New generations are taller, it's science (and Italians overcome Americans!)

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Makes me feel kinda sad how some average and tall people worry about height too.

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Avg height is not declining for caucasian males.  America has a large number of Mexicans and central american men that are BELOW 165 cm

Avg  height for an under 25 caucasian male in America is  around 180. over 5'10. UK  avg is shorter



 to the other  person that said only ratios matter, no, you are wrong.  Absolute numbers matter because   people   in general and tall people  specifically  are not distributed evenly throughout  the country

if you want to live in a major city such as los angeles or new york you will be competing against the elite not the avg.  Total numbers matter in this context

Since America has a much larger number of super tall people and because they are concentrated in major cities you will feel  much less avg living in a major American city.

Easier to be 176 in London than it is to be 176 in New York, and actually it's  partly due to the subsidies provided by the UK govt

NYC is   basically for only the wealthy now, not the poor or middle class. London  on the other hand is  for the wealthy,  and definitely not for the middle class, but the poor  can live in London as housing assistance is much more generous there

TBIKE, around 180, maybe a tad less. This would be the median for  caucasian males across the nation, though I suspect  higher in  upper class areas such as Manhattan or Silicon Valley


Quote from: Jack1066 on April 21, 2017, 09:18:33 PMBritish youth are probably taller because America has worse social programs and the average for British white kids (fully grown) might be closer to 6' than it is to my height (5' but it is no way 6'.

Maybe 5'11 max.

Anyway average height is supposed to be in decline in America.

Plus.. what you just said makes no sense. Average height in America and Italy is very similar for young white people (within a range of like 1.5 cm as far as I remember).

Given the way averages are calculated, it wouldn't make sense that there are much less super tall people in Italy.

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Quote from: crimsontide on April 21, 2017, 10:16:30 PMAvg height is not declining for caucasian males.  America has a large number of Mexicans and central american men that are BELOW 165 cm

Avg  height for an under 25 caucasian male in America is  around 180. over 5'10. UK  avg is shorter



 to the other  person that said only ratios matter, no, you are wrong.  Absolute numbers matter because   people   in general and tall people  specifically  are not distributed evenly throughout  the country

if you want to live in a major city such as los angeles or new york you will be competing against the elite not the avg.  Total numbers matter in this context

Since America has a much larger number of super tall people and because they are concentrated in major cities you will feel  much less avg living in a major American city.

Easier to be 176 in London than it is to be 176 in New York, and actually it's  partly due to the subsidies provided by the UK govt

NYC is   basically for only the wealthy now, not the poor or middle class. London  on the other hand is  for the wealthy,  and definitely not for the middle class, but the poor  can live in London as housing assistance is much more generous there

TBIKE, around 180, maybe a tad less. This would be the median for  caucasian males across the nation, though I suspect  higher in  upper class areas such as Manhattan or Silicon Valley

I live in the bay area and a major city san francisco. I don't notice Caucasians being that much taller they seem about 5 10. I would imagine in the Midwest that despite being less populated you would feel shorter because there is less minoritys. And op you showed how irrational you are when your own data shows that you're not short. If you were the 5 5 equivalent I would understand but you sound like that and your average height.

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Average height for Caucasians in the US is not 180.

Quote to the other  person that said only ratios matter, no, you are wrong.  Absolute numbers matter because   people   in general and tall people  specifically  are not distributed evenly throughout  the country

if you want to live in a major city such as los angeles or new york you will be competing against the elite not the avg.  Total numbers matter in this context

This just isn't true. Absolute numbers affect the ratio, a population with 50 million people and 20 million tall people will raise the average height, but obviously America with 300 million people will have more tall guys than Italy with 60 million people, but this is irrelevant.

And no, you won't be "competing against the elite" in a large city. This is bull . LA in particular has a very diverse population with a lot of Latins and Asians, and several people here have confirmed that living in LA as a short guy is much easier than living in the rural Mid West.

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Sigh, not this again.

