So I told my parents, and...

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Quote from: Body Builder on August 19, 2018, 10:45:52 PMOnly a fool would have said that a 30yo nail which lengthens by twisting your broken leg (!) is superior to a recently released magnetic nail when you lengthen completely painless, has reversible ability and is so accurate that you know how you lengthened even without x rays.
The only common that these 2 nails has is weight bearing ability. Nothing else.

So if an american newly and very advanced nail is toyota...then bliskunov must be a lada or something like that.

Finally, the only one LL'er that I knew that lengthened more than 8 cm on femurs (Tall who lengthened 10cm) needed a second tibia operation to fix his biomechanics and to avoid knee pain. The 11cm you did is truly stupidity and I really wonder if you don't suffer arthritis in a few years from now.
But although I truly agree with what you say about bliakunov, I really wish you don't, health is above everything.

Anyway, anyone with a bit of brain could understand which is better between a 30yo mechanical nail and a newly released magnetic nail with fda approval.
So for me that conversation is over because the reality is really obvious and I wonder why you are so fanatic about insisting that bliskunov is the best nail out there while it is being used only from a Palestinian in a third world country with civil war compared to a futuristic nail with am fda approval that it will be used in tenths of west countries in a few months!

Bodybuilder please, now you're just making yourself look bad.

"nail which lengthens by twisting your broken leg (!)"

No, no, you're confusing Bliskunov with the old Albizzia - Dr Guichet's nail.  Bliskunov includes a part in the pelvis that connects the femur to the pelvis. With the patient lying on his back, each leg is moved sideways generating the clicks, several of which make up 1mm, the desired daily length. This is completely painless and the doctor assists with the clicking as he did for me for the duration of my lengthening phase.

"anyone with a bit of brain could understand which is better between a 30yo mechanical nail and a newly released magnetic nail with fda approval."

Actually, anyone with a brain can understand that the less moving parts a device has, the less complicated and thus the less the likelihood of anything going wrong.  The last thing you want is for a nail to stop working halfway through your lengthening!!  What a disaster that would be. As for the FDA, don't get me started on these cretins. Just google 'fda is a corrupt organisation' and do your own research. 

"the only one LL'er that I knew that lengthened more than 8 cm on femurs (Tall who lengthened 10cm) needed a second tibia operation to fix his biomechanics and to avoid knee pain. The 11cm you did is truly stupidity "

How tall was that fella to begin with? I had a starting height of 5'8, so 11cm for me is not the same as 11cm for a guy of 5'5 or 5'6. And please, for the last time, I took a calculated risk, played it by ear and stopped when it was time to stop. I was actually going for 12cm, but I agree with you in that 11cm is an exception more than the norm and involves much more risk. 7-8cm is a safe and easily achievable gain for someone well prepared. Furthermore, it took a lot of hard work on my part and I wouldn't recommend anyone else going for such an extreme gain.

"I wonder why you are so fanatic about insisting that bliskunov is the best nail out there while it is being used only from a Palestinian in a third world country"

Because I speak from personal experience! Can you do the same? Did you have your surgery with Precice? To quote your first post:

Quote from: Body Builder on February 19, 2017, 11:03:45 PMHello to this forum as it is my firts post here.

I am the LL veteran known to some of you from the old forum with the same nickname.

I underwent ATL which was my biggest mistake. ATL always causes a reduction to plantar flexion strength but the most difficult for this operation is to completely lengthen both Ach. tendons in both feer the same.
In my case, the left AT is longer than the right one which causes imbalances and sometimes even a small limp.
Also, I am completely sure that both my tendons are overlengthened but especially the left one.

For all these reasons I can completely assure you that Catagni and every other doctor than suggests ATL are completely wrong. In the best scenario you'll have a moderate plantar flexion reduction but most of the times the loss of plantar flexion power may lead to crouch gait and loss of most of athletic abilities like running and jumping.
I'm lucky that my case is not so severe but I still don't have completely normal walking gait most of the times and my left ankle feel vert loose.

