Oh and tlannister
Quote from: tlannister on August 18, 2018, 08:13:55 PM... a fking sh!ty bone non-union nail from Kiev made by a palestine refugee? he is spreading this jamar nail garbage all over the forum...
I think I did ok with this nail don't you?
Quote from: taller_in_Kiev on August 19, 2018, 09:31:59 AMOh and tlannister
I think I did ok with this nail don't you?
I think you're a joke. lol
@bruce Wayne, I know, and not a very funny one
Quote from: taller_in_Kiev on August 19, 2018, 08:55:18 AM@JohnOdin
Precice/Stryde may be good nails, I don't know, but until there are people that come forward and demonstrate a decent recovery some years after their procedure - as I have, it cannot be viewed in the same light. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion and make their own choices.
Also I have nothing against Dr Paley, I am sure he is a capable doctor, but I am hearing some rather wild claims about Stryde. For instance that no crutches are needed? For the record, my nail was also fully weight bearing and we're talking 14 years ago. It's ridiculous to think that you'll be able to walk unaided with any degree of comfort or confidence so soon after surgery and particularly as you start to lengthen and the gap between your broken bones widens.
I was also able to walk unaided shortly after surgery, but it's crazy not to use crutches as the last thing you want is a nasty slip of fall with disastrous implications. The more you lengthen, the more difficult things become and rehab/recovery, i,e. your new bone formation, your muscles, tendons and ligaments adapting to the stretched state etc will take the same amount of time regardless of the nail you have inside you. The nail does not and cannot speed up recovery. YOU do that with your exercises, you diet, your physio, positive attitude etc.
If someone has good bine alignment and haven't lengthened too much (like you did) then we don't need to see how someone is doing 10-15 years after LL. After all, even 10 years are not much to see the longtime consequences of LL.
Also, precise has been thousands times more than bliskunov nail and it is used from the best orthopaedics in the world (not only LL doctors) and stryde is exactly the same nail but wuth full weight bearing abilities.
So, guinea pig is not someone who uses an experienced doctor like Paley) with an up to date magnetic nail to do LL but someone who goes in a third world country to be operated from an unknown doctor with an obsolete nail which is maybe good but of course has only disadvantages compared to stryde (way of lengthening with magnets, reverse lengthening etc). And all these for 40k+ euros!
So thats the real guinea pig.
And that doesn't change because you had a good outcome. Some patients ended up with non unions and malunions from that doctor and they are for sure more than you.
So stop comparing stryde with obsolete nails and top doctors with someone from Kiev because you just harm your doctor.
Nemer would maybe have been an alternative choice if his price was 25k euros for internals with bliskunov (or any other nail like that). But now only a fool would give so much money when with less than 10k more in some months he could use stryde in a west country.
Quote from: Body Builder on August 19, 2018, 12:30:46 PMIf someone has good bine alignment and haven't lengthened too much (like you did) then we don't need to see how someone is doing 10-15 years after LL. After all, even 10 years are not much to see the longtime consequences of LL.
Also, precise has been thousands times more than bliskunov nail and it is used from the best orthopaedics in the world (not only LL doctors) and stryde is exactly the same nail but wuth full weight bearing abilities.
So, guinea pig is not someone who uses an experienced doctor like Paley) with an up to date magnetic nail to do LL but someone who goes in a third world country to be operated from an unknown doctor with an obsolete nail which is maybe good but of course has only disadvantages compared to stryde (way of lengthening with magnets, reverse lengthening etc). And all these for 40k+ euros!
So thats the real guinea pig.
And that doesn't change because you had a good outcome. Some patients ended up with non unions and malunions from that doctor and they are for sure more than you.
So stop comparing stryde with obsolete nails and top doctors with someone from Kiev because you just harm your doctor.
Nemer would maybe have been an alternative choice if his price was 25k euros for internals with bliskunov (or any other nail like that). But now only a fool would give so much money when with less than 10k more in some months he could use stryde in a west country.
Ah, what spite.. I should've known before coming on here! I actually had a teeny weeny bit of respect for you bodybuilder, but no more. You're just another shill precice promoter. Now let's take you apart sentence by sentence.
