Limb lengthening with Fitbone

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Posted on Mar 1, 2017, 7:43 pm

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Quote from: jojo on March 01, 2017, 06:46:47 PMim so exited for you

Thanks!

Me too. Cannot wait till my final bone measurement in two week from today.

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Posted on Mar 1, 2017, 7:46 pm

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Quote from: Datum on March 01, 2017, 07:25:16 PMHaving a physiotherapist is very important. I wouldn't trust a person who isn't a true physiotherapist. The worst part is Claudio lied and said he was a physiotherapist. Expatients can prove it because they went to the College to check. Besides he isn't so competent because some people were hurt by him according to notimportant. Antonio did you have physical therapy with him? Can you prove he is a physiotherapist? Helloworld is kind of accepting he isn't a physiotherapist so I guess Notimportant is right.

As far as I know, Claudio does not have the Spanish licence. But he can still work as a personal trainer for physical rehabilitation, and for me the best term to describe it is "physiotherapist".
If he stated "physiotherapist" he probably just wanted to simplify the term "ersonal trainer for physical rehabilitation".

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Posted on Mar 1, 2017, 11:08 pm

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While Claudio may well be an accomplished and capable personal trainer, there is a substantial difference between a personal trainer, even one with years of experience and a qualified physiotherapist who has undergone years of moderated university study, supervised practice, placements and examinations leading to a degree to ensure they are proficient in their role.

I have never heard of a personal trainer, even one who is training their client in physical rehabilitation described or describe themselves as a physiotherapist, this would be similar to someone who has undergone a 2 day course first aid training just attempting to simplify the term by calling themselves a medical doctor as this would be quite the misrepresentation. It would probably be beneficial for users to avoid calling Claudio a physiotherapist in the future to avoid this misunderstanding and criticism, if it is indeed true that Claudio is not a licensed physiotherapist. Maybe somebody in touch with Monegal or Claudio should seek clarification to put this issue to rest.

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Posted on Mar 2, 2017, 6:28 pm

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Just came back from a nice excursion to the beach town Sitges, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitges, with musicmaker, Auron, another patient and Dr. Monegal. Dr. Monegal invited all of us to his new restaurant next to the beach.
All the patients are doing well and all were happy.
About Claudio: Dr. Monegal says that his qualification is not from Spain, and thus he would have to do a license, which he has not done yet. However, the doctor knows Claudio very well and trusts him a lot.
When I asked the doctor about Cooper diary the doctor became quite emotional as he was blocked by the patient on all communication channels before he got a chance to correct a condition. He was telling us about a lot of cases that he gets regularly from other limb lengthening doctors especially from Russian and Serbia, where he has to correct other doctor's bad results and about the non-cosmetic cases where he is able to make a real positive impact on patient's life, where people show their gratitude, while some of the cosmetic patient just assume that there is no risk and anything that is less from perfect is the doctor's fault.

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Posted on Mar 2, 2017, 6:53 pm

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Quote from: helloworld on March 02, 2017, 06:28:49 PMJust came back from a nice excursion to the beach town Sitges, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitges, with musicmaker, Auron, another patient and Dr. Monegal. Dr. Monegal invited all of us to his new restaurant next to the beach. All the patients are doing well and all were happy.

This sounds fantastic, it's so important to socialize and maintain a positive outlook during the procedure and I'm sure bonding and going on excursions with others is great for morale. What did everyone have to eat?

QuoteAbout Claudio: Dr. Monegal says that his qualification is not from Spain, and thus he would have to do a license, which he has not done yet. However, the doctor knows Claudio very well and trusts him a lot.

Thank you for the clarification.

QuoteWhen I asked the doctor about Cooper diary the doctor became quite emotional as he was blocked by the patient on all communication channels before he got a chance to correct a condition. He was telling us about a lot of cases that he gets regularly from other limb lengthening doctors especially from Russian and Serbia, where he has to correct other doctor's bad results and about the non-cosmetic cases where he is able to make a real positive impact on patient's life, where people show their gratitude, while some of the cosmetic patient just assume that there is no risk and anything that is less from perfect is the doctor's fault.

While I do agree many people do not treat the risks associated with limb lengthening as seriously as they should, I don't believe many believe there is no risk. I assume they believe that with a good doctor the risks are drastically reduced and expect at least somewhat of a satisfactory outcome for the money and time they are investing meaning when very severe, possibly permanent and disabling complications arise they are understandably upset and hold the doctor responsible - whether the blame lies with the doctor or not. What I will say is what Cooper endured was severe, painful, damaging and frustrating so I can somewhat understand that he felt he needed to go elsewhere to solve his issues if he personally felt unable to trust Monegal further and wasn't satisfied with his experience - this is a patients prerogative and we ought to respect that.

