New generations are taller, it's science (and Italians overcome Americans!)

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Quote from: Body Builder on May 04, 2017, 03:21:43 PM682, there were short basketball players like mugsy bogues.  But it is insane to not understand why basketball is not a proof that very tall men are as athletic as more average ones, because in this sport you should put the ball in a basket which is  10 feet from the ground!
If this basket was 4 feet from the ground the best basketball players would have been short men.
So basketball can't really be a proof about the athletic abilities of tall men.

You mentioned boxers. You forgot the heavyweight champion and one of the best of all times boxer Mike Tyson who is less than 5.10.
Also, the best MMA fighter alive, Conor Mc Gregor, who is 5.8 and the richest and undefeatable boxer, Floyd Mayweather who is about 5.7.

Also, in a sport that height really doesn't matter and is the most commercial in the world, football, the best player now is the less than 5.7 ft Messi and the best player ever was for the majority of people Diego Maradona, a 5.5 man.

So if you want to talk with names, I can mention much more.
But my point is not that all tall men (6.2 and more for most sports) are bad at sports, but that more average height men have more benefits in the majority of sports because they have most of the benefits of tall and short men without the drawbacks they both have.

As it is hard for a short man to be competitive in most sports, the same happens with very tall men.

Sorry but i have to correct you on football since I live in Italy 😁 and it is the national sport.
The portoguese CRonnie7 is the best player in the world.In fact due to his very good height(strong 185 cm) he is a great header,jumper (40 cm) and scores a lot of head-gols.Because of his physical stamina,pace and strenght he holds contrast and the physicality of modern defenders.He is way mooore complete than Messi.The modern football is physical.
In fact CRonnie7 at 32 years is gonna win his 5 Golden Ball and he is having a great moment while Messi is clearly declinig,although being younger and technically better.
I have a friend which is taller than me.We have equal ball handling and skills but he is stronger because having longer legs implies a lot of vantages:faster in wide space,more powerful shoot (due to longer levers,it's physics),better header and physically syronger.
Today a guy with 185 cm and mediocre skills can find a position in a team easier than a 170 cm guy with good technique.The smaller guy wins only if he posses a remarkable technique.

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However i wrote CRonnie7 " the portoguese".Don't know why it was replaced with "Cronnie7" 😂😂😂
C'monn i wanted to write r-o-n-a-l-d-o

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Dreamer, the best player in the world right now is the 1.69 Messi and that's a fact for anyone that likes football.
Also he is maybe the best player ever or second to 1.65 Diego Maradona.

Anyway, you are right that an 1.85 player can find easier a team than an 1.70 because height favors nediocre players. But players with high technique are rarely more than average height.

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Quote from: Body Builder on September 03, 2017, 04:55:50 PMDreamer, the best player in the world right now is the 1.69 Messi and that's a fact for anyone that likes football.
Also he is maybe the best player ever or second to 1.65 Diego Maradona.

Anyway, you are right that an 1.85 player can find easier a team than an 1.70 because height favors nediocre players. But players with high technique are rarely more than average height.

That's one of the good things with soccer. You can be good if your short or tall as long as you have skill.

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Quote from: google42 on September 03, 2017, 05:19:49 PMThat's one of the good things with soccer. You can be good if your short or tall as long as you have skill.

that's actually the same everywhere. Allen Iverson had a best career than Manute Bol for exemple. The sport heightism is bullcrap, and especially in volley ball or basketball where most tall guys have career but most of the time not a good one.

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Quote from: Body Builder on September 03, 2017, 04:55:50 PMDreamer, the best player in the world right now is the 1.69 Messi and that's a fact for anyone that likes football.
Also he is maybe the best player ever or second to 1.65 Diego Maradona.

Anyway, you are right that an 1.85 player can find easier a team than an 1.70 because height favors nediocre players. But players with high technique are rarely more than average height.

Absolutely no way.CRonnie7 is better and will dominate also in the future.He has a perfect body and though trainings had made up a robot,a machine goal.Ambidextrous(Messi is single foot),best header in the world with the best elevation,between the fastest players in the world,powerfull shootings,great technique,man of the match,good dribbler(Messi is better due to a lower center of gravity),huge physicall power.
I don't know if you watch football.Have you seen the last spanish supercup and r-o-n-a-l-d-o-s performance ? His performance in the current Champions League ?
Messi outdside Barcelona is an average player(see Argentinian National Team)
CRonnie7 dominated the Premier League and also the spanish league,plays very good with Portugal(and Portugal is way weaker than Argentina).He shines in every team.
Messi in Premier League would be destroyed after two contrast and attempted dribbles.

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CRonnie7 is 32-33 yo and Messi almost 3 years younger.
So CRonnie7 can't do anything more in the future as he has at max 2 years more in the top class due to his age while Messi 4.
And it is critically acclaimed that Messi is the best footballer in the world so it is stupid to argue with you about that.

Anyway, on football most of the good players are average height or a little more.
But top players (not just good, TOP) are many times less than average height because low gravity centre is the best for players with high technique.
So height in football does not play a major role, on the contrast some times short height favour players.

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I keep having to remember that when you guys say football, you are talking about soccer.

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Quote from: Bander72 on September 04, 2017, 04:24:26 AMI keep having to remember that when you guys say football, you are talking about soccer.

Sorry Bander, but there is only one football and it is played with a round ball

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Quote from: LLSouthAmerica on September 04, 2017, 05:54:47 AMSorry Bander, but there is only one football and it is played with a round ball