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Posted on Nov 19, 2022, 12:04 pm
#91
Congratulation StandTaller! I have been going through the same journey like you but with lengthening less than 1 cm than you (10,75 cm only).

End of next week, it will be exactly three months post-clicking for me (I stopped 31th August) and I am almost fully recovered and can do almost every daily routines like before. I have passed the crutches three weeks ago and I have noticed since this time my gluteus got strong very much and this has improved my gait further. I need to concentrate and walk slowly to avoid swinging but I am sure this is also only a question of time.

You are  also a really good example that large lengthening amounts are realistic, unlike do doctors other than Betz/Becker say (at least with a weight-bearing nail). It is not gonna be easy and along a lot of side effects like duck ass, wide legs, lower back pain etc. but it is manageable. I don't know how it is in your case but the real good thing of improving your duck ass is that you will gonna come closer to your final end. When I stopped lengthening I was about 172 cm and now I am almost 174 cm (173,8 to be precise Stand Taller diary - The first day of the rest of my life (Betz Bone 14.01.2022).

So be exited where you will end up.
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Posted on Nov 19, 2022, 5:42 pm
#92
Congrats on the progress, amazing to hear!  Stand Taller diary - The first day of the rest of my life (Betz Bone 14.01.2022)
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Posted on Nov 19, 2022, 11:48 pm
#93
Quote from: Taller90 on November 19, 2022, 12:04:33 PMCongratulation StandTaller! I have been going through the same journey like you but with lengthening less than 1 cm than you (10,75 cm only).

End of next week, it will be exactly three months post-clicking for me (I stopped 31th August) and I am almost fully recovered and can do almost every daily routines like before. I have passed the crutches three weeks ago and I have noticed since this time my gluteus got strong very much and this has improved my gait further. I need to concentrate and walk slowly to avoid swinging but I am sure this is also only a question of time.

You are  also a really good example that large lengthening amounts are realistic, unlike do doctors other than Betz/Becker say (at least with a weight-bearing nail). It is not gonna be easy and along a lot of side effects like duck ass, wide legs, lower back pain etc. but it is manageable. I don't know how it is in your case but the real good thing of improving your duck ass is that you will gonna come closer to your final end. When I stopped lengthening I was about 172 cm and now I am almost 174 cm (173,8 to be precise Stand Taller diary - The first day of the rest of my life (Betz Bone 14.01.2022).

So be exited where you will end up.

Congrats to yourself Taller90! Wow, you've done almost the same length I me! Do I remember correctly that you also had duck ass? Do you still have it? How severe is it if so? How has your progress with strength and stamina been after you stopped using the crutches? I still feel like I am a walking in a pool of water, so I do need strength to walk and that does make me quicker tired and limits how far I can walk.

How are you experiencing your new height? Even though I am also probably missing 1-2 cm my life has already changed, I don't feel small anymore. Hung out with a friend today who is 180cm, and I feel basically the same height as him. But it is still such strange and awesome sensation feeling the same height as him and being able to look him straight into his eyes.

Here is a photo of me earlier this week with my physiotherapist who is 180cm tall!

https://freeimage.host/i/HHF9EWg
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Posted on Nov 20, 2022, 1:01 am
#94
Quote from: Stand taller on November 19, 2022, 11:48:33 PMCongrats to yourself Taller90! Wow, you've done almost the same length I me! Do I remember correctly that you also had duck ass? Do you still have it? How severe is it if so? How has your progress with strength and stamina been after you stopped using the crutches? I still feel like I am a walking in a pool of water, so I do need strength to walk and that does make me quicker tired and limits how far I can walk.

How are you experiencing your new height? Even though I am also probably missing 1-2 cm my life has already changed, I don't feel small anymore. Hung out with a friend today who is 180cm, and I feel basically the same height as him. But it is still such strange and awesome sensation feeling the same height as him and being able to look him straight into his eyes.

Here is a photo of me earlier this week with my physiotherapist who is 180cm tall!

https://freeimage.host/i/HHF9EWg

Wow you look incredible man. Your tibiae are longer than those of your PT, your legs look so much better, how is this possible with that amount of lengthening :O.
Do you know if you had very long lower legs for your height and proportions before LL? Do you know your femur/tibia ratio?
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Posted on Nov 20, 2022, 10:48 am
#95
Quote from: Stand taller on November 19, 2022, 11:48:33 PMCongrats to yourself Taller90! Wow, you've done almost the same length I me! Do I remember correctly that you also had duck ass? Do you still have it? How severe is it if so? How has your progress with strength and stamina been after you stopped using the crutches? I still feel like I am a walking in a pool of water, so I do need strength to walk and that does make me quicker tired and limits how far I can walk.

