Quote from: BestOfLuck on August 16, 2023, 06:27:07 PMStop bloating my threads with this 💩 ffs
Cry more. Muh thread. You want an echo chamber, reddit might be more your thing.
I find it a very interesting psychological dilemma, and have tried to structure my thoughts below:
The advantages and disadvantages of trying to hide it:
The problem with hiding it is that it will most likely cause a lot of psychological pressure:
Let’s say you get LL and then hope to become more successful with women. Your initial attraction level will go up, I think we can all agree that height is by far not everything in dating, but that it is strong in the sense of filtering. As in, if you’re below a certain height, a lot of women will simply filter you out automatically as a dating option. So by getting taller the probability of finding a partner goes up in the sense that your dating pool becomes larger.
However, keeping it a secret also means that you will psychologically distance yourself from letting a girl get too close to you, because as someone gets closer to you, it will most likely just be a matter of time before they find out, and also, you would feel a sense of imposter syndrome from withholding it, and thereby have negative emotions in the relationship even if she didn’t find out.
This means that the ordinary psychological pressure points from letting a girl get close to you, like is she attracted to you physically? Is she attracted to you mentally? Are you compatible etc. now have an added weight which is how will she react if and when she finds out about LL.
The advantages and disadvantages of being open:
The problem with telling the truth from the get go is that, as NailedLegs said, you will get a social stigma that will follow you basically forever, as in if you thought people judged you on your height before, wait until after everyone knows you did LL.
Granted, if you are open about it, the stigma potential will be less than if you are discovered when trying to hide it, as people here may simply just be curious and ask a lot of questions, and then the interest and gossip about it dies down. Leaving you free after taking the battle head on.
You could find a girl that is okay with it, and won’t lose attraction to you if you’re honest from the beginning. But the amount of girls not losing attraction to you when they find out may diminish your initial dating pool beyond what it originally was.
The psychological pressure would also be a lot less albeit the identity from being the guy everyone talks having bad that crazy height surgery may cause psychological wear in time.
The advantages and disadvantages of the middle way:
A third option would be one of balance. That is, you tell the people closest to you, and accept the risk of it spilling out.
You tell them head on, no bull , that look I am telling you, you and you, along with my relatives that I am doing this. I am doing it because [insert reasons] and I know it carries a lot of judgement from others, so I want to be honest with you, but ask if you could keep it to yourselves. If everyone finds out I will have to deal with that but I would prefer avoiding that.
This way the psychological pressure of telling your closest friends and relatives would be diminished, but you bear the risk of the entire social circle and beyond finding out if someone talks too much which granted is a real risk. One person tells another who tells two more who tells four more etc.
Also they may be different around you acting like you have fragile legs, probably from a point of care and compassion, but this is still an element.
This option is perhaps dependent on how reliable the people closest to you are at keeping your things to themselves.
The advantage here being that you reduce a substantial amount of psychological stress but at a gamble that it won’t slip out and everyone finding out and identifying you as the guy did that thing.
You would still face substantial psychological pressure either conscious or subconscious as to whether people know or not. You will be very perceptive of people talking or behaving differently around you and be suspicious. Meaning you still risk suffering the sort of paranoia from the hiding option. Also, you would also face the problem of opening up when letting a girl in close to you, and risk her losing attraction and telling people which then means a lot of people find out.
Summary:
I think each option will strengthen certain personality types.
I would say the middle way is more of a way of winning some time, as in you can be open to some people and protect yourself from the immediate stigma of everyone at once, but you should accept that once one person knows the probability of everyone finding out approaches 100%. And therefore prepare yourself to simply be open and explain about it.
The hiding option could yield the best results, as in, you are finally free of height and all of that. But at a great risk of paranoia and avoiding people. This could end up yielding bad results long term. Maybe this option is more suited if you live far away from everyone, and they havent seen you in a long time. Ultimately though, you still have the risk of imposter syndrome sabotaging you in a relationship and the paranoia of it slipping out hanging over you. Maybe certain personality types are more immune to this and wont be affected as badly.
The being open about it certainly would mean a lot of talk and stigma, but the potential reward here being that eventually the talk dies down, and everyone gets on with their lives. It would come up again when meeting new people, and the question is whether a girl would still be attracted. Ultimately if you do find a girl and your friends and everyone knows, you could be perhaps the best suited to simply putting height and LL behind you and enjoy life. But it requires a personality that truely does not feel shame about LL and is willing to take on the battles and the risk of height talk remaining forever.
Quote from: Legs890 on August 16, 2023, 06:57:17 PMCry more. Muh thread. You want an echo chamber, reddit might be more your thing.
