as someone who has not the courage to admit his insecurities.

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Quote from: silvershade on August 22, 2017, 08:19:30 PMSo how does a lower bone mass contribute to it being more risky? and what if a woman is big boned (like having larger than normal bones)

I just told you, fractures and delay consolidation with are an added risk for women, diabetics, smokers, Asians, etc. Of course, I cannot say that it is impossible that one particular woman can have more bone mass than one particular man. However, as an average, men have higher bone mass and heal faster than women.

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Quote from: Annalisa on August 22, 2017, 08:51:32 PMLOL Chris, you're hilarious. If it's not about dating, then the others social disadvantages like not being taken seriously or being confused for a child, they're the same that have been tormenting me since my childhood and have contributed to make me obsessive compulsive and social phobic.  Issues that have led me to lock myself for YEARS and thinking seriously about suicide many times.

 Dimishining my pain as something insignificant just because I'm not a male, it's just  shows your pathetic misogyny.

Everyone who has not a pathological problem (real midgets), does lengthening for eastetical reasons and social approval; which is the exact definition of insecurity.

So yes, I'm insecure about my height, but I'm not mentally weak as someone who has not the courage to admit his insecurities.

What you are saying Annalisa about social disadvantages for being short as a woman (not being taken seriously or getting treated as a child) is very true. I've met a lot of them during my LL journey.

What you should understand is that the majority of short men have a little bit of misogyny in them. Remember that most of us have been rejected by women for being short and not only that but many disrespectful women put into question men masculinity itself only because of height. So what Chris is saying is a product of seeing every day short women who date/respect more tall guys and constantly ignore short men, even when they are not tall themselves.

On the other hand, Chris you are not allowed to tell a woman what they are or are not entitled to do with their own body. You cannot insert your values onto their heads and expect them to think like you.

So try to understand each other.

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Thanks, SouthAmerica, for showing empathy. Height has had a dreadful impact on my mental health and life, so when I read patronizing comments by males saying being small is not a problem for women because they have less problems dating (like if it were the only important thing in life), it really bothers me.

Of course, if I compare myself with the actor playing Tyrion in game of thrones, my problems seem much smaller and I feel a bit irrational and ungrateful; but everyone  on this forum could say the same thing ( I doubt the are real midgets in here, we're all healthy people with no genetic defect).

However, even if not a midget, the impact of being under a certain height is huge. And it could make a physician career much much harder, than if I had 13cms more. Lengthening is a risk I want to take to overcome my anxiety problems and basically removing a big hurdle in the way of the life I want.

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Quote from: Annalisa on August 22, 2017, 09:22:37 PMThanks, SouthAmerica, for showing empathy. Height has had a dreadful impact on my mental health and life, so when I read patronizing comments by males saying being small is not a problem for women because they have less problems dating (like if it were the only important thing in life), it really bothers me.

Of course, if I compare myself with the actor playing Tyrion in game of thrones, my problems seem much smaller and I feel a bit irrational and ungrateful; but everyone  on this forum could say the same thing ( I doubt the are real midgets in here, we're all healthy people with no genetic defect).

However, even if not a midget, the impact of being under a certain height is huge. And it could make a physician career much much harder, than if I had 13cms more. Lengthening is a risk I want to take to overcome my anxiety problems and basically removing a big hurdle in the way of the life I want.

Just for you to know, that head department of one of the internal medicine departments in the hospital I am in is a maximum 5'2 woman.
The second in the line of command of the pediatric department is also maximum 5'3 (she always wears heels so I don't know..).

 I am not telling you this in order to discredit your mental problem with height but in order to show you that what you are saying (atleast about workplace) is simply not true..
 A doctor, lawyer (non american because in the states they have this theater like courts), vet and any basically any working place I have witnessed, men and women get judged by their skills and not their looks.

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I'm 4'9. I have often being told of being particulary smart, but the first thing my patients would think about me, it wouldn't be "how smart the doctor is", but "the neurologist looks like a child wearing a coat".

If I were at least 5'3, I wouldn't bother to lengthen.

Our society is superfial and, under a certain level, the amount of cms overshadow your intelligence and character, making social life a source of sadness, rather than a pleasure.