Limb Lengthening has gone Viral… I don’t like it

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Quote from: Growing on October 02, 2021, 06:09:35 PMPeople are dumb. They don't realize how bad this is for people that want to do it. I hate social media sometimes. Some things just need to be left in the dark and only found if people seek it out. Like Cosmetic limb Lengthening.

Agree to disagree.

CLL awareness is great for everyone as it will democratize the procedure, widen the popularity, decrease the cost while making it accessible.

it will also increase acceptance of CLL.

Everyone knows breast augmentations are popular. It’s also easy to know who got one.
Guys still love fake tits. The fact that it is known is not bad for women.

Chill guys and  go with the flow. It’s going to be Ok

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Quote from: Michael J. Assayag, MD on October 02, 2021, 07:18:59 PM
Agree to disagree.

CLL awareness is great for everyone as it will democratize the procedure, widen the popularity, decrease the cost while making it accessible.

it will also increase acceptance of CLL.

Everyone knows breast augmentations are popular. It’s also easy to know who got one.
Guys still love fake tits. The fact that it is known is not bad for women.

Chill guys and  go with the flow. It’s going to be Ok

Exactly, who cares if cll is mainstream?
Very few people would do it even if the price 1/3 of what it costs. Many people don’t have the courage, energy, or resources (work time off, etc) to be able to do it. Very few people are going to break their legs to get taller. Even if it does get popular, it’ll be accepted more. Who cares, stop complaining it’s not the end of the world if people know about this procedure. Just like it’s not the end of the world when boob jobs and rhinoplasty became mainstream. Stop overthinking

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The only ones that benefit from the cosmetic leg lengthening being mainstream are the doctors that have a financial incentive and may also want to increase their ego/celebrity status. Patients who find out about it right away often go to some random doctor because the doctors advertising cosmetic lengthening downplay the risks, then they do something stupid like quadrilateral lengthening, external femur, lengthening way beyond normal limit and such.

The nature of cosmetic lengthening is it being more high risk than lengthening for correcting deformity or birth defects. As Doctor Mangal Parihar said in his interview with Cyborg4life, with cosmetic lengthenings you are taking normal people and stretching them. So you have to be absolutely perfect because even a slight permanent decrease in range of motion or foot movement is turning a normal person abnormal. Many, many complications can arise with this surgery which is why you should only go to those at the very top of the pyramid who have been doing corrective surgery for at least a couple decades on real patients so they have seen every type of complications that can happen and even further know how to prevent them and moreover treat them. Making this more popular is not increasing the amount of doctors with the experience to do this. It just increases the doctors who want to hop on what they see is the money train. Not every country has protection for patients like in the West and even then it is hard to prove negligence, so what happens when more and more people are getting experimented on by surgeon juniors?

Trying to make this surgery mainstream is very very irresponsible.

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Quote from: Michael J. Assayag, MD on October 02, 2021, 07:18:59 PM
Agree to disagree.

CLL awareness is great for everyone as it will democratize the procedure, widen the popularity, decrease the cost while making it accessible.

it will also increase acceptance of CLL.

Everyone knows breast augmentations are popular. It’s also easy to know who got one.
Guys still love fake tits. The fact that it is known is not bad for women.

Chill guys and  go with the flow. It’s going to be Ok

CLL awareness has definately increased over the past 20 years. Have prices actually been dropping? This is a genuine question. For the sake of argument consider as well very short men say 165cm and under. If everyone gets access to CLL it won't help them at all since guys at 170cm will then want LL and so on.

The fake tits comparison isn't fair as women are allowed to have insecurities whereas male insecurities (this surgery is largely male) are generally mocked. I understand your point of view and if I was a surgeon performing CLL I'd say the same but as a patient this becoming known is terrible.

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Short people are thought of as borderline sub-human.  Popularizing LL risks exposing the lie that we're trying to get people to believe about us here: that our genes aren't garbage and we aren't second class life forms.

Breast implants aren't a good analogy.  Kiera Knightly isn't hurting for dates or job opportunities because of her flat chest.

Quote from: Highest on October 02, 2021, 10:14:52 PMHave prices actually been dropping?

What do you think.

