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Posted on Jan 16, 2023, 1:37 am
#121
Quote from: Long_Drink_Of_Pi$$ on January 15, 2023, 08:52:53 AMawesome diary

can you show a photo of your legs now? we want to see if you look like this now:

 Stand Taller diary - The first day of the rest of my life (Betz Bone 14.01.2022)
Everyone loves to troll this guy's picture. I think wearing a bikini shaped briefs makes his femurs look extra long is part of it. Normal briefs he'd look less weird. Boxers he might even look ok. Perhaps someone can Photoshop? I'm curious to see how much is his actual proportions vs idiotic choice of bikini briefs.
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Posted on Jan 16, 2023, 1:59 am
#122
Were you ever medically confirmed to be 1:1 ratio before LL? You can only say that via xray really. Most people just measure wrongly, a common mistake is measuring heel to top of the knee (is not tibia length) and from of the knee to groin area (is not the femur length).

I am asking this specifically because 1:1 ratio would mean you have had some pretty strong birth defect or perhaps severe accident during growth years. Just imagine this for a second; a quick search reveals that the mean average femur length in the average Joe is 50cm. And the tibia 39cm.
That means imagine how the average Joe would look like with +11cm only on tibia LL. Yea that would be a true 1:1 ratio. You can shop any person with that amount on tibia only and you will see how freaky it looks. I did +10 mockup on tibia myself and it look really alienish. I am all for long tibias but with tiny femurs it did look like on stelts. But it would be 1:1 ratio.

 there is a reason why body parts grow to their correct sizes and proportions. And not your pinky being all of a sudden as big as your middle finger for example. And no severe conditions I ever heard of, even like marfan syndrome (where all of your limbs are elongated) have 1:1 ratio. „i have 1:1 ratio“ most often means wrongly measured or just guessed.
The thing I wanna add here is that most males wear boxershorts and they visually cut off quite a bit of the femur that‘s why a lot of people consider their femurs as short
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Posted on Jan 16, 2023, 2:05 am
#123
Quote from: EndGame on January 16, 2023, 01:37:31 AMEveryone loves to troll this guy's picture. I think wearing a bikini shaped briefs makes his femurs look extra long is part of it. Normal briefs he'd look less weird. Boxers he might even look ok. Perhaps someone can Photoshop? I'm curious to see how much is his actual proportions vs idiotic choice of bikini briefs.
This guy's proportions probably don't look as bad now. I imagine he has built a lot more muscle in his thighs which balances his frame out.
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Posted on Jan 16, 2023, 2:20 am
#124
Quote from: EndGame on January 16, 2023, 01:37:31 AMEveryone loves to troll this guy's picture. I think wearing a bikini shaped briefs makes his femurs look extra long is part of it. Normal briefs he'd look less weird. Boxers he might even look ok. Perhaps someone can Photoshop? I'm curious to see how much is his actual proportions vs idiotic choice of bikini briefs.

Here you go I shopped him with normal boxershorts. not the best shop but does the trick. tbh makes up a lot. yea he would benefit a lot from tibia LL. his upper body and everything else fits perfectly. it's only the tibiae look really short.
he can cover it up with clothing and lift shoes.

e:/ ok for whatever reason I can't post a pic. so here a link: https://imgur.com/a/Lju6Hjs
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Posted on Jan 16, 2023, 2:32 am
#125
Quote from: RealLostSoul on January 16, 2023, 01:59:57 AMWere you ever medically confirmed to be 1:1 ratio before LL? You can only say that via xray really. Most people just measure wrongly, a common mistake is measuring heel to top of the knee (is not tibia length) and from of the knee to groin area (is not the femur length).