Thats why I'll have on 2 months a new operation to shorten my Ach. tendons. I am very positive that my problems will go away when my tendons have again a normal length.

So, keep my words, you and every LL'er. Stay away from ATL!

I am sorry to hear of this and wish you well, but please, there is no need to attack the doctor's ethnic origin. This is racist. Would you say Dr Shahab Mahboubian is a lesser doctor due to his Iranian roots?!

Finally and for the last time, the Bliskunov nail is only offered here and by this doctor because it is proprietary - the rights passed from Prof Bliskunov to Dr Dragan and now to Dr Nemer upon Dr Dragan's tragic death in 2011.  It is a trade secret. Do Coca Cola or KFC share their recipe/formula with their rivals?

As for me, Bliskunov is and remains the Porsche or AK-47 of internal nails) a solid and reliable piece of machinery.

However, due to all this noise about the nails, I have asked Dr Nemer to do 2 things:
1. Make a video presentation about his nails, so patients have a better understanding and can make more informed decisions.
2. To consider offering Precice/Stryde as additional options alongside his own.

So once again, watch this space.

Peace to all.

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Quote from: taller_in_Kiev on August 20, 2018, 08:34:10 AMBodybuilder please, now you're just making yourself look bad.

"nail which lengthens by twisting your broken leg (!)"

No, no, you're confusing Bliskunov with the old Albizzia - Dr Guichet's nail.  Bliskunov includes a part in the pelvis that connects the femur to the pelvis. With the patient lying on his back, each leg is moved sideways generating the clicks, several of which make up 1mm, the desired daily length. This is completely painless and the doctor assists with the clicking as he did for me for the duration of my lengthening phase.

"anyone with a bit of brain could understand which is better between a 30yo mechanical nail and a newly released magnetic nail with fda approval."

Actually, anyone with a brain can understand that the less moving parts a device has, the less complicated and thus the less the likelihood of anything going wrong.  The last thing you want is for a nail to stop working halfway through your lengthening!!  What a disaster that would be. As for the FDA, don't get me started on these cretins. Just google 'fda is a corrupt organisation' and do your own research. 

"the only one LL'er that I knew that lengthened more than 8 cm on femurs (Tall who lengthened 10cm) needed a second tibia operation to fix his biomechanics and to avoid knee pain. The 11cm you did is truly stupidity "

How tall was that fella to begin with? I had a starting height of 5'8, so 11cm for me is not the same as 11cm for a guy of 5'5 or 5'6. And please, for the last time, I took a calculated risk, played it by ear and stopped when it was time to stop. I was actually going for 12cm, but I agree with you in that 11cm is an exception more than the norm and involves much more risk. 7-8cm is a safe and easily achievable gain for someone well prepared. Furthermore, it took a lot of hard work on my part and I wouldn't recommend anyone else going for such an extreme gain.

"I wonder why you are so fanatic about insisting that bliskunov is the best nail out there while it is being used only from a Palestinian in a third world country"

Because I speak from personal experience! Can you do the same? Did you have your surgery with Precice? To quote your first post:

I am sorry to hear of this and wish you well, but please, there is no need to attack the doctor's ethnic origin. This is racist. Would you say Dr Shahab Mahboubian is a lesser doctor due to his Iranian roots?!

Finally and for the last time, the Bliskunov nail is only offered here and by this doctor because it is proprietary - the rights passed from Prof Bliskunov to Dr Dragan and now to Dr Nemer upon Dr Dragan's tragic death in 2011.  It is a trade secret. Do Coca Cola or KFC share their recipe/formula with their rivals?

As for me, Bliskunov is and remains the Porsche or AK-47 of internal nails) a solid and reliable piece of machinery.

However, due to all this noise about the nails, I have asked Dr Nemer to do 2 things:
1. Make a video presentation about his nails, so patients have a better understanding and can make more informed decisions.
2. To consider offering Precice/Stryde as additional options alongside his own.

