Quote from: wrecked on July 08, 2023, 02:05:52 PMDont know if my previous reply came but here goes
My atheltic abilities increased after surgery because I was a fatass before and never really worked out.
I recently made a post on reddit (offmychest kind of subreddit) crying out my dilemma and to my dismay, I received a lot of hateful comments ridiculing my decision to get LL and that I deserve what happened to me
I went borderline suicidal after that and looked for ways to off myself (I am fine now thank you)
At the end of the day even family's love is not unconditional. They will rat you out if it gives them something gossip about. Only you can truly love yourself.
FML
Usually lot of the hate that comes after getting LL isn't fueled by concerns/sympathy but jealously. I remember a dwarf getting 1ft+ LL and posting her experience/result on reddit. She got like 30k+ upvotes with almost all of them being very supportive/positive comments - this is because even if a dwarf gets LL they will still be taller than her, but do you know which community brandished her for getting the surgery? The dwarf community. This is because her height change effects their communities status quo and gives the idea of " If she can do it why can't I?" - but as you know this surgery is almost inaccessible for the majority of people out there due the financial, emotional, and physical investment required.
Now imagine a 170cm person suddenly becoming 180cm - they essentially went from short to tall which gives the vast majority of people the feeling I mentioned before - it breaks the status quo and give them a major case of FOMO. So rather than giving constructive comments they go straight to hateful comments like " You are a cripple now", "Yeah but you have t-rex arms", or " You will regret it in 30 years ".
RUINED everything by involving family in my LL journey.
Quote from: JJ299 on July 09, 2023, 08:35:53 AMUsually lot of the hate that comes after getting LL isn't fueled by concerns/sympathy but jealously. I remember a dwarf getting 1ft+ LL and posting her experience/result on reddit. She got like 30k+ upvotes with almost all of them being very supportive/positive comments - this is because even if a dwarf gets LL they will still be taller than her, but do you know which community brandished her for getting the surgery? The dwarf community. This is because her height change effects their communities status quo and gives the idea of " If she can do it why can't I?" - but as you know this surgery is almost inaccessible for the majority of people out there due the financial, emotional, and physical investment required.
Now imagine a 170cm person suddenly becoming 180cm - they essentially went from short to tall which gives the vast majority of people the feeling I mentioned before - it breaks the status quo and give them a major case of FOMO. So rather than giving constructive comments they go straight to hateful comments like " You are a cripple now", "Yeah but you have t-rex arms", or " You will regret it in 30 years ".
+1
Completely true. Guys pre and post LL still taller than me don't care. Guys who went from taller than me to shorter than me ones who crack jokes occasionally and clearly jealous, feeling like I robbed them of their birth rite lol.
Quote from: EndGame on July 09, 2023, 09:49:07 AM+1
Completely true. Guys pre and post LL still taller than me don't care. Guys who went from taller than me to shorter than me ones who crack jokes occasionally and clearly jealous, feeling like I robbed them of their birth rite lol.
What jokes are they making? LL doesn't lend itself to humor.
Quote from: JJ299 on July 09, 2023, 08:35:53 AMUsually lot of the hate that comes after getting LL isn't fueled by concerns/sympathy but jealously. I remember a dwarf getting 1ft+ LL and posting her experience/result on reddit. She got like 30k+ upvotes with almost all of them being very supportive/positive comments - this is because even if a dwarf gets LL they will still be taller than her, but do you know which community brandished her for getting the surgery? The dwarf community. This is because her height change effects their communities status quo and gives the idea of " If she can do it why can't I?" - but as you know this surgery is almost inaccessible for the majority of people out there due the financial, emotional, and physical investment required.
Now imagine a 170cm person suddenly becoming 180cm - they essentially went from short to tall which gives the vast majority of people the feeling I mentioned before - it breaks the status quo and give them a major case of FOMO. So rather than giving constructive comments they go straight to hateful comments like " You are a cripple now", "Yeah but you have t-rex arms", or " You will regret it in 30 years ".
This is absolutely true! At the end of the day this surgery is about outgrowing other people. So it's what is called a "zero-sum-game". You become happier after LL because you are taller than more people than before LL. That also elevates your position in society and puts you at a more respectable position. This surgery is a success only if other shorter people don't get to do it and remain short.
That's why I almost barf at the idea of someone floating the concept of doing LL to for themselves and to feel one with their body. That is just plain euphemism for "I want to outgrow a bunch of people".
This is a wonderful time to be an LL surgeon or medical device company. Market this procedure like crazy using euphemisms like "self fulfilment". Make it go mainstream. Have patients lining up due to FOMO. Make $$$$$.
When LL gets more popular
Lmao women cannot keep their mouthes shut, its impulsive for them. They literally evolved to gossip for safety to know whats going on in the tribe (sorry for sounding like an incel). You seem to have learned this the hard way. Anything you tell a woman you have shared to the world and might as well assume that. Last girl I dated I might as well have been dating 4 girls because they knew every single little thing that happened in our relationship. I guarantee it wasnt your dad flapping his gums. And this is why I never told my family. My mom and sister would never stfu about it until the end of time.