"If someone has good bine alignment and haven't lengthened too much (like you did) then we don't need to see how someone is doing 10-15 years after LL. After all, even 10 years are not much to see the longtime consequences of LL."
I did not lengthen too much lol, I'm doing ok thanks. I look fine proportionally and have good athletic ability, I can't ask for more. And by 'we', I think you mean 'you' only. I am sure many on here are interested in just that: seeing how someone has fared 10-15 years later. And that by the way is a very good time frame post LL to gauge.
"Also, precise has been thousands times more than bliskunov nail and it is used from the best orthopaedics in the world (not only LL doctors) and stryde is exactly the same nail but wuth full weight bearing abilities."
Absolute nonsense. Precice is a relatively new product, no way has it been around as long or been used in as many procedures. I don't have the stats of how many each has had, but neither do you. I can at least claim much longer longevity.
"So, guinea pig is not someone who uses an experienced doctor like Paley) with an up to date magnetic nail to do LL but someone who goes in a third world country to be operated from an unknown doctor with an obsolete nail which is maybe good but of course has only disadvantages compared to stryde (way of lengthening with magnets, reverse lengthening etc). And all these for 40k+ euros!
So thats the real guinea pig."
Third world is the poophole you happen to be in, wherever that is. If I was a guinea pig, then I came out standing tall from the experience, meaning others don't have to be guinea pigs any more.
For the record, when I did my surgery back in 2004, Dr Dragan was the lead surgeon, the BEST in the world, and you're not going to argue with that! Dr Nemer was his trainee at the time. I doubt another doctor can come anywhere close to his achievements in the field. Read the man's bio, link at bottom.
I assure you Precice/Stryde have nothing over the Bliskunov nail. The magnets and what not are nothing but gimmicks. I'd rather have a 1990's Porsche than a current day Toyota with all the gadgetry in the world! The only thing obsolete is you.
And once again you are not an authority to decide what a particular doctor in a particular part of the world should or can charge! It's a free market in a free world. People are free to make their own choices. I merely published my result and if someone wants to replicate what I did, they know where to go.
I bet you are the type of guy who goes into a restaurant, looks at the menu and argues the steak is overpriced as it was shipped from Brazil!
"And that doesn't change because you had a good outcome. Some patients ended up with non unions and malunions from that doctor and they are for sure more than you."
Nonsense again. I personally know of many that have had as good an outcome as mine, people from Canada, the US, Germany, Spain..There were a couple of isolated bad cases too, but the doctor cannot be held for all the blame. As I've said many times, LL is 75% down to patient effort. Overall the team here has an excellent record, has been around the longest and performed the most internal procedures.
"So stop comparing stryde with obsolete nails and top doctors with someone from Kiev because you just harm your doctor."
You are right, I should stop comparing Stryde to Bliskunov because the latter is far superior, was the original and best and all subsequent nails are mere copycats.
http://www.correction.kiev.ua/bonamed/dragan.htm
I'm nervous to go over 8cm if I went with LATN. 10 would be amazing but fk. I guess we'll have to see. Still will most likely go with stryde and have a smooth sailing 7.5-8cm and be done with it.
Quote from: Johnson1111 on August 19, 2018, 05:51:38 PMI'm nervous to go over 8cm if I went with LATN. 10 would be amazing but fk. I guess we'll have to see. Still will most likely go with stryde and have a smooth sailing 7.5-8cm and be done with it.
Best of luck pal, hope it all goes well.
Quote from: taller_in_Kiev on August 19, 2018, 04:22:06 PMAh, what spite.. I should've known before coming on here! I actually had a teeny weeny bit of respect for you bodybuilder, but no more. You're just another shill precice promoter. Now let's take you apart sentence by sentence.
"If someone has good bine alignment and haven't lengthened too much (like you did) then we don't need to see how someone is doing 10-15 years after LL. After all, even 10 years are not much to see the longtime consequences of LL."
I did not lengthen too much lol, I'm doing ok thanks. I look fine proportionally and have good athletic ability, I can't ask for more. And by 'we', I think you mean 'you' only. I am sure many on here are interested in just that: seeing how someone has fared 10-15 years later. And that by the way is a very good time frame post LL to gauge.