It's a major surgery, not subject to economics of scale except for the nails maybe.  In fact, the more popular it becomes, it might actually become more expensive since there's a finite supply of qualified individuals and facilities that can perform any medical procedure of any kind in the first place.  Any new medical phenomenon that doesn't displace an old one adds to the cost of all medical treatments by staking a new claim on a piece of a limited supply.

A hundred years ago doctors were barely middle class in America.  Then Medicare came along and the government started providing free medical care to everyone over 65.  Now doctors are millionaires.  The U.S. government spent $776 billion on healthcare last year.

Limited supply + increased demand = price increases.

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Quote from: SirStretchAlot on October 02, 2021, 11:07:30 AMI think you just contradicted yourself in the same point haha. We are doing this to satisfy society's discrimination against our preceived short stature.

I don't care about what other people think about having a cosmetic limb lengthening surgery, but I care a bit about how people would threat me for being short.
But I would like to be taller because of me, I would like to be taller just because I like it.

CLL (well done) is good, it allows people to have the body that they want.
I don't want to live in a body that I don't want, and a lot of short people too. Those people and me would be happier being taller and this surgery would allow it. Being short increases the chances of committing suicide and "get therapy / hit the gym / get counselling / buy shoelifts / move to another country / just develop a new skill / buy an expensive house, phone, car or bike / buy certain clothes / get a certain haircut" don't work, because those "tricks" don't make you taller, maybe some of them make you apparently taller, but that is not a physical height, so I don't need them. Another "tricks" try to mask your unhappiness with unneeded luxury, so that would not work for me. Therapy also doesn't work for me. I want real stature, just like other people are, not "stature-tricks".

There is nothing wrong about giving people the opportunity of being taller, stronger, smarter...

Instead of keeping CLL "underground", it's better to give people proper information about limits, how avoid risks, advice, advantages or disadvantages of methods...
Being taller will make people happier, a lot of people is sad due their short stature.

I hope that the prices go down, at least in most of countries including EU.
Quote from: Activatedxx on October 02, 2021, 08:10:48 PMStop overthinking

I agree, stop overthinking, CLL becoming main stream don't affect people who don't get the surgery.

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Even if it becomes popular, it will never be "common". Many women still do not dare to have breast surgery, or nose jobs, many people still do not decide to do simple surgeries to eliminate notorious imperfections. Did you know that there is a surgery to change eye color naturally by laser? and it is relatively cheap, however, it is not so popular, no one dares to do it, LL is for brave and people with money, not everyone will afford it even if the procedure is 3 times cheaper than it costs.

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Quote from: Highest on October 02, 2021, 01:27:04 PMAwareness increasing is terrible for LL patients. Good luck getting away with awkward proportions in future. Short arms like the guy in OPs photo, tibia/femur ratio is off or legs too long for torso YOU WILL BE CALLED OUT. Everyone here should hope this never gets into the popular consciousness.

I don't care about those negative people, I care about people who would accept me.

About proportions: In my case, they will be improved.
Quote from: Want-3-inches on October 02, 2021, 12:53:09 PMNo, as long as there are surgeons seeking to make money from this, there will only be more marketing going forward. It's the same as with any cosmetic procedure.

They seek to make money just like a singer sings to sell his / her music, there is nothing wrong if they do the procedure well.

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Quote from: LeoGb on October 03, 2021, 02:35:05 AMEven if it becomes popular, it will never be "common". Many women still do not dare to have breast surgery, or nose jobs, many people still do not decide to do simple surgeries to eliminate notorious imperfections. Did you know that there is a surgery to change eye color naturally by laser? and it is relatively cheap, however, it is not so popular, no one dares to do it, LL is for brave and people with money, not everyone will afford it even if the procedure is 3 times cheaper than it costs.

One thing for sure, LL will only become more popular than now, and the procedure will be safer and simpler than now. Do you agree?

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The only ways I see it becoming a little cheaper:

1) Nails get cheaper due to scale of production and competitors
2) Patients get discharged after a day of surgery once they devise safe protocols for surgery which minimise chances of fat embolism, swelling, blood loss, etc.
3) The surgery gets outsourced to cheaper countries like Paley did with his Poland center. Good doctors can be trained anywhere and basic hygiene isn't rocket science. Most countries have a basic autoclave for example.