How are you experiencing your new height? Even though I am also probably missing 1-2 cm my life has already changed, I don't feel small anymore. Hung out with a friend today who is 180cm, and I feel basically the same height as him. But it is still such strange and awesome sensation feeling the same height as him and being able to look him straight into his eyes.

Here is a photo of me earlier this week with my physiotherapist who is 180cm tall!

https://freeimage.host/i/HHF9EWg

Thanks Stand Taller! Indeed, I had a bad duck ass, suffering from it since 3-4 cm. It was very hard to walk longer distances due to the pain in the lower back. However after clicking it got very much better in a two step approach. The first step was during the first 10 days after clicking and after that it got better but in smaller steps only. The second big step came 5-10 days ago (2,5 months post clicking) since when I am missing any pain in the lower back, so that I can walk very easy also for long distances without crutches Stand Taller diary - The first day of the rest of my life (Betz Bone 14.01.2022) 

Your feelings regarding strength and stamina are normal. I am now almost a month without crutches and I was limited as well at the beginning. I think it took me 2 weeks before I tried to do upstairs without crutches and a couple of days later I lost any lower back pain at all. This was 5-10 days ago, so that I am now able to walk almost as much as I want  Stand Taller diary - The first day of the rest of my life (Betz Bone 14.01.2022) Again it is till not perfect but I am progressing every day and you will do it as well as long as you practice enough Stand Taller diary - The first day of the rest of my life (Betz Bone 14.01.2022). I assume your feeling comes from a poor gluteus (which is normal afters this surgery...) but this will get stronger with every meter you are walking without crutches. My Physio told me that a strong gluteus (and strong stomach muscles (Sixpack)) help you to reduce your duck ass as well as they can pull the hip back to their normal position.  Try to get them stronger, maybe it helps.

Please don't get me wrong but honestly, I had not really a height neurosis, feeling desperate to be "smaller" than others or so. Of course I was it but I think I have been compensating it to a large extend with my self-confidence. I have done it in the first instance to get the most out of my body and life etc. However, I must agree that the new height is a great feeling!!!  The most people here are about 175-180cm  and I have now the feeling to be on the same eye-level as well. This is an incredible feeling - strange, indeed, but very cool  Stand Taller diary - The first day of the rest of my life (Betz Bone 14.01.2022)
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Posted on Nov 21, 2022, 6:41 pm
#96
Quote from: RealLostSoul on November 20, 2022, 01:01:32 AMWow you look incredible man. Your tibiae are longer than those of your PT, your legs look so much better, how is this possible with that amount of lengthening :O.
Do you know if you had very long lower legs for your height and proportions before LL? Do you know your femur/tibia ratio?

Wow! I didn't even notice that, but you are right! My torso may seem shorter than my PT though, but in reality I think they are pretty much the same. I always used small or even XS in clothes before, but when I put on those same clothes they seem to short. I think I wore those sizes because I didn't want longer clothes than necessary because of my short legs. But now with longer legs I think it would look more normal and natural for me to wear medium. So if I wore a medium sweater I think our torsos would look pretty much the same.

I don't have any exact measurements, but I did have very short femurs before. An example of this is while sitting next to a friend who is 178cm, out sitting height would be the same, and our knee height would be the same. This means that where I was lacking in length really was in my femurs. This is also why I could lengthen them as much as 11,5cm without my proportions being strange. And actually as you can see in the photo I have much better proportions now than before.
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Posted on Nov 21, 2022, 7:27 pm
#97
Quote from: Taller90 on November 20, 2022, 10:48:48 AMThanks Stand Taller! Indeed, I had a bad duck ass, suffering from it since 3-4 cm. It was very hard to walk longer distances due to the pain in the lower back. However after clicking it got very much better in a two step approach. The first step was during the first 10 days after clicking and after that it got better but in smaller steps only. The second big step came 5-10 days ago (2,5 months post clicking) since when I am missing any pain in the lower back, so that I can walk very easy also for long distances without crutches Stand Taller diary - The first day of the rest of my life (Betz Bone 14.01.2022) 

Your feelings regarding strength and stamina are normal. I am now almost a month without crutches and I was limited as well at the beginning. I think it took me 2 weeks before I tried to do upstairs without crutches and a couple of days later I lost any lower back pain at all. This was 5-10 days ago, so that I am now able to walk almost as much as I want  Stand Taller diary - The first day of the rest of my life (Betz Bone 14.01.2022) Again it is till not perfect but I am progressing every day and you will do it as well as long as you practice enough Stand Taller diary - The first day of the rest of my life (Betz Bone 14.01.2022). I assume your feeling comes from a poor gluteus (which is normal afters this surgery...) but this will get stronger with every meter you are walking without crutches. My Physio told me that a strong gluteus (and strong stomach muscles (Sixpack)) help you to reduce your duck ass as well as they can pull the hip back to their normal position.  Try to get them stronger, maybe it helps.