Arent you that same skinny bottom twink who tried to kill himself and failed? Fxggot ass incel. Shoulda done facial reconstruction instead cause clearly your not getting bitches cause no women can stomach looking at you. Or dealing with your bitch psrsonality. This dumb fk was average height and truly thought the reason he couldnt get girls was cause hes not 6 foot. Your fking delusional. How many different accounts have you made?😂 and how many times have you had a full blown convo with two of your other accounts because your such a fking poon that no one will conversate with you. Enjoy those crippled legs, once your recovered and realize that still no girls want you hopefully this time you succeed in your suicide attempt, no wonder your so insecure whenever someone asks questions about fitness or amount lengthened, your a skinny fxggot ass incel who couldn’t squat a 50 pound bar if your life depended on it before ll, forget after. Now youll always remain a skinny, pathetic bottom twink that no girl will ever fw, especially when they find out you were such a sad little bitch you did cll solely to get more women cause thats literally all you have going for you. Comedian of the year🤞🏽
Quote from: TheDream on August 16, 2023, 07:00:23 PMI find it a very interesting psychological dilemma, and have tried to structure my thoughts below:
The advantages and disadvantages of trying to hide it:
The problem with hiding it is that it will most likely cause a lot of psychological pressure:
Let’s say you get LL and then hope to become more successful with women. Your initial attraction level will go up, I think we can all agree that height is by far not everything in dating, but that it is strong in the sense of filtering. As in, if you’re below a certain height, a lot of women will simply filter you out automatically as a dating option. So by getting taller the probability of finding a partner goes up in the sense that your dating pool becomes larger.
However, keeping it a secret also means that you will psychologically distance yourself from letting a girl get too close to you, because as someone gets closer to you, it will most likely just be a matter of time before they find out, and also, you would feel a sense of imposter syndrome from withholding it, and thereby have negative emotions in the relationship even if she didn’t find out.
This means that the ordinary psychological pressure points from letting a girl get close to you, like is she attracted to you physically? Is she attracted to you mentally? Are you compatible etc. now have an added weight which is how will she react if and when she finds out about LL.
The advantages and disadvantages of being open:
The problem with telling the truth from the get go is that, as NailedLegs said, you will get a social stigma that will follow you basically forever, as in if you thought people judged you on your height before, wait until after everyone knows you did LL.
Granted, if you are open about it, the stigma potential will be less than if you are discovered when trying to hide it, as people here may simply just be curious and ask a lot of questions, and then the interest and gossip about it dies down. Leaving you free after taking the battle head on.
You could find a girl that is okay with it, and won’t lose attraction to you if you’re honest from the beginning. But the amount of girls not losing attraction to you when they find out may diminish your initial dating pool beyond what it originally was.
The psychological pressure would also be a lot less albeit the identity from being the guy everyone talks having bad that crazy height surgery may cause psychological wear in time.
The advantages and disadvantages of the middle way:
A third option would be one of balance. That is, you tell the people closest to you, and accept the risk of it spilling out.
You tell them head on, no bull , that look I am telling you, you and you, along with my relatives that I am doing this. I am doing it because [insert reasons] and I know it carries a lot of judgement from others, so I want to be honest with you, but ask if you could keep it to yourselves. If everyone finds out I will have to deal with that but I would prefer avoiding that.
This way the psychological pressure of telling your closest friends and relatives would be diminished, but you bear the risk of the entire social circle and beyond finding out if someone talks too much which granted is a real risk. One person tells another who tells two more who tells four more etc.
Also they may be different around you acting like you have fragile legs, probably from a point of care and compassion, but this is still an element.
This option is perhaps dependent on how reliable the people closest to you are at keeping your things to themselves.
The advantage here being that you reduce a substantial amount of psychological stress but at a gamble that it won’t slip out and everyone finding out and identifying you as the guy did that thing.
You would still face substantial psychological pressure either conscious or subconscious as to whether people know or not. You will be very perceptive of people talking or behaving differently around you and be suspicious. Meaning you still risk suffering the sort of paranoia from the hiding option. Also, you would also face the problem of opening up when letting a girl in close to you, and risk her losing attraction and telling people which then means a lot of people find out.
Summary:
I think each option will strengthen certain personality types.
I would say the middle way is more of a way of winning some time, as in you can be open to some people and protect yourself from the immediate stigma of everyone at once, but you should accept that once one person knows the probability of everyone finding out approaches 100%. And therefore prepare yourself to simply be open and explain about it.
