Quote from: CaptainAmerica on January 18, 2017, 05:31:49 AMNope, hard cartilage forms on the vertebrae that stops continued elongation of the torso. Growth in the torso doesn't really work similar to how it does in the legs.
ahh thanks, then I wont bother buying estrogen blockers. Do you know if there is anything that could help spinal growth?
Quote from: RichTheGreat on January 18, 2017, 01:29:32 PMahh thanks, then I wont bother buying estrogen blockers. Do you know if there is anything that could help spinal growth?
Glucosamine will help with spinal cartilage meaning it could help retain your morning height and it can also prevent it from deteriorating as you get older (stopping you from getting shorter).
Quote from: CaptainAmerica on January 18, 2017, 06:22:50 PMGlucosamine will help with spinal cartilage meaning it could help retain your morning height and it can also prevent it from deteriorating as you get older (stopping you from getting shorter).
Yeah thanks, just read about gluccosamine, seems pretty interesting and definetly something I'd give a try in the future. But I mean more of something that can help increase your spine growth during puberty. I've been surfing around but can't seem to find anything, maybe you know something or have a link to some study.
i have seen guys in my school they had a growth spurt and few of them at 15 were about 6 ft 3 or so i was like omg how tall they supposed to be in a nearest future ,and right now all of them 18-19 y.o. and same height so i think mostly guys reach their final height by 15-16
Quote from: YungGud on January 29, 2017, 04:44:40 PMi have seen guys in my school they had a growth spurt and few of them at 15 were about 6 ft 3 or so i was like omg how tall they supposed to be in a nearest future ,and right now all of them 18-19 y.o. and same height so i think mostly guys reach their final height by 15-16
It depends on a person. Some people hit their final height around 15yo but some still grow later on.
One of my classmates from basic school was one of the shortest guys but recently i met him at the bus stop and he grew from around 5'5 to 5'9.
I basically stopped growing when i was 12yo but im just 19yo right now so who knows what happens.
People are different and their "growing schedule" depends on their genetics.
Okay guys, so I'm back in school and really trying to max my nutrition and sleep again. I've felt pains here and there again, so everything's looking good! I haven't measured myself in a while, BUT, my mom did tell me "wow you look taller" out of nowhere, also I no longer fit into a lot of my sweaters that have previously fit me for the past 3 years (where I did not grow at all).
Aside from height, I'm curious in how taking HGH will help my clavicle: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21315303
As you can see, on average, clavicles don't usually close till ~22. Now I know, they're normally 80% grown by 12-14 or something. But people like Jeff Seid come to mind. He's been steroiding/HGH/estro-blocking since 14-15 presumably and that dude is REALLY wide. You can see photos of him at ~14 and his clavicle looks very average.
Lol but as a counterpoint, 20% is still significant. I see people on here downplaying percentages all the time. For example, I think I saw Sweden linking to a study where it showed that people have roughly 70% similar bone lengths or something. He posted that to prove that everyone is "proportional" (which I completely disagree with, very, very much).
But 20% possible growth is A LOT (especially clavicle). Even in height, 20% would be the difference between me being 5'4 and 6'3. So hopefully my clavicle will grow a bit wider than it would have without the HGH.
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Oh yeah, and I'm on letrozole .75mg/e3d now. Noticing no side-effects at all. It's a stupid/potentially dangerous/much riskier idea than just taking MK-677 but desperate times call for desperate measures.
Also, I'm taking Vitamin K2 to support bone growth and strength.
If anyone has any supplement / dietary suggestions feel free to post here. I'm all ears.
Jeff Seid isn't really that wide. He has narrow hips and most of the shots of him his muscles are enhanced. He's also on tons of gear, when he's not flexing his lats his clavicles width looks average. People who have small frames and go on steroids most of the time end up looking worse because so much muscle on a small frame looks bad. I have a friend who's got a decent amount of muscle and broad shoulders and looks better than someone I know who trains religiously on roids and has a small frame. I don't even care if my shoulders are broad, I just want them to be normal width at least, as I sure you do too. HGH really only would of benefited us if we started at age 12-13. Legit the only thing we can do is clavicle lengthening. We shouldn't have to deal with the effects of steroids just to get wider clavicles, not even worth it. I plan on getting more info about Leif Rogers preforming the surgery, so many kids break their collarbones/clavicles in high school football in worse ways and end up fine. (My brother did also). I don't know why people obsess about leg to torso ratio, shoulder width is very underrated. If we can get our clavicles widened by 1 inch which that doctor Leif Rogers is advertising, that's 2.5 cm on each side. Your chest can go from 40 to 45 cm, that's a significant difference in shoulder width, probably could even lengthen 3 cm on each side which would be from 40 to 46. I'm 5'7 so I'm not tall by any means, I don't even want to get LL unless I can get my shoulders widened cause I will look worse and will just be okay with that.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkFD7WwCUAAUkyP.jpg -Pic of Jeff Seid when he isn't flexing his lats and how he looks in person. Dude's clavicles look the same length as mine lol. HGH is also so expensive and were past the point of it really benefiting us.
Wow! Maybe I want to use it too, but is there the same side effects like hgh? Because i dont want get a bigger nose for an example.