Please don't get me wrong but honestly, I had not really a height neurosis, feeling desperate to be "smaller" than others or so. Of course I was it but I think I have been compensating it to a large extend with my self-confidence. I have done it in the first instance to get the most out of my body and life etc. However, I must agree that the new height is a great feeling!!!  The most people here are about 175-180cm  and I have now the feeling to be on the same eye-level as well. This is an incredible feeling - strange, indeed, but very cool  Stand Taller diary - The first day of the rest of my life (Betz Bone 14.01.2022)

I also feel now that I don't have much or any pain in my lower back while walking, so I can now do normal shopping and walking around without lower back pain. I think this will also just improve more and more as time goes by.

Yeah, my PT has also told me that strong glutes and belly muscles will help against duck ass. So I do exercises daily. I live two flights of stairs up, so actually was able to walk up stairs without crutches a while back, and then down (I found walking down harder than walking up) shortly after that.

I totally understand what you mean, because I honestly didn't feel I had much or any height neurosis - or even any complex about my height. Honestly I feel I have tried to take as much of a logical and reasonable approach towards this whole thing. I feel I am a very confident and well spoken person, I dress nicely and I look reasonable handsome. I have had several long term relationships with very pretty women, all of them taller than me. My last girlfriend was 173cm tall, and It really never bothered me or her. I am also quite successful (as most here who can afford these surgeries) and have a sizable social media following.

So from a "stats" perspective I feel I have many boxes ticked off. I also have an enormous work capacity and I have worked my ass off for years to get here! For the most part I am happy with myself and my life. But with being said, I do know about the countless studies that show what a disadvantage being a short man is. I was 165cm tall in a nordic country, and that is very short. Studies show that short men will make less for the same amount of work, short men will have a harder time being promoted, shorter men earn less respect, shorter men are taken less seriously and woman find shorter men less attractive.

For me it was simple and logical. Knowing what I know, why would I want to live the rest of my life at a disadvantage? Knowing what I know, why would I want to work harder and get less success, less respect and less payment for the same amount of work as my piers? Knowing what i know, why would I not want to level the playing field if possbile. So that is pretty much the biggest reason I did what I did, so I could play on the same level as the rest of society. I no longer have a disadvantage in the work place, I no longer have a disadvantage at a social gathering and I no longer have a disadvantage with women.

There is a famous study that show women will reject men 85% of the time if you are 165cm tall. The same study shows the rejection rate is only 15% when you are 178cm tall. For my whole adult life I have gotten countless of compliments from women about my looks, heck I've had drop dead gorgeous women come up to me and say things like "you're hot" or "I am gonna marry you". I am not saying this to brag or tut my own horn, but to be real and honest. Almost none of those encounters with women even got me a date. For a long time this really fked with my head. How can I keep hearing these nice words from women so many times, but at the same time not getting much success? How can drop dead gorgeous women slide into my DMs, ask me out and when they meet me things change up completely? For years I could not make any sense of any of this.....



... until I one day became self-conscious about my height, then it all made sense. It doesn't matter how good looking you are if you are short, well to most women. I have a had success with women, don't get me wrong. But the amount of women I had to meet to so I could meet that one girl who didn't care about height was always very hard work. Again, I not trying to brag - and if I am coming across that way I do apologize. I understand I was, or am lucky. Short and good looking is not as bad as short and average, or even short and below average. But I do genuinely believe that if you are average looking and average height you will have good success with women - more so than short and good looking.

At the end of the day, there are many reasons for me doing this. But in general it has been to make life easier in as many ways as possible.

I'll end on a different note, to put what I am saying into a different perspective. A few years back I looked at buying a Range Rover, the big one. Loved the car, and really wanted one. But there was one issues, an issues I encountered many times in large cars. And that was the seat cushion being to long for my short femurs, and I could not if my life depended on it sit comfortably because my femurs where too short. In other words I was literally too short for a Range Rover. When the new one came to dealers this summer, I knew I was gonna love it! But the big questions was, would I now fit better? And yes, the answer is YES! I have no problems and my femurs are now more than long enough for the long cushion of the new Range Rover. It may sound like a small and trivial thing, but for me it is another huge improvement in life quality.
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Posted on Nov 21, 2022, 9:51 pm
#98
Quote from: Stand taller on November 21, 2022, 07:27:59 PMI also feel now that I don't have much or any pain in my lower back while walking, so I can now do normal shopping and walking around without lower back pain. I think this will also just improve more and more as time goes by.