Quote from: truthdial on July 09, 2023, 02:02:25 PMThis is absolutely true! At the end of the day this surgery is about outgrowing other people. So it's what is called a "zero-sum-game". You become happier after LL because you are taller than more people than before LL. That also elevates your position in society and puts you at a more respectable position. This surgery is a success only if other shorter people don't get to do it and remain short.
That's why I almost barf at the idea of someone floating the concept of doing LL to for themselves and to feel one with their body. That is just plain euphemism for "I want to outgrow a bunch of people".
This is a wonderful time to be an LL surgeon or medical device company. Market this procedure like crazy using euphemisms like "self fulfilment". Make it go mainstream. Have patients lining up due to FOMO. Make $$$$$.
This is true. Height is relative. If everyone was 6'0", then being 6'0" wouldn't be considered tall, and the magical number would go up. A 5'8" guy in the Philippines might be considered tall, but as soon as he goes to the west he's short. Or a 5'10" guy might be considered average in the USA, but in Cambodia he's tall.
You brought up a great point that hit the nail in the head. Other people need to be short in order for LL to work. Somebody has to get the short end of the stick(lol). There has to be some people essentially sacrificing themselves so that others may excel. It's like a game of hot potato. Somebody has to hold it in the end!
It's terrible, it's unfair, and it's not right. But it's the truth. We can all sit here and lie to ourselves and others, or we can be honest about it. It's essentially an arms race of height. A never ending fight and one-up'ing others.
Quote from: truthdial on July 09, 2023, 02:20:38 PMWhen LL gets more popular
Knowledge of LL may increase, but the ability of people able to get it will not. I mentioned why in another thread -> http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=84070.msg265759#msg265759 So I wouldn't worry too much. Maybe in 50 years when you can just take a pill once a day and you'll grow we'll have to worry.
Quote from: NailedLegs on July 09, 2023, 09:41:29 PMThis is true. Height is relative. If everyone was 6'0", then being 6'0" wouldn't be considered tall, and the magical number would go up. A 5'8" guy in the Philippines might be considered tall, but as soon as he goes to the west he's short. Or a 5'10" guy might be considered average in the USA, but in Cambodia he's tall.
You brought up a great point that hit the nail in the head. Other people need to be short in order for LL to work. Somebody has to get the short end of the stick(lol). There has to be some people essentially sacrificing themselves so that others may excel. It's like a game of hot potato. Somebody has to hold it in the end!
It's terrible, it's unfair, and it's not right. But it's the truth. We can all sit here and lie to ourselves and others, or we can be honest about it. It's essentially an arms race of height. A never ending fight and one-up'ing others.
SPOT ON. The hot potato example is funny lol. And also sad.
The main group of people who want to avoid spreading this awareness, comprises of LL surgeons, clinics and medical companies who make nails. Because for them, business is flourishing when there is a constant passing around of the "hot potato" by millions across the world. They know fully well that in the end, society as a whole is not happier but they are playing the capitalist's game, and they are making $$$$$$$$ in the process, so it works out for them.
My mental health had hit rock bottom. so I went to a therapist to discuss these problems. very uncomfortable conversation. she said honesty is very important in relationships and I would be cheating if I hid this. As for toxic people we agreed I should just cut them off. With family members she said I should tell them how I feel and stuff.
I feel artificial and like a fraud. Now my proportions bother me a lot more. 8cm feels like a bad decision. I have 0.74 femur:tibia ratio. Now I have also started to think my recovery isn't great (probably a mental negative feedback loop).
feels like a bad dream tbh. I hope others here can avoid this situation. especially the younger lot. Technology is getting better. I heard they will get newer nails soon. Have patience. Don't rush and tell people your "emotions" and your surgery plans. Practice stoicism. Never ever tell anyone your height problems. Just bottle them in (maybe go to a therapist if you want). Move away from family the first chance you get and work towards your dreams. If you never mention it and do moderate amounts I think you will get to keep the cake and eat it too.
Hey buddy
I think I can relate to your situation.
I guess it's an individual and every person have different personality and mental mindset, but I guess I'm also the type that would feel too bothered to feel fraud and the need to explain or justify my decisions, which basically driven by insecurity.
The thing is I got this insight while I was in the process, and however 5-6 cm seems wonderful, Im afraid I would never feel like I own this height and would actually embarrassed and try to hide it. I guess it's stupid but it's hard to change who we are.
That's why I went for a modest increase of 3 which puts me at least taller than most girls.
I think you shouldn't be bothered by proportions, it's one of those things no one ever notice and it's only in your head.
I actually had bow legs and I hated the way it looks, and just the other day I saw a picture of a celebrity Hollywood actress (from barby movie) and she actually has bowlegs and I guess shes totally unaware of it and she looks awesome and no body cares about the shape of her legs. it then really sinks in that we blow things out of proportions in our mind.
Perhaps you can tell your family members to change versions of your story and say you had a corrective surgery for a medical issue that by the way increased your height a little...
I also think that if you go to the gym and work out (a lot) to get bigger upper body, it can give the impression you got bigger rather than just longer, and it maybe can obscure you had surgery...
Good luck and try to stay positive
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