The hiding option could yield the best results, as in, you are finally free of height and all of that. But at a great risk of paranoia and avoiding people. This could end up yielding bad results long term. Maybe this option is more suited if you live far away from everyone, and they havent seen you in a long time. Ultimately though, you still have the risk of imposter syndrome sabotaging you in a relationship and the paranoia of it slipping out hanging over you. Maybe certain personality types are more immune to this and wont be affected as badly.
The being open about it certainly would mean a lot of talk and stigma, but the potential reward here being that eventually the talk dies down, and everyone gets on with their lives. It would come up again when meeting new people, and the question is whether a girl would still be attracted. Ultimately if you do find a girl and your friends and everyone knows, you could be perhaps the best suited to simply putting height and LL behind you and enjoy life. But it requires a personality that truely does not feel shame about LL and is willing to take on the battles and the risk of height talk remaining forever.
Thanks for your insight, dont care about cll for relationships at all, just want to be taller then i am now. My countrys height is on the taller side and even being like 1-2 inches below
That is kinda . Plus i dont really spend my money on anything materialistic so i got nothing to lose
Quote from: BestOfLuck on August 16, 2023, 07:10:16 PMArent you that same skinny bottom twink who tried to kill himself and failed? Fxggot ass incel. Shoulda done facial reconstruction instead cause clearly your not getting bitches cause no women can stomach looking at you. Or dealing with your bitch psrsonality. This dumb fk was average height and truly thought the reason he couldnt get girls was cause hes not 6 foot. Your fking delusional. How many different accounts have you made?😂 and how many times have you had a full blown convo with two of your other accounts because your such a fking poon that no one will conversate with you. Enjoy those crippled legs, once your recovered and realize that still no girls want you hopefully this time you succeed in your suicide attempt, no wonder your so insecure whenever someone asks questions about fitness or amount lengthened, your a skinny fxggot ass incel who couldn’t squat a 50 pound bar if your life depended on it before ll, forget after. Now youll always remain a skinny, pathetic bottom twink that no girl will ever fw, especially when they find out you were such a sad little bitch you did cll solely to get more women cause thats literally all you have going for you. Comedian of the year🤞🏽
Will happily go up against you in terms of "numbers of women fked" anytime boyo. No idea what the rest of your babbling is about but suffice to say you bluepillers get precisely 0 pussy.
Quote from: BestOfLuck on August 16, 2023, 03:08:04 PMVery reasonable response. Do you know what isn’t reasonable tho? Suddenly leaving for 6 months to a year out of nowhere after being very active with people, just to miraculously show back up taller. Truthfully, do you actually believe that me simply saying “oh i grew taller” or smth like that will work in my situation? Im not some isolated guy living in a city where practically no one knows him at all. Im known in my area, people know roughly how tall i am because of some of the guys i hang with so theres no way gaslighting in this scenario would work. Even if i did a simple 2 inches id still get to like 5’10 from below average, thats not something that can be hidden.
I've already began telling my family about my plans to travel the world in about a year or two, take a break/sabbatical, so that they are mentally prepared for when I leave. Why can't you do the same? Obviously disappearing for several months all at once suddenly is suspicious, but not if you get ahead of it and control the narrative.
There really isn't a 100% foolproof way to go about this, it's an incredibly life altering surgery. But best case scenario, in my opinion, is to come up with believable excuses, deny any and all accusations, and gaslight if you want to try and keep it a secret. Truthfully, it's not any of your families business what you do with your life or your legs, it doesn't involve them at all. Presumably, you're an adult, and it's not their life to live. So I don't see any moral qualms about it.
Quote from: TheDream on August 16, 2023, 07:00:23 PMI find it a very interesting psychological dilemma, and have tried to structure my thoughts below:
The advantages and disadvantages of trying to hide it:
The problem with hiding it is that it will most likely cause a lot of psychological pressure:
Let’s say you get LL and then hope to become more successful with women. Your initial attraction level will go up, I think we can all agree that height is by far not everything in dating, but that it is strong in the sense of filtering. As in, if you’re below a certain height, a lot of women will simply filter you out automatically as a dating option. So by getting taller the probability of finding a partner goes up in the sense that your dating pool becomes larger.
However, keeping it a secret also means that you will psychologically distance yourself from letting a girl get too close to you, because as someone gets closer to you, it will most likely just be a matter of time before they find out, and also, you would feel a sense of imposter syndrome from withholding it, and thereby have negative emotions in the relationship even if she didn’t find out.
This means that the ordinary psychological pressure points from letting a girl get close to you, like is she attracted to you physically? Is she attracted to you mentally? Are you compatible etc. now have an added weight which is how will she react if and when she finds out about LL.