^ No side effects, your nose never actually stops growing and HGH would have negligible effects on nose growth anyway.
Update: I've officially reached the 1/2 inch mark in the past 3 months. I've noticed I'm taller than a friends, one has commented on it, and I've grown out of a few tight-fitting clothes. Unbelievable. I can't believe my growth paused between 15-18. I wonder if it was poor sleeping habits, not eating properly, etc.. This study: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1054139X02003427 shows that teen girls who begin to eat properly after having anorexia can catch up on their regular growth curve. However, if their growth plates fused, they never would've "caught up" and grown. I wasn't anorexic, I ate (just not very much), maybe 700-900 calories/day sometime (I was very depressed as an upperclassmen and figured I had stopped growing, oh if only I would've known lol). I was significantly underweight. I mean, maybe 100-105 lbs at 5'3-5'4? I weigh 130 now, at 5'4.5 (lol) and I still look pretty thin. I've put on 15 lbs in the past 3 months, which I'd like to attribute to the raging hunger MK-677 causes (and possibly even that 1/2 inch of bone weight).
Before taking MK-677, I never grew more than an inch a year. I eagerly awaited a growth spurt every year since I was 12-13 and started noticing friends having them. I would constantly search the internet to try and figure out what was wrong with me (and ended up here).
Here has been my growth pattern:
12-13 - 5'2
13-14 - 5'3
14-15 - 5'3 (this is the age where all my friends who I had stayed similar heights with shot up to 6' lol)
15 - 16 - 5'4
16 - 17 - 5'4
17 - 18 - 5'....4.5?
I probably averaged 4-5 hours of sleep from 14-16. I'm not saying it was responsible for my ridiculously slow amount of growth, but sleep is when you release the most HGH and the fact that I have been growing at such a fking slow rate I mean I can't really imagine anything else. Seriously, who tf grew as slow as I did throughout puberty lmao? I've never seen a similar growth pattern. I mean everyone I've ever known has had at least a year where they grew 2 inches in their lives, but I've never had one (well, except for maybe my early childhood).
For reference, I'm also definitely Tanner stage 4+ of puberty. Voice deepened/pubic hair at 13-14, 15-16 is when I started getting lower stomach hair, started shaving. At 16 I started getting really bad acne, had tiny speckles of armpit hair, starts maybe like one hair or two. At 17 armpit hair remained pretty minor, acne continued, and 18 now I can actually see it while standing ~5 ft away from the mirror, also started growing sideburns a few months ago and while I used to shave every few weeks last year I'm starting to have to do it once a week now.
I guess in some ways I've been a "late bloomer" and in other ways I've been an "early bloomer." I really don't know. I can't imagine my bone age is much younger than 17 at most.
With that said, desperate times call for desperate measures. I've spent a LOT of time over the past few weeks skimming Pubmed, NaturalHeightGrowth, and Steroidology.
While MK-677 does increase HGH and IGF-1, it does so in a "leak" manner. This is not how growth hormone normally happens during puberty (especially during growth spurts) instead, growth hormone is released every 3-5 hours at a time in "pulses." With MK-677 I'm probably only getting ~3-4IU/day.
In order to simulate what would be the natural "pulses" of growth hormone that occur in a day, I will now be taking:
- CJC-1295 (w/o DAC) 100MCG 3x (every 3-5 hours empty stomach) ed
- Hexarelin 100MCG 3x (every 3-5 hours empty stomach) ed
(the below are not necessary but I am trying EVERYTHING)
- Melatonin 5mg everynight
- Vitamin K2 500mcg ed
- SAM-e 200mg ed
- Standard Multivitamin ed
After about a month, your body gains a tolerance to Hexarelin and it's effectiveness is decreased. So lots of bodybuilders / steroiders will then cycle GHRP-2 / 100MCG 3x daily as a replacement for a month and then go back.
All this stuff is pretty expensive and quite a hassle. If you are already taking Ibutamoren, are afraid of needles or maybe can't afford the $60+ a month to spend on peptides stay the course. But if you have the money and time to read up on this stuff yourself, look into the stack I posted.
So yeah, it's pretty crazy that I've gained 1/2 in the past 3 months. I've felt a lot of leg pain and also now starting to feel some arm pain. What's odd about my leg pain is that I feel it usually in my lower femurs, almost always before going to sleep, and I've noticed that some nights it'll be both, but usually most times it cycles between my left and right legs. I don't know if I'm in a growth "spurt", but I hope, this is certainly the fastest I've ever grown.
My bac water and needles should be getting here next week. Having to deal with peptides is such a mess, finding a reliable source, getting needles, bac water, and also injecting yourself 3x a day on an empty stomach lol.. With CJC-129 no dad and Hex/GHRP I think I can get 2.5 inches instead of 1.5 I currently predict with Ibutamoren. They're also much more expensive (probably $60-80 a month not including supplies) but hey, as I said earlier, desperate times call for desperate measures.
you reached you full growth, ghrpc, cjc, hgh, non of those will work anymore.
http://www.childgrowthfoundation.org/CMS/FILES/Puberty_and_the_Tanner_Stages.pdf
All those miracle substances will not work its just very clever marketing, same with hanging etc.
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