Average height has not changed in America in the past 2 generations- not if you account for the fact that people generally lose a little height with age. Some studies even say it is now decreasing.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr010.pdf#page=15

press crtl+f and search for 178.9 on this link. The sample size is small, but big enough to give a fairly solid estimate.

Quite a few other studies back that up too. From what I remember, average height is actually declining in the USA now for some groups, and stagnating for almost everyone. Maybe that's because of wealth inequality, and the rich are getting taller and the poor are getting shorter, but I think it's more likely that height has almost been maxed out. This one gives the highest estimate for young white men I know of.

In the UK it is still increasing but very slowly. If I look around I'd say 175-182 cm is average, but that's just by eye- according to the statistics though, that should be about right.

It depends on where you are, too. I live in south Wales which is renowned for having short (white, British) men. I am 173 and even I am often one of the taller people in the room when I go out here- if I'm with local people- even with the young local people I'm solidly average. But with (wealthy) students from other parts of Britain, I am short. Their average is closer to 180 cm, but I think 183 cm still looks pretty tall, and I couldn't call that average- I have a few friends that height and they are noticeably tall.

Plus average height for white Italians was 175 in about 1970-80, but since the 90s it has increased. You can see that if you look on wikipedia. I imagine seeing as Italy is quite a wealthy nation it will probably not increase much more. 

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Lol, just realised I have commented twice on this thread.

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This generation is maybe 1-2cm (at best) more than the previous one but I am almost sure that height will not increase more in next generations.
Many countries face economical crisis (including Italy) and the strong majority of people in the world won't live wealthier than now, so future kids will be at max as tall as the current generation.

So no, 6.3 will never be the average height for men and everything above 5.10 will always be a respectable height for men anywhere in the world.
It doesn't matter only how much is the average height in each country but what heights make a man's body looks good and not small.
And even in countries where average is close to 6ft, a 5.10 frame will never look short while in countries where average is 5.5 (like China) a 5.6 man will still be short.

So I don't care if in a country the average is 6.3 (there is not such a country of course), if someone is 5.11 he will look very good and no short even there.

If you are above 5.11, height stops to matter.
I would never feel inferior to a 6.2 man if I was 5.11 due to my height because I don't think that being taller than that has any benefit or that a 6.2 body looks better than a 5.11 body. Almost most of the times a 5.11 frame is the ideal for a man.

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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on April 21, 2017, 08:54:20 PMSo you agree with the average height is 6' for white teens in the USA?

i'm 165 *autistic screeching* I banged an Italian girl from Italy.  What's the problem at 177? 

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Quote from: Body Builder on April 22, 2017, 08:54:31 PMThis generation is maybe 1-2cm (at best) more than the previous one but I am almost sure that height will not increase more in next generations.
Many countries face economical crisis (including Italy) and the strong majority of people in the world won't live wealthier than now, so future kids will be at max as tall as the current generation.

So no, 6.3 will never be the average height for men and everything above 5.10 will always be a respectable height for men anywhere in the world.
It doesn't matter only how much is the average height in each country but what heights make a man's body looks good and not small.
And even in countries where average is close to 6ft, a 5.10 frame will never look short while in countries where average is 5.5 (like China) a 5.6 man will still be short.

So I don't care if in a country the average is 6.3 (there is not such a country of course), if someone is 5.11 he will look very good and no short even there.

If you are above 5.11, height stops to matter.
I would never feel inferior to a 6.2 man if I was 5.11 due to my height because I don't think that being taller than that has any benefit or that a 6.2 body looks better than a 5.11 body. Almost most of the times a 5.11 frame is the ideal for a man.

How does wealth have to do with height overall?  Everyone in my family is short, billions wouldn't change genes. 

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Quote from: asfastaslight on May 03, 2017, 01:00:51 AMHow does wealth have to do with height overall?  Everyone in my family is short, billions wouldn't change genes.

More wealth equals less stress and more food. It is true though that it wouldn't make a huge difference, it would take generations to raise the average just a few inches.