The advantages and disadvantages of being open:
The problem with telling the truth from the get go is that, as NailedLegs said, you will get a social stigma that will follow you basically forever, as in if you thought people judged you on your height before, wait until after everyone knows you did LL.
Granted, if you are open about it, the stigma potential will be less than if you are discovered when trying to hide it, as people here may simply just be curious and ask a lot of questions, and then the interest and gossip about it dies down. Leaving you free after taking the battle head on.
You could find a girl that is okay with it, and won’t lose attraction to you if you’re honest from the beginning. But the amount of girls not losing attraction to you when they find out may diminish your initial dating pool beyond what it originally was.
The psychological pressure would also be a lot less albeit the identity from being the guy everyone talks having bad that crazy height surgery may cause psychological wear in time.
The advantages and disadvantages of the middle way:
A third option would be one of balance. That is, you tell the people closest to you, and accept the risk of it spilling out.
You tell them head on, no bull , that look I am telling you, you and you, along with my relatives that I am doing this. I am doing it because [insert reasons] and I know it carries a lot of judgement from others, so I want to be honest with you, but ask if you could keep it to yourselves. If everyone finds out I will have to deal with that but I would prefer avoiding that.
This way the psychological pressure of telling your closest friends and relatives would be diminished, but you bear the risk of the entire social circle and beyond finding out if someone talks too much which granted is a real risk. One person tells another who tells two more who tells four more etc.
Also they may be different around you acting like you have fragile legs, probably from a point of care and compassion, but this is still an element.
This option is perhaps dependent on how reliable the people closest to you are at keeping your things to themselves.
The advantage here being that you reduce a substantial amount of psychological stress but at a gamble that it won’t slip out and everyone finding out and identifying you as the guy did that thing.
You would still face substantial psychological pressure either conscious or subconscious as to whether people know or not. You will be very perceptive of people talking or behaving differently around you and be suspicious. Meaning you still risk suffering the sort of paranoia from the hiding option. Also, you would also face the problem of opening up when letting a girl in close to you, and risk her losing attraction and telling people which then means a lot of people find out.
Summary:
I think each option will strengthen certain personality types.
I would say the middle way is more of a way of winning some time, as in you can be open to some people and protect yourself from the immediate stigma of everyone at once, but you should accept that once one person knows the probability of everyone finding out approaches 100%. And therefore prepare yourself to simply be open and explain about it.
The hiding option could yield the best results, as in, you are finally free of height and all of that. But at a great risk of paranoia and avoiding people. This could end up yielding bad results long term. Maybe this option is more suited if you live far away from everyone, and they havent seen you in a long time. Ultimately though, you still have the risk of imposter syndrome sabotaging you in a relationship and the paranoia of it slipping out hanging over you. Maybe certain personality types are more immune to this and wont be affected as badly.
The being open about it certainly would mean a lot of talk and stigma, but the potential reward here being that eventually the talk dies down, and everyone gets on with their lives. It would come up again when meeting new people, and the question is whether a girl would still be attracted. Ultimately if you do find a girl and your friends and everyone knows, you could be perhaps the best suited to simply putting height and LL behind you and enjoy life. But it requires a personality that truely does not feel shame about LL and is willing to take on the battles and the risk of height talk remaining forever.
The only person I plan on telling is my (future) wife and very close friend, who's also considering doing LL. But I will not tell family, or really anybody else.
Quote from: BestOfLuck on August 15, 2023, 04:11:00 PMI live in a relatively small town, everyone here knows each other and everyone is acquainted. I tried to be a little optimistic hoping that maybe i can do this procedure without people finding out, even thought about doing only 5-7cm at most rather then more to see if its harder to notice. Ive came to the conclusion that with the amount of people i talk to and hang out with that i will never be able to hide it, which leads me to my question. Should i just be confident and open about this surgery to those who ask and will inevitably find out anyways? I feel like its easier to just say im doing cll because i only live once then trying to explain and justify it all at once when people see me again. This is something thats been on my mind for awhile, im not really bothered by what anyone says or thinks of me, afterall its my life and you only have one so why not optimize it? Id just like to have some recommendations cause its a bit confusing for me honestly.
Yeah sounds like you're being reasonable with expectations at least. 5CM is the absolute max that you could maybe gaslight people (and this is optimistic) and you better hope they are absolutely retarded. But I think its maybe possible. If your relatives are right near your height though especially your dad forget it though, it will be undeniable. I did a small amount and its so freaking obvious. Had a friend literally ask me if I heard about LL after fully recovered with completely normal walk and run. It sounds like you're near average height so this procedure is indeed going to be very noticeable. 7CM....dont even fool yourself theres no chance at hiding it.
