I'm sorry I don't understand completely. So you use a walker ok? you put weight in your arms and you do a step. after you finish said step you can let go of your hands? or you have to keep holding with your arms never letting go of the walker?
No time on a wheelchair at all?
Yes, they don't put full weight on their legs. That's why it's recommended to work on your arm strength before the surgery. I heard of many people that did 5 cm that did full weight bearing walking in 3 months with precise as well so Guichet torture device is not all that grand.
Quote from: LLSouthAmerica on June 07, 2017, 08:06:03 PMBody Builder he said 4 month until weight bearing, that does not mean 4 months until walking but 4 months until standing up and walking with crutches. That is 4 months in wheelchair for me it is too much.
I didn't have pain in clicking and my consolidation is as good as the rest or better though I will take an xray in one month which will settle whether or not I'm good for running.
There are a lot of reasons, I cannot simply tolerate months in a wheelchair and 6 months without walking normally. It is the fastest recovery, as I've seen other patients like me who are my friends they are back to work 3 months after surgery.
Why would there be more risk of nonunion or slow consolidation? Where are the studies that say so, because when I decided to have LL I did not find any difference between intramedullary nails in bone healing.
I don't know the exact reason but all the patients with albizzia have a much slower bone consolidation that precise-fitbone users.
It has something to do with the way of clicking or the size of the nail but I am not sure.
Also, the real difference of walking completely unaided is about 1-1.5 month between albizzia and precise-fitbone which is minimal compared to the drawbacks of albizzia I mentioned before.
So paying huge amounts of money to a greedy doctor like Guichet for an outdated nail is simply a joke.
Betz is cheaper but still when you can use precise in europe for the same money or fitbone with even less he is still a bad option.
Generally speaking the only reason to use albizzia is to save at least 10k euros from doing lengthening with precise or fitbone.
But from the moment that you pay more, this nail is really a bad decision and the main reason that some doctors still use it is to gain more money as they charge a lot of money with a cheap nail so if they used the other two more expensive nails they would have had less profit.
Quote from: bander72 on June 07, 2017, 09:05:38 PMYes, they don't put full weight on their legs. That's why it's recommended to work on your arm strength before the surgery. I heard of many people that did 5 cm that did full weight bearing walking in 3 months with precise as well so Guichet torture device is not all that grand.
That's good. It's faster than I thought previously. How do you advance the walker if you can't stop putting your weight on it?
Like I told you, for me it was not torture at all but I know patients have a lot of pain on average indeed. However, to be able to be off the wheelchair and recover normal walking like I did, it's worth every amount of pain. Just the first point was a selling point for me. I don't know if you have done LL bander but being in crutches is hard man, and I imagine it's harder on a wheelchair.
Quote from: Body Builder on June 07, 2017, 09:45:31 PMI don't know the exact reason but all the patients with albizzia have a much slower bone consolidation that precise-fitbone users.
It has something to do with the way of clicking or the size of the nail but I am not sure.
Also, the real difference of walking completely unaided is about 1-1.5 month between albizzia and precise-fitbone which is minimal compared to the drawbacks of albizzia I mentioned before.
So paying huge amounts of money to a greedy doctor like Guichet for an outdated nail is simply a joke.
Betz is cheaper but still when you can use precise in europe for the same money or fitbone with even less he is still a bad option.
Generally speaking the only reason to use albizzia is to save at least 10k euros from doing lengthening with precise or fitbone.
But from the moment that you pay more, this nail is really a bad decision and the main reason that some doctors still use it is to gain more money as they charge a lot of money with a cheap nail so if they used the other two more expensive nails they would have had less profit.
I don't know where that comes from, never before have I read that difference in bone consolidation in any paper when I researched about LL. I think a lot of people here do hearsay, I want to know if what you say is the truth. Not only for me but for all limb lengtheners. What I know if that I've seen all my friends walking upstairs and sitting without crutches less than 1 month after lenghtening and returning to normal life 3 months after surgery.
I don't support Dr Guichet nor his decisions, but I had no shortage of money and I think I made the best decision. Say what you will but who of you started walking in 2 months and normally in 3 months? 1 month in a wheelchair is not a lot? For vain, height obsessed people it's not but for normal people it is a lot. The atrophy is not good for muscles especially after a certain age where myogenesis is at the lowest point.
Quote from: LLSouthAmerica on June 07, 2017, 09:55:04 PMThat's good. It's faster than I thought previously. How do you advance the walker if you can't stop putting your weight on it?
The walker has wheels, you roll it forward
Quote from: 6FeetSoon on June 07, 2017, 10:03:16 PMThe walker has wheels, you roll it forward
Brilliant I don't know why in my mind I pictured the wheelless walker haha
g nail advantage is weight bearing, but I would look for a nail that better offers reverse mechanism ,And the only one is precice, not even fitbone or ISKD. If It were possible in Unicorns case It would be a different thing. Going to betz is simply a joke, after talking a look to his rate of complications And his romance with Apo, at least Guitchet is better Technically.
Quote from: TIBIKE200 on June 07, 2017, 04:16:53 PMAnd how well did you recover?
First off, not going to mention my doctor because of all the uneducated trolls. And sorry for thread takeover.
I am almost 2 years post-op and feel 90%. I admit I am one of the lucky ones, almost zero pain throughout the process and full consolidation in both femurs. I did no stretching pre-op and little to no physio post-op, relying on everyday movement to stretch--my ROM is still bad, but gets better every month.
On day 3, I was able to use a walker to use the restroom. A wheelchair was required for the first month, but I slowly phased it out for a walker then crutches. Around the 4th month mark, 2 weeks after I stopped lengthening, I started doing full weight bearing--without permission from my doctor. I literally drove to restaurants and walked 50 steps inside, which made all the difference in the world and makes you feel normal in the most wonderful way.
In my opinion, Precise > Fitbone > G-nail > Betzbone. Never would I ever consider doing externals--how barbaric.
Quote from: onemorefoot on June 07, 2017, 10:15:22 PMg nail advantage is weight bearing, but I would look for a nail that better offers reverse mechanism ,And the only one is precice, not even fitbone or ISKD. If It were possible in Unicorns case It would be a different thing. Going to betz is simply a joke, after talking a look to his rate of complications And his romance with Apo, at least Guitchet is better Technically.
In my humble opinion, it is indeed true that the reverse mechanism would have helped a lot in Unicorns case. However I think she was cared poorly because she was an asian lady, and she lengthened at a rate which of course could have been alright for a white young male but in her case it was not for the best. And also, because with a close follow up x ray at 15 days post op and definitely at 30 days post op you KNOW if you are going well or badly in terms of consolidation. If someone had seen her xray at that time and said, the bone is not healing she would have stopped then and there or at least lengthen very very slowly.
PS Sorry for the thread hijack 6FeetSoon if you want me to stop posting just tell me so
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