Yeah, my PT has also told me that strong glutes and belly muscles will help against duck ass. So I do exercises daily. I live two flights of stairs up, so actually was able to walk up stairs without crutches a while back, and then down (I found walking down harder than walking up) shortly after that.

I totally understand what you mean, because I honestly didn't feel I had much or any height neurosis - or even any complex about my height. Honestly I feel I have tried to take as much of a logical and reasonable approach towards this whole thing. I feel I am a very confident and well spoken person, I dress nicely and I look reasonable handsome. I have had several long term relationships with very pretty women, all of them taller than me. My last girlfriend was 173cm tall, and It really never bothered me or her. I am also quite successful (as most here who can afford these surgeries) and have a sizable social media following.

So from a "stats" perspective I feel I have many boxes ticked off. I also have an enormous work capacity and I have worked my ass off for years to get here! For the most part I am happy with myself and my life. But with being said, I do know about the countless studies that show what a disadvantage being a short man is. I was 165cm tall in a nordic country, and that is very short. Studies show that short men will make less for the same amount of work, short men will have a harder time being promoted, shorter men earn less respect, shorter men are taken less seriously and woman find shorter men less attractive.

For me it was simple and logical. Knowing what I know, why would I want to live the rest of my life at a disadvantage? Knowing what I know, why would I want to work harder and get less success, less respect and less payment for the same amount of work as my piers? Knowing what i know, why would I not want to level the playing field if possbile. So that is pretty much the biggest reason I did what I did, so I could play on the same level as the rest of society. I no longer have a disadvantage in the work place, I no longer have a disadvantage at a social gathering and I no longer have a disadvantage with women.

There is a famous study that show women will reject men 85% of the time if you are 165cm tall. The same study shows the rejection rate is only 15% when you are 178cm tall. For my whole adult life I have gotten countless of compliments from women about my looks, heck I've had drop dead gorgeous women come up to me and say things like "you're hot" or "I am gonna marry you". I am not saying this to brag or tut my own horn, but to be real and honest. Almost none of those encounters with women even got me a date. For a long time this really fked with my head. How can I keep hearing these nice words from women so many times, but at the same time not getting much success? How can drop dead gorgeous women slide into my DMs, ask me out and when they meet me things change up completely? For years I could not make any sense of any of this.....



... until I one day became self-conscious about my height, then it all made sense. It doesn't matter how good looking you are if you are short, well to most women. I have a had success with women, don't get me wrong. But the amount of women I had to meet to so I could meet that one girl who didn't care about height was always very hard work. Again, I not trying to brag - and if I am coming across that way I do apologize. I understand I was, or am lucky. Short and good looking is not as bad as short and average, or even short and below average. But I do genuinely believe that if you are average looking and average height you will have good success with women - more so than short and good looking.

At the end of the day, there are many reasons for me doing this. But in general it has been to make life easier in as many ways as possible.

I'll end on a different note, to put what I am saying into a different perspective. A few years back I looked at buying a Range Rover, the big one. Loved the car, and really wanted one. But there was one issues, an issues I encountered many times in large cars. And that was the seat cushion being to long for my short femurs, and I could not if my life depended on it sit comfortably because my femurs where too short. In other words I was literally too short for a Range Rover. When the new one came to dealers this summer, I knew I was gonna love it! But the big questions was, would I now fit better? And yes, the answer is YES! I have no problems and my femurs are now more than long enough for the long cushion of the new Range Rover. It may sound like a small and trivial thing, but for me it is another huge improvement in life quality.

Hi Stand Taller,
I've read it from start to finish over and over, I couldn't stop reading.
You mentioned so many situations that I could identify with.

Thank you very much for it!
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Posted on Nov 22, 2022, 2:18 am
#99
Hello Stand Taller, your diary and your progress so far have been incredible, also having achieved those 12 cm in just one segment, admirable. Tell me, how are you doing so far in terms of your bone recovery, your athletic ability...etc?

and one last question, is it true that betz allows his patients to lengthen between 8 and 9 inches?
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Posted on Nov 22, 2022, 12:56 pm
#100
Quote from: Infinite on November 21, 2022, 09:51:14 PMHi Stand Taller,
I've read it from start to finish over and over, I couldn't stop reading.
You mentioned so many situations that I could identify with.

Thank you very much for it!

I am glad you appreciated what i wrote. My diary may be a little different to others because I am trying as good as possbile to convey my feelings, before and after. We can talk about as many technical things a possbile, but at the end of the say we are all left alone with our feelings and how we feel.
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