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Quote from: helloworld on March 02, 2017, 06:28:49 PMJust came back from a nice excursion to the beach town Sitges, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitges, with musicmaker, Auron, another patient and Dr. Monegal. Dr. Monegal invited all of us to his new restaurant next to the beach. All the patients are doing well and all were happy.

This sounds fantastic, it's so important to socialize and maintain a positive outlook during the procedure and I'm sure bonding and going on excursions with others is great for morale. What did everyone have to eat?

QuoteAbout Claudio: Dr. Monegal says that his qualification is not from Spain, and thus he would have to do a license, which he has not done yet. However, the doctor knows Claudio very well and trusts him a lot.

Thank you for the clarification.

QuoteWhen I asked the doctor about Cooper diary the doctor became quite emotional as he was blocked by the patient on all communication channels before he got a chance to correct a condition. He was telling us about a lot of cases that he gets regularly from other limb lengthening doctors especially from Russian and Serbia, where he has to correct other doctor's bad results and about the non-cosmetic cases where he is able to make a real positive impact on patient's life, where people show their gratitude, while some of the cosmetic patient just assume that there is no risk and anything that is less from perfect is the doctor's fault.

While I do agree many people do not treat the risks associated with limb lengthening as seriously as they should, I don't believe many believe there is no risk. I assume they believe that with a good doctor the risks are drastically reduced and expect at least somewhat of a satisfactory outcome for the money and time they are investing meaning when very severe, possibly permanent and disabling complications arise they are understandably upset and hold the doctor responsible - whether the blame lies with the doctor or not. What I will say is what Cooper endured was severe, painful, damaging and frustrating so I can somewhat understand that he felt he needed to go elsewhere to solve his issues if he personally felt unable to trust Monegal further and wasn't satisfied with his experience - this is a patients prerogative and we ought to respect that.

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Posted on Mar 2, 2017, 8:33 pm

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Quote from: 682 on March 02, 2017, 06:53:50 PMThis sounds fantastic, it's so important to socialize and maintain a positive outlook during the procedure and I'm sure bonding and going on excursions with others is great for morale. What did everyone have to eat?

Thank you for the clarification.
Welcome!

While I do agree many people do not treat the risks associated with limb lengthening as seriously as they should, I don't believe many believe there is no risk. I assume they believe that with a good doctor the risks are drastically reduced and expect at least somewhat of a satisfactory outcome for the money and time they are investing meaning when very severe, possibly permanent and disabling complications arise they are understandably upset and hold the doctor responsible - whether the blame lies with the doctor or not. What I will say is what Cooper endured was severe, painful, damaging and frustrating so I can somewhat understand that he felt he needed to go elsewhere to solve his issues if he personally felt unable to trust Monegal further and wasn't satisfied with his experience - this is a patients prerogative and we ought to respect that.

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I agree! :-)
Argentinian menu: empanada, beef in different forms, salad, some catalan specialty, salad with squid, red wine.

2. Welcome

3. From the almost 10 patients of Dr. Monegal, I got to know personally, all were satisfied. I do not know the specifics of the Cooper situation and have never talked to him.

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Posted on Mar 4, 2017, 1:07 am

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Cooper was messed, but even Paley has had mistakes. Internal tibia is difficult to perform.

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Posted on Mar 4, 2017, 1:46 am

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Helloworld I would ask you not to lie but you have become like all Spaniards. Claudio doesn't have a university degree in Spain nor in South America nor in physiotherapist nor in sport science. He has literally nothing but a ty certificate from a 6 month sport course, not university level and valid for nothing. Prove me he has a degree. One prospective patient who didn't get the surgery investigated and you can get the same qualification he has by doing a 2 days online course. The worst thing for me is the Doctor is recommending him instead of a true physiotherapist. Time will tell. One day he will fk a patient he will go to jail and I will publish this in the forum.

there are other patients with complications apart from Coper and you know it. Your friend Musicmaker for example is the worst case but there are many others, virtually nobody without complications.

Congratulations for the food. Food is the only good thing about the Spanish LL option. But I think he has bought your silence with that food all of you.

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Posted on Mar 4, 2017, 8:47 am

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Quote from: notimportant on March 04, 2017, 01:46:56 AMHelloworld I would ask you not to lie but you have become like all Spaniards. Claudio doesn't have a university degree in Spain nor in South America nor in physiotherapist nor in sport science. He has literally nothing but a crapty certificate from a 6 month sport course, not university level and valid for nothing. Prove me he has a degree. One prospective patient who didn't get the surgery investigated and you can get the same qualification he has by doing a 2 days online course. The worst thing for me is the Doctor is recommending him instead of a true physiotherapist. Time will tell. One day he will fk a patient he will go to jail and I will publish this in the forum.

there are other patients with complications apart from Coper and you know it. Your friend Musicmaker for example is the worst case but there are many others, virtually nobody without complications.