So once again, watch this space.

Peace to all.

My first post here was 1.5 year back.
As I mentioned on the forum, on April of 2017 I did a corrective surgery to shorten my tendons and straighten my right tibia.
Now I am much much better than before and my functions are normal. Running is not as fast as before LL and I can't jump that high but I walk perfectly, have balance and generally I am very happy with my condition .
But I'll inform against atl for as long as I have the power to do. It is my duty.

I'll not argue more about stryde and bliskunov. It is like saying that the new la ferrari is worse than a lada niva because it has 1000 more technology.

Finally, no I haven't had a personal experience from stryde but what does that mean? If we have diaries here that patients can walk in a few weeks after surgery and the nail is reliable to lengthen properly up to the amount the patient wants, what more would I need to see to think that this nail is the best out there?
And if that nail is reliable (like precise 2.2 which was very reliable) then what bemefit has the bliskunov over it?
Just mention me one!
For now, I've seen very poor callus formation with bliskunov, like I saw with albizzia and never with precise or fitbone. I believe that this has to do with the mechanic clicking compared to magnetic. Maybe I am wrong. But albizzia caused many non unions (bliskunov is rarely used but even with that we have seen non unions here) but never with precise.

So, if stryde is reliable (which would be as it is a stronger precise 2.2) then bliskunov does not have even a single benefit.
Everyrhing else about porsches and all these are non sense. And in that case, porsche is stryde while bliskunov is an obsolete but reliable hyundai or suzuki.

And yes fda is corrupted but generally it is very strict, the most strict health federation in the world.
So I trust it much more than health federations of other countries, especially of third world or east europe.

Finally, I am not against bliskunov nail. It is maybe a good choice and much better than doing lin on femurs like some doctors in Rusia do, which is risky and barbaric.
I also think it is better than the albizzia craps that Guichet and Betz uses. But it should have been much cheaper.
As you said, it is not a complicated machine and has only a few moving parts. So, the price should have been much much less and not the same as precise which is a very new technology and has a lot of reasons to be more expensive.

Anyway, everyone is free to go wherever he wants. My opinion is that there are much better choices than giving 40k euros to go to Nemer.

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First of all, I am very happy to hear this:

Quote from: Body Builder on August 20, 2018, 12:22:57 PMNow I am much much better than before and my functions are normal. Running is not as fast as before LL and I can't jump that high but I walk perfectly, have balance and generally I am very happy with my condition"

I am tired of arguing too, let's just agree to disagree shall we? As mentioned above, watch out for a presentation video of the Bliskunov nail, coming to a forum near you soon!
Also, to be confirmed if and when Dr J will offer Precice/Stryde in the future.

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Quote from: taller_in_Kiev on August 20, 2018, 08:34:10 AM
With the patient lying on his back, each leg is moved sideways generating the clicks, several of which make up 1mm, the desired daily length.

Well, this year a patient of Jamal stated on his diary that doctor twist the leg right and left and twisting of legs accidentally clicks nail. 
So not just moving sideways but also twisting legs can lengthen a Jamal nail.
These accidental clicks are dangerous enough to develop non-unions, and twisting movements also are considered to be a cause of delayed consolidation.

I don't understand why you think people should not read these diaries before choosing a good doctor.
Not only after reading lots of diaries, but also reading your recent posts, I'm very much convinced that I should not go to Ukraina.
What you are writing just to turn many people away from Ukraina, Jamal nail.
$50,000 for Precice in Greece or a clicking Jamal nail which produces too many non unions for the same price?  It is just so obvious.
It's like you are making fun of Dr Jamal via excessive praises.

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Quote from: TemakiSushi on August 20, 2018, 02:41:50 PMWell, this year a patient of Jamal stated on his diary that doctor twist the leg right and left and twisting of legs accidentally clicks nail. 
So not just moving sideways but also twisting legs can lengthen a Jamal nail.
These accidental clicks are dangerous enough to develop non-unions, and twisting movements also are considered to be a cause of delayed consolidation.