"Also, precise has been thousands times more than bliskunov nail and it is used from the best orthopaedics in the world (not only LL doctors) and stryde is exactly the same nail but wuth full weight bearing abilities."
Absolute nonsense. Precice is a relatively new product, no way has it been around as long or been used in as many procedures. I don't have the stats of how many each has had, but neither do you. I can at least claim much longer longevity.
"So, guinea pig is not someone who uses an experienced doctor like Paley) with an up to date magnetic nail to do LL but someone who goes in a third world country to be operated from an unknown doctor with an obsolete nail which is maybe good but of course has only disadvantages compared to stryde (way of lengthening with magnets, reverse lengthening etc). And all these for 40k+ euros!
So thats the real guinea pig."
Third world is the poophole you happen to be in, wherever that is. If I was a guinea pig, then I came out standing tall from the experience, meaning others don't have to be guinea pigs any more.
For the record, when I did my surgery back in 2004, Dr Dragan was the lead surgeon, the BEST in the world, and you're not going to argue with that! Dr Nemer was his trainee at the time. I doubt another doctor can come anywhere close to his achievements in the field. Read the man's bio, link at bottom.
I assure you Precice/Stryde have nothing over the Bliskunov nail. The magnets and what not are nothing but gimmicks. I'd rather have a 1990's Porsche than a current day Toyota with all the gadgetry in the world! The only thing obsolete is you.
And once again you are not an authority to decide what a particular doctor in a particular part of the world should or can charge! It's a free market in a free world. People are free to make their own choices. I merely published my result and if someone wants to replicate what I did, they know where to go.
I bet you are the type of guy who goes into a restaurant, looks at the menu and argues the steak is overpriced as it was shipped from Brazil!
"And that doesn't change because you had a good outcome. Some patients ended up with non unions and malunions from that doctor and they are for sure more than you."
Nonsense again. I personally know of many that have had as good an outcome as mine, people from Canada, the US, Germany, Spain..There were a couple of isolated bad cases too, but the doctor cannot be held for all the blame. As I've said many times, LL is 75% down to patient effort. Overall the team here has an excellent record, has been around the longest and performed the most internal procedures.
"So stop comparing stryde with obsolete nails and top doctors with someone from Kiev because you just harm your doctor."
You are right, I should stop comparing Stryde to Bliskunov because the latter is far superior, was the original and best and all subsequent nails are mere copycats.
http://www.correction.kiev.ua/bonamed/dragan.htm
Only a fool would have said that a 30yo nail which lengthens by twisting your broken leg (!) is superior to a recently released magnetic nail when you lengthen completely painless, has reversible ability and is so accurate that you know how you lengthened even without x rays.
The only common that these 2 nails has is weight bearing ability. Nothing else.
So if an american newly and very advanced nail is toyota...then bliskunov must be a lada or something like that.
Finally, the only one LL'er that I knew that lengthened more than 8 cm on femurs (Tall who lengthened 10cm) needed a second tibia operation to fix his biomechanics and to avoid knee pain. The 11cm you did is truly stupidity and I really wonder if you don't suffer arthritis in a few years from now.
But although I truly agree with what you say about bliakunov, I really wish you don't, health is above everything.
Anyway, anyone with a bit of brain could understand which is better between a 30yo mechanical nail and a newly released magnetic nail with fda approval.
So for me that conversation is over because the reality is really obvious and I wonder why you are so fanatic about insisting that bliskunov is the best nail out there while it is being used only from a Palestinian in a third world country with civil war compared to a futuristic nail with am fda approval that it will be used in tenths of west countries in a few months!
Quote from: Bruce Wayne on August 18, 2018, 01:17:54 PMSo who's the most reputable LL doc?
Sarin obviously
Quote from: Johnson1111 on August 19, 2018, 05:51:38 PMI'm nervous to go over 8cm if I went with LATN. 10 would be amazing but fk. I guess we'll have to see. Still will most likely go with stryde and have a smooth sailing 7.5-8cm and be done with it.
And people still go with more than 7cm dreams. This community will never learn lol
Quote from: YourSpaceBoyfriend on August 19, 2018, 11:34:21 PMSarin obviously
And people still go with more than 7cm dreams. This community will never learn lol
I understand that's why i'm only doing 7.5-8cm. There are many good outcomes of 8cm.
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