Congratulations for the food. Food is the only good thing about the Spanish LL option. But I think he has bought your silence with that food all of you.

Notimportant, thanks for your advice. You can rest assured that I have never lied in this forum, nor tried to make people think certain positive things that I do not believe myself.
There are many other patients apart from Cooper but none of them is patient of Monegal. In fact, I think Monegal has almost as amny patients that asked him to do corrections from LL surgery they had done with several Russian doctors, Mitkovic and Guichet, as new cosmetic limb lengthening patients. Also, from all the patients I met, I met 8 patients that are all doing fine, apart from having muscle tension and sometimes even pain, but no complication, except for myself who had to have a fitbone replaced. The only one is musicmaker, who did have a lot of problems, due to primarily bad luck and also implant failure, and probably also some doctor and patient fault. But even musicmaker highly recommends Dr. Monegal!!!

I admit that when I chose Dr. Monegal I thought: "This is cheapest option in internal limb lengthening within developed countries and I do not see any reason why he would be worse than the other options like Paley, Baumgart or Guichet." However, this has changed to "OMG I got not only the cheapest but also the best, better than Paley, Baumgart and Guichet."

About Dr. Monegal inviting us to "buy" promotion or "buy" silence: I know that he also has invited other patients twice to watch football games of FC Barcelona and neither patient has a diary. I felt the real reason was that Dr. Monegal was extremely happy when the x-rays of all the patients where good, even that of musicmaker, because it was right after he saw the musicmaker's x-rays that he invited all of us, while being at the clinic together.

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Quote from: notimportant on March 04, 2017, 01:46:56 AMHelloworld I would ask you not to lie but you have become like all Spaniards. Claudio doesn't have a university degree in Spain nor in South America nor in physiotherapist nor in sport science. He has literally nothing but a crapty certificate from a 6 month sport course, not university level and valid for nothing. Prove me he has a degree. One prospective patient who didn't get the surgery investigated and you can get the same qualification he has by doing a 2 days online course. The worst thing for me is the Doctor is recommending him instead of a true physiotherapist. Time will tell. One day he will fk a patient he will go to jail and I will publish this in the forum.

there are other patients with complications apart from Coper and you know it. Your friend Musicmaker for example is the worst case but there are many others, virtually nobody without complications.

Congratulations for the food. Food is the only good thing about the Spanish LL option. But I think he has bought your silence with that food all of you.

Notimportant, thanks for your advice. You can rest assured that I have never lied in this forum, nor tried to make people think certain positive things that I do not believe myself.
There are many other patients apart from Cooper but none of them is patient of Monegal. In fact, I think Monegal has almost as amny patients that asked him to do corrections from LL surgery they had done with several Russian doctors, Mitkovic and Guichet, as new cosmetic limb lengthening patients. Also, from all the patients I met, I met 8 patients that are all doing fine, apart from having muscle tension and sometimes even pain, but no complication, except for myself who had to have a fitbone replaced. The only one is musicmaker, who did have a lot of problems, due to primarily bad luck and also implant failure, and probably also some doctor and patient fault. But even musicmaker highly recommends Dr. Monegal!!!

I admit that when I chose Dr. Monegal I thought: "This is cheapest option in internal limb lengthening within developed countries and I do not see any reason why he would be worse than the other options like Paley, Baumgart or Guichet." However, this has changed to "OMG I got not only the cheapest but also the best, better than Paley, Baumgart and Guichet."

About Dr. Monegal inviting us to "buy" promotion or "buy" silence: I know that he also has invited other patients twice to watch football games of FC Barcelona and neither patient has a diary. I felt the real reason was that Dr. Monegal was extremely happy when the x-rays of all the patients where good, even that of musicmaker, because it was right after he saw the musicmaker's x-rays that he invited all of us, while being at the clinic together.

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Posted on Mar 4, 2017, 10:16 am

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Notimportant, people are following my diary wanting to know more about my experience, in order to see if LL is for them, and if to do it in Spain. That is why it is important that everything I write is the truth and ideally verified and not just opinion. But the same goes for you! So as you seem to have read a lot of patient experiences, maybe you could make a list of actual Monegal patients that have a positive opinion vs. those that have a negative opinion.

On this forum I have counted the following:
Negative opinion: 2 Cooper, LLuser (not sure if he is patient)
Positive opinion: 13 helloworld, Musicmaker, Auron, Yagan, Krp1, Antonio, Bohemia, Crimsontide, SnD, glenn, aboali, nomad, shortdarkandhandsome.

You seem quite intelligent, notimportant, so I am surprised you would come to the conclusion that Dr. Monegal is a bad doctor or is there anything that I am missing?

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