I don't understand why you think people should not read these diaries before choosing a good doctor.
Not only after reading lots of diaries, but also reading your recent posts, I'm very much convinced that I should not go to Ukraina.
What you are writing just to turn many people away from Ukraina, Jamal nail.
$50,000 for Precice in Greece or a clicking Jamal nail which produces too many non unions for the same price?  It is just so obvious.
It's like you are making fun of Dr Jamal via excessive praises.

Gosh, no sooner am I done with one troll, up pops another!  My beating stick is getting a little weary) Probably the same troll with multiple usernames for all I know)  The bad English seems a little obvious and deliberate, or some agent of a Greek doctor.

Clicking is not and cannot be done through twisting of legs! You probably misunderstood what your read, given English appears not your first language .  If you'd like to point out exactly where Rocky said this, I'll be glad to investigate further.  Accidental clicks are rare but even so, are not a problem, they can simply be reconciled with the daily clicking. As it take so many clicks to make 1mm, a couple of clicks here or there makes no difference and is no cause for concern, so please save the non-union scaremongering for another thread and time. The doctor controls the lengthening throughout this phase and once the desired gain is achieved, the clickers are taken out and no further clicking/growing of the nail is possible.

"Not only after reading lots of diaries, but also reading your recent posts I'm very much convinced that I should not go to Ukraina."

Please do read every diary under the sun! It might take you so many years, by which time you'll be too old to do LL )

"What you are writing just to turn many people away from Ukraina, Jamal nail."

Lol, really? I think your other troll pals calling me a promoter might disagree with you on this one.

$50,000 for Precice in Greece or a clicking Jamal nail which produces too many non unions for the same price?  It is just so obvious.
It's like you are making fun of Dr Jamal via excessive praises.

Go to Greece then, or is someone holding you back?  Everyone is free to go where they like ok.  I am not praising anyone, but merely defending the spreading of disinformation by people like you.

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Harsh reality is never easy for parents to accept. Don't listen to them. If you were 6 feet tall they could have been right, but your height starts with 5, so you are right in choosing leg lengthening.

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Quote from: Frogger on August 17, 2018, 01:11:43 AMI told my parents recently about my desire to have the surgery (I have saved almost 70k) and they are completely against it.
2 reasons why:
(1): "It's all in your head, it's an internal issue, you need to change your perspective", etc etc.
(2): They think the procedure is crazy and unwarranted for my disposition and that it is very high risk.

My father is a doctor and he has asked many orthopedic friends of his about this surgery and all of them are against it.
His main fear is an Osteomyelitis infection.


I would like to hear your opinions as to the risks of the surgery. Is it really not worth the risk/reward assessment? I have everything else going relatively well for me in life, it's just this dysphoria that has been a large burden for me over the past 5 years since I stopped growing.

Ps: I am 5'6.5, 21 years old, male, and am aiming for a 5.5-7 cm gain through PRECISE internal femurs hopefully with a U.S. doctor (Rozbruch or Paley), but might have to settle for an international one (Lee or Birkholtz)

Morale of the story - do not tell anybody, I also learned that way - told my 2 best friends and they are like 'it is a wastage of money, you should rather just get hair transplant etc. etc.'

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Even 5.5cm gain is life changing. Obviously if you have no hair you can get a hair transplant too (if you really care about that, you'll never have the same hair as before is the reality) but with LL, you will indeed get those 5.5cm.

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Quote from: 6feet2isTooShort on August 21, 2018, 03:18:55 PMHarsh reality is never easy for parents to accept. Don't listen to them. If you were 6 feet tall they could have been right, but your height starts with 5, so you are right in choosing leg lengthening.

