Is this forum really full of mentally freaks?

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Quote from: 680 on November 15, 2014, 04:34:14 PMI completely disagree.

He's not wrong. People who suffer from short height have real problems and the worst part is to wait until you get LL done, so you can enjoy life.

I'm not talking about guys who are average and claim to have some bull  height neurosis, which doesn't even exist, they just use is it as an excuse to legitimate that they just want to be taller.

So having money makes it a lot easier and being poor and doing LL is also dumb. If you are already poor how are you going to survive without working a whole year? And you will be even poorer after LL and you won't be even able to do physical work for more than a year.

Being poor and short sucks I agree with that, but risking your health for being not so short, poor and a cripple is just dumb.

This is just my opinion though, doesn't mean I'm right...

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Quote from: 123 on November 15, 2014, 05:05:22 PMHe's not wrong. People who suffer from short height have real problems and the worst part is to wait until you get LL done, so you can enjoy life.

I'm not talking about guys who are average and claim to have some bulls**t height neurosis, which doesn't even exist, they just use is it as an excuse to legitimate that they just want to be taller.

So having money makes it a lot easier and being poor and doing LL is also dumb. If you are already poor how are you going to survive without working a whole year? And you will be even poorer after LL and you won't be even able to do physical work for more than a year.

Being poor and short sucks I agree with that, but risking your health for being not so short, poor and a cripple is just dumb.

This is just my opinion though, doesn't mean I'm right...

Maybe, But there are more and more people that are taller than me here at 179-185.5cm, I think that for us is more like something that we want rather than something that we truly need. Height neurosis can be real at any height depending on your surroundings, But to claim that you've experienced height discrimination at 185.5 or at any height that is above average is almost insane. Its really hard to decide who is sane and who is insane on the internet even for a legitimate psychologist 

If you're poor and above or equal to the average height of your region and you get a loan in order to do LL, Then there might be something wrong with you.

This isn't something that you decide to do in a heartbeat. You need to save up, Plan, Study proportions, And take into account many other things, It doesn't happen overnight.

It is true that shorter people have more issues regarding height, They feel pressured by this new retarded shallow and artificial society. They might be more affected by bb and height neurosis.

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Quote from: Hallijah on November 15, 2014, 03:29:10 PMstop talking bulls**t or convincing urself

What? I'm not convincing myself of anything, I have zero vested interest on whether my observations accurate.

I pretty thoroughly backed up my observations, and I am not saying its a universal rule. I've read these forums and met other LL patients- Including sane and down to earth ones who went to india and know of less than together people who went to Paley, so I'm not demonizing anyone inherently for what dr. they go to- Only that I suspect I didn't meet the more mental patients because I went to Paley, despite seeing people on forums on this subject that aren't mentally all there.

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Quote from: TheRisingShorty on November 15, 2014, 04:00:12 PMFrom what you have said, wouldn't it mean that people who undergo LL with Dr.Paley be more "crazy" because it would've taken them many years to save up for Paley, adding years of frustration together with the existing height neurosis? We shouldn't ignore the fact people can also have mental issues regardless of whether they can afford expensive doctors.
On the contrary, people who go to cheaper doctors fix their problem much earlier rather than waiting to save up for Paley, Guichet,Rozbruch etc....Some people that can afford top end doctors may end up having surgery with cheaper alternatives in order to save money.
If you read some of the patient diaries from top end doctors, I'm pretty sure you will be able to tell how insane they are lol. Therefore I simply don't believe that crazy people are most likely going to end up with cheaper doctors.

The key point you are missing is that a lot of the people who go to Paley DONT need to save at all. They have the money for the surgery and then some. I am reasonably well off and was able to afford surgery as soon as I decided to have it done, while having some savings left, but suspect I was one of the least wealthy of the patients I met, with the operation being a negligible monetary decision for them. Many patients were being paid for by their parents so that isn't even a concern to them. Someone pursuing LL under that kind of circumstance is obviously much more likely to be in a good state of mind than the person stressing for months/years to make it happen in a different country.

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I think those who have the money to do this right away can also be at a disadvantage. One good thing about having to save the money is that you're forced to take the time and work hard saving for the operation, which will allow more time for vigorous research. On the other hand you can have the money right away to go to a top doctor just like that which isn't always a good thing. What about the wealthy ones who barely did any research and wound up hating the whole process later? Doesn't Leechlet regret what he did?

