Something to think about in terms of proportions- the "golden ratio"

So I've been spending the evening obsessing over body insecurities on the internet again like the absolute loser I am.

I was reading that the "golden" leg/torso ratio is 1.68. You can measure that by putting a tape measure from the floor to your belly button, then taking your total height and dividing that by the floor-belly button measurement. For example, I got 173 cm / 101 cm = a ratio of 1.71. Guess I have stubby legs.

I figured my proportions would get closest to that ratio at about 179-180 cm total height, assuming I did LL for 6-7 cm. Arm length I'm not convinced is actually important (apart from for practical reasons) so long as your arms aren't noticeably out of whack with the rest of your body- probably about 2 or 3 inches less than total height depending on the person.

There's also the whole issue of shoulder broadness vs narrow waist. The ideal waist circumference is 45% of your height and the ideal shoulder circumference is 1.5 to 1.6 times that. So a guy of 5'10 should ideally have a 31-32 inch waist and a shoulder circumference of 47- 51 or so inches.

I'd also like to say, for us guys 5'7-9 and over, I don't think height matters absolutely as much as proportions. A 6 ft plus guy with bad proportions is worse looking than a 5'7 guy with good ones imo. If you take the measurements and it turns out your legs are already long for your height, maybe it's better to focus on improving your upper body proportions more instead.

Obviously a 6'1 guy with good proportions is model material, and that's ideal. But I think at a certain point proportions are really more important than height.

In defense of all the guys on here who've been rejected because of height and are pursuing LL as a result, i will say: no 5'8 guy at a bar has ever been told, "sorry i can't date you because your torso to leg ratio isn't ideal for me". Girls want to look up to you in heels, it's as simple as that.

Not to mention, adding 3 inches of height to a 5'8 frame doesn't do nearly as much to proportions as it does to a 5'3 guy. All the more reason for that 5'8 guy to do it and not worry too much about "golden ratios"

Not even going to respond to your shoulder circumference nonsense because you can be a gorgeous 5'10-5'11 nfl wide receiver with broad muscular shoulders.. or you could be a skinny ass dude with no shoulder breadth... its all about how you carry it.

All in all, stop obsessing about esoteric ratios and the like... you're not doing yourself any favors.

Quote from: 6FeetSoon on January 31, 2017, 01:59:50 AMNot to mention, adding 3 inches of height to a 5'8 frame doesn't do nearly as much to proportions as it does to a 5'3 guy. All the more reason for that 5'8 guy to do it and not worry too much about "golden ratios"

I wish people would stop throwing around blanket statements like these when we literally have two guys proving otherwise this exact scenario right here in this forum....

Also to add, to girl will say anything about your bad proportions but she will still think you will look wierd.. She will, just in the case of awkward results, simply say "not interested".
 

Quote from: TIBIKE200 on January 31, 2017, 07:46:52 AMAlso to add, to girl will say anything about your bad proportions but she will still think you will look wierd.. She will, just in the case of awkward results, simply say "not interested".
 

Ah right. Tell that to all the lift wearers (including myself) on these forums who will give you first hand accounts of how much more positive attention they received when they go out in their tall boys shoes.

But sure, go ahead and obsess over 1.65 vs 1.68 vs 1.71 ratios. When you're out at 1oak in nyc and the cute modelesque chicks wearing their 4 inch stilettos are literally overlooking the 5'7 "perfectly ratioed guy" for the 6'0 one, tell us again how you'd rather be the shorter guy and counter that by buying her a drink and telling her "have you seen my belly button height though?"

Alu, I agree blanket statements aren't always accurate but math is math... you'll notice 3 inches of femoral distraction on a 5'3 guy far more easily than you will on someone with my starting height ...if at all, which is why when i wear lifts the feedback is phenomenal on the social scene.

Like i described in my Rozbruch thread, At 5'9 when i go out to clubs wearing my 3 inch lifts taking me to 6'0, i can tell you... no one cares about my ratio, it's simply: "wow you're cute and tall, let's dance", whereas 5 years ago before i moved to nyc it was "you're cute... only if you were taller though..." Stacking the lifts made life even more fantastic since i moved from LA.

Speaking of which.. i have to write a pretty long pre-op update for you guys. Chat soon.

I also wear insoles and I do agree that people dont notice the proportion difference but rather the height difference. But I did get "you have short legs" comments. Proportions are important (to an extant).

 Btw, lifts dont mimic femoral lengthening but tibial lengthening. Femoral lengthening will not look aesthetically the same as lifts

P.s What kind of shoes do you wear?

Nvm.

OK, haha, you have a point about being obsessive over ratios. Probably the shoulder one is what matters the most.

That said, coincidentally I saw a guy in the street today who I think had done LL! I mean he had insanely long legs and a very small torso.

He didn't look too good.

Quote from: 6FeetSoon on January 31, 2017, 09:51:03 AMAlu, I agree blanket statements aren't always accurate but math is math... you'll notice 3 inches of femoral distraction on a 5'3 guy far more easily than you will on someone with my starting height ...if at all, which is why when i wear lifts the feedback is phenomenal on the social scene.

Yeah... and I've noticed 5'3-5'5 guys end up looking great after 3-4 inches increase... then I noticed some 5'7-5'8 guys and their mock-ups and it's blatantly clear they would look horrible. (Math supported this too by the way).

So again stop with that stupid baseless statement. It's a case by case basis. Also Wearing lifts is not accurate at all to how you may look post LL.

Quote from: Alu on January 31, 2017, 08:55:21 PMYeah... and I've noticed 5'3-5'5 guys end up looking great after 3-4 inches increase... then I noticed some 5'7-5'8 guys and their mock-ups and it's blatantly clear they would look horrible. (Math supported this too by the way).

So again stop with that stupid baseless statement. It's a case by case basis. Also Wearing lifts is not accurate at all to how you may look post LL.

Mock ups are amateurish (rozbruch hates them). He believes boots with a lift are a much better indicator of tibial distraction than a virtual simulation. He also believes that additional height should be proportional to starting height for best aesthetic results. So you can sit here and postulate all you want... i'm gonna go with the guy who's been doing this forever.