The only way you're getting away with 7CM is if you're absurdly short like 5'2 and nowhere near eye level with others. Even then its noticeable.
Unfortunately with LL its tough to win. Its always a choice between being taller and having everyone know you broke your legs. Some people care a lot about people knowing and others dont so much. Just need to be honest with what you can live with.
One thing possible is doing like 3CM, waiting, getting people accustomed to the new height. And then re-breaking and doing another 3CM a year later. However this is more expensive and time consuming. Good shot it wouldnt fool anyone too. And LL is a seriously depressing and long journey with just one lengthening from surgery to nails out. So idk I would recommend this. This would be like a 3 year total journey until scars are faded with nails out.
Quote from: lessthanavg8300 on August 18, 2023, 02:31:36 PMYeah sounds like you're being reasonable with expectations at least. 5CM is the absolute max that you could maybe gaslight people (and this is optimistic) and you better hope they are absolutely retarded. But I think its maybe possible. If your relatives are right near your height though especially your dad forget it though, it will be undeniable. I did a small amount and its so freaking obvious. Had a friend literally ask me if I heard about LL after fully recovered with completely normal walk and run. It sounds like you're near average height so this procedure is indeed going to be very noticeable. 7CM....dont even fool yourself theres no chance at hiding it.
The only way you're getting away with 7CM is if you're absurdly short like 5'2 and nowhere near eye level with others. Even then its noticeable.
Unfortunately with LL its tough to win. Its always a choice between being taller and having everyone know you broke your legs. Some people care a lot about people knowing and others dont so much. Just need to be honest with what you can live with.
One thing possible is doing like 3CM, waiting, getting people accustomed to the new height. And then re-breaking and doing another 3CM a year later. However this is more expensive and time consuming. Good shot it wouldnt fool anyone too. And LL is a seriously depressing and long journey with just one lengthening from surgery to nails out. So idk I would recommend this. This would be like a 3 year total journey until scars are faded with nails out.
This is basically what ive been saying the entire time, trying to imply that i could just pretend this didnt happen to dozens of friends and people i party with is complete bull . I see them consistently, and id be taller then some of them after this aswell. You got these goons tryna gaslight acting like 5cm wont be noticeable and to just try n lie, makes me wonder if they even had Cll done to begin with. Ffs just standing on your tip toes gives you 2 inches and its immediately noticeable especially if your already close to average. Only choice is to be upfront or just make an excuse and say i had to do one leg for correction but then decided to do both instead.
Quote from: NailedLegs on August 18, 2023, 06:40:32 AMI've already began telling my family about my plans to travel the world in about a year or two, take a break/sabbatical, so that they are mentally prepared for when I leave. Why can't you do the same? Obviously disappearing for several months all at once suddenly is suspicious, but not if you get ahead of it and control the narrative.
There really isn't a 100% foolproof way to go about this, it's an incredibly life altering surgery. But best case scenario, in my opinion, is to come up with believable excuses, deny any and all accusations, and gaslight if you want to try and keep it a secret. Truthfully, it's not any of your families business what you do with your life or your legs, it doesn't involve them at all. Presumably, you're an adult, and it's not their life to live. So I don't see any moral qualms about it.
The only person I plan on telling is my (future) wife and very close friend, who's also considering doing LL. But I will not tell family, or really anybody else.
My family knows already. I dont care about family knowing, i care more about how some friends and acquaintances would view me afterwards. Like ive said before there is no lying or gaslighting that would work in my scenario. Id rather just be truthful. I dont intend on telling anyone ive never met though, this only applies to the decent chunk of people ive seen recently, and actively go out with.
It depends on your country, in Spain I recommend to be open, because if they discover you, they will feel it disrespectful ("Do you think that we are silly?"). Instead, if you are open most of people will ask you about the procedure, but nothing more, cosmetic surgery is accepted for most of people.
Quote from: NailedLegs on August 18, 2023, 06:40:32 AMThe only person I plan on telling is my (future) wife and very close friend, who's also considering doing LL. But I will not tell family, or really anybody else.
This is one way to go about it. And perhaps a smart one too. But it must also be very lonely and scary. As in, when is it the right moment to tell her? How early on? What if she suddenly compliments your height without knowing about LL. Will she then find it too weird if she finds out? And would that kill the relationship? Maybe I’m just overthinking and being stupid about it. But I think carrying that will be hard and make it difficult to make oneself vulnerable and let a girl in close.
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