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Quote from: dck Dastardly on November 15, 2014, 09:21:34 PMI think those who have the money to do this right away can also be at a disadvantage. One good thing about having to save the money is that you're forced to take the time and work hard saving for the operation, which will allow more time for vigorous research. On the other hand you can have the money right away to go to a top doctor just like that which isn't always a good thing. What about the wealthy ones who barely did any research and wound up hating the whole process later? Doesn't Leechlet regret what he did?

don't use a spoilt child as an example, he was too young to understand its consequences or the amount of energy required, he gave up before even starting the elongation

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embrace your freakiness if you can't change it!!

being short might be a problem for some and for others it might not. The truth of this matter is that the real problem about height is within our mind. Yes, you might be discriminated, left over, not get that girl you want, not be able to get that job you want, etc... but lets face it, being short or even super short (male below 150cms) in compare to other problems is insignificant.

anyone can make a case that they have a real problem, ANYONE!!!

I deal with very wealthy people in my job and trust me to many of them they have a real problem in their mind just like all of us with short stature. So again most of these type of problems are within our head. Even a rich, tall, handsome man might feel like he has real problems.

For some:

being 140cms is a problem, for some being 165cms, or even 170cms is a problem. For others, having cancer is a problem, HIV, not having money for food or rent, or having love issues, lossing a leg, etc. For some, not be able to go to a nice vacation, firing their house keeper and now the wife must do the cleaning at home might be a real problem. Again, anyone can make a case for having a REAL PROBLEM! all depends on what context. So if you think your problems, or your current situation sucks ass, well re-think my friend. Im sure some people will be completely happy to be YOU!

lol now attack me:)))



to all people who think they have a problem, including me of course:))

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You're so edgy and cool, RGKEY.

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Quote from: dck Dastardly on November 16, 2014, 12:30:09 AMYou're so edgy and cool, RGKEY.

lol thanx haha!) just saying what's inside of me, and always searching for the truth of life!)

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Quote from: programdude on November 15, 2014, 08:49:11 PMWhat? I'm not convincing myself of anything, I have zero vested interest on whether my observations accurate.

I pretty thoroughly backed up my observations, and I am not saying its a universal rule. I've read these forums and met other LL patients- Including sane and down to earth ones who went to india and know of less than together people who went to Paley, so I'm not demonizing anyone inherently for what dr. they go to- Only that I suspect I didn't meet the more mental patients because I went to Paley, despite seeing people on forums on this subject that aren't mentally all there.

What you may have seen in other patients may not mirror their true state of mind, just like the saying "you cannot judge a book by its cover". It's unfair to base your conclusion by only observing a small portion of Paley patients.
Quote from: programdude on November 15, 2014, 08:58:39 PMThe key point you are missing is that a lot of the people who go to Paley DONT need to save at all. They have the money for the surgery and then some.

A person that develops height neurosis overnight and/or decides to undergo LL in several days or even months seems pretty crazy to me, regardless of their financial circumstances. I reckon that a sane person would take year(s) to fully research LL and decide whether LL would truly benefit them in the long run before sacrificing their resources and wellbeing.
Quote from: programdude on November 15, 2014, 02:49:49 PMSomeone who either knows they are stuck at a height they find undesirable for life, or who has to wait awhile to fix it and obsesses over it in the meantime before going to a doctor they know is not ideal, and potentially being anxious about complications of their decision is likelier to be A. More strung out/stressed B. More obsessed with the issue of height C. More bitter about the whole situation since it was much harder for them to resolve.

We must remember that individuals react differently. A person who is long suffering because of their height and lack of resources may end up becoming a stronger and sane person during LL compared to a person who is well off and jumps straight in LL without having any knowledge of what to expect and then end up struggling with severe depression and/or other mental issues.
The key issue is individual variation and financial circumstances does not indicate how a person would react to LL or how crazy they're.
Quote from: dck Dastardly on November 15, 2014, 09:21:34 PMI think those who have the money to do this right away can also be at a disadvantage. One good thing about having to save the money is that you're forced to take the time and work hard saving for the operation, which will allow more time for vigorous research. On the other hand you can have the money right away to go to a top doctor just like that which isn't always a good thing. What about the wealthy ones who barely did any research and wound up hating the whole process later?

I agree with you! It's very dangerous and insane to jump straight into LL within days or even months. People should research LL for atleast a year and introspect much about whether LL will benefit them.
Personally, I'm glad that I waited 5 years since I couldn't afford any LL doctors when I first found out about LL during my teenage years. But it gave me the opportunity to do thorough research on LL and also gave me the strength to face and deal with society while being 5'3 without becoming crazy or indulging in self destructive behaviours.
My top doctor choices for my femurs were Dr.Paley and Dr.Rozbruch. I would've been able to afford Dr.Paley next year. But I'm so glad that I waited it out and found Dr.Birkholtz (thanks to Kilokahn & LL Forum ) and saved $50000+. I personally believe that he did a equally good job (or perhaps better) as Dr.Paley or Dr.Rozbruch.