Wtf

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Quote from: tlannister on August 18, 2018, 08:13:55 PMOk, this is just too obvious and i've had enough patience for you. Can admin ban this clown promoting a fking sh!ty bone non-union nail from Kiev made by a palestine refugee?
he is spreading this jamar nail garbage all over the forum for comission, innocent people are gonna get butchered.

Quote from: tlannister on August 18, 2018, 08:16:40 PMthis is really bad, admin/mod are gonna take action anytime soon? He mirrors the complaints on the nail he is promoting on Precice. this is a well known psychopath trait.

Quote from: TemakiSushi on August 20, 2018, 02:41:50 PMIt is just so obvious.
It's like you are making fun of Dr Jamal via excessive praises.

I don't think he's that obvious. Maybe he's a happy patient. I agree that hyperbolic posts make bad impression. Same with Helloworld, Musicmaker Auron and Monegal staff (Patient Privacy and Cinderella).

Old example by Helloworlds

Quote from: helloworld on March 11, 2017, 03:31:07 PMBut from my and almost all other patients experience, Dr. Monegal is by far the best choice for CLL.

Quote from: crimsontide on March 12, 2017, 05:11:38 AMthis post makes Monegal look bad. I hope you know that.  The last sentence you wrote is way too hyperbolic

Quote from: YourSpaceBoyfriend on April 04, 2017, 08:43:56 PMFkin communist propaganda is like a lullaby comparing to this crap

Quote from: vegeta24 on April 04, 2017, 07:13:17 PMI find him sketchy due to the all the controversy surrounding him, I'm not talking about his skills as a doctor. I find it very odd how this user seems to have an obsession with warning everyone to stay away from him. Then you have music maker who defends him  religiously in an odd way every time he's brought up. Frankly I wouldn't trust either of these users opinion on this doctor, there's obviously something weird going on that we probably do not have the full story on. His nail also seems to have a lot of problems, so there is some legitimacy to this user's claims. There's too much controversy surrounding him for whatever reason. Also how he was apart of this forum and would get into it with other members is also something that struck me as odd, don't see any other LL doctors doing that.

Quote from: 682 on March 12, 2017, 08:36:45 PMIt's tiring that every single thread at the moment is eventually being derailed into the exact same discussion, whether positive - through the almost advertisement like recommendations from helloworld on different doctors patient diaries such as the one and only Rozbruch diary we have or negative - from notimportant endlessly criticizing and spamming the same comments in any thread he can about Doctor Alex Monegal and I'm not sure who is damaging his reputation more.

Quote from: 682 on March 12, 2017, 08:54:05 PMThe users helloworld and notimportant ought to both be given a warning for A) Forceful and zealous advertisement and recommendations of a doctor where they aren't necessary or relevant whenever possible and B) Endlessly dragging any discussion down, regardless of what it is to bashing Monegal  respectively and C) Engaging in arguments between one another with endless abusive and petty comments when one posts a comment about Monegal.

Quote from: Unicorn888 on August 11, 2017, 04:12:40 PMLook, whoever you are, I'm most happy that you've completed your lengthening unscathed and successfully.

But please, if you would like to promote Monegal's business by stating that for all 8 of you, "clicking was totally painless" - PLEASE do it somewhere else because you are insulting our intelligence with your transparent motives.  It is people like yourselves who mislead others into thinking that this procedure is easy and painfree.

It is damned disrespectful to use this very thread to promote another doctor's practice.  It is never a GUICHET vs MONEGAL battle here, and I don't see other insecure doctors like PALEY sending their minions over to promote their dwindling businesses while bashing other doctors.

I'm sorry for you that your recovery has not been as fast as you hoped for, and I'm sure since Monegal has a perfect record of success, not being able to run faster than Usain Bolt after leg lengthening must be contrued as a complication. 

In any case, when you pass GO, don't forget to collect $200 from Monegal.

How can mods know if people post the truth or are trolls or promoters? Everybody should be allowed to post and readers can take their own conclusions. Tallerinkiev is a valuable user of the forum. In my opinion no ban for him.