I am asking this specifically because 1:1 ratio would mean you have had some pretty strong birth defect or perhaps severe accident during growth years. Just imagine this for a second; a quick search reveals that the mean average femur length in the average Joe is 50cm. And the tibia 39cm.
That means imagine how the average Joe would look like with +11cm only on tibia LL. Yea that would be a true 1:1 ratio. You can shop any person with that amount on tibia only and you will see how freaky it looks. I did +10 mockup on tibia myself and it look really alienish. I am all for long tibias but with tiny femurs it did look like on stelts. But it would be 1:1 ratio.

 there is a reason why body parts grow to their correct sizes and proportions. And not your pinky being all of a sudden as big as your middle finger for example. And no severe conditions I ever heard of, even like marfan syndrome (where all of your limbs are elongated) have 1:1 ratio. „i have 1:1 ratio“ most often means wrongly measured or just guessed.
The thing I wanna add here is that most males wear boxershorts and they visually cut off quite a bit of the femur that‘s why a lot of people consider their femurs as short

No never had my femurs or tibias medically measured. I used these two videos to measure correctly:




So my measurement isn't 100% accurate, but should be close enough. I could also cross reference this method on my femurs with the scars from where the nails and screws went in against my x-rays. This way I was able to measure the length more accurately. My femurs are now 50cm and my tibias 37cm. If I subtract 11,4cm from my femurs, that puts them at 38,6 before surgery.

I don't have any birth defects that I know of. But compared to friends who are 178-180cm the height of my knee while sitting and also my sitting height has be very close to them. So I've just had short femurs, I mean people have different proportions right. A friend in our group is 175cm tall, but his sitting height is more than another friend who is 191cm. I also made a ton of mock-ups before surgery and I looked fine in all of them. This is also how I was confident that I could lengthen as much as I did.

I've also written about this before, but I had so short femurs before that I had problems driving bigger cars like Range Rovers or Volvo XC90s because the length of the cushion was too long. Just take a look at this photo, I am sitting in the back of larger luxury car and the cushion is longer than my femurs. Nobody I know at my old height ever had this problem.

https://freeimage.host/i/HaH8nxn
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Posted on Jan 16, 2023, 5:56 pm
#126
Day 368 (Day 210 Post clicking)

It's now more than a year since I did my surgery and I am not fully recovered yet, so I thought I'd write a little timeline for my recovery and why I think my recovery is taking more time than most others.

My surgery was on January 14th 2022. Everything went well and I grew 6mm from the initial gap. I know I wrote 5mm in my diary, but at the time I just rounded down - but the gap was 6mm to be accurate.

On January 23rd, nine days after surgery I started the process of clicking. After almost 5 months of clicking I and a little more than 5 months after my surgery I was done clicking. In this time period I had lengthened 11,5cm reaching a height of 177cm.

In the beginning of September I stopped using crutches at home and I slowly started to walk. On November 16th I stopped using crutches altogether being able to walk outside the house without them.

December 1st I got the Flu and was knocked out for about three weeks, altogether I lost a good month of progress.

Today on the 16th of January 2023 I am walking better, more upright and more normal than ever - though I am probably a few months away being able to walk 100% normal. I still have som duckass tough.

Some have commented that my recovery has been long, and that my duckass hasn't been resolved yet - and that it is worrying. Well, I am not worried and this is why I am not.

Yes it is true that most here are fully or almost fully recovered after a year, and I am not. Most people are not only able to walk, but also jog and even run - and I am still struggling with walking normally. But most people here lengthen between 5 - 8 cm, I did 11,5cm. (for some reason, the past few weeks I thought I lengthened 11,4cm, when in reality I did 11,5cm).

If you lengthen 6cm, that is done in 2,5 months in most cases. Sometimes faster and other times slower, but I think 2,5 months is fair average. It takes 40 days to consolidate 1cm of lengthening, so we are talking about 240 days or about 8 months. One year after surgery you are 9,5 months post lengthening and 1,5 months past being fully consolidated.

Now let's take a look at me. It took me 5,25 months to lengthening 11,5cm, and that will take 460 days to consolidate! So one year later I am "only" 6,75 months post lengthening and still 220 days from being fully consolidated. So you can see that because I lengthening 11,5cm I am actually around three months behind post lengthening period than somebody who "only" lengthening 6cm. And I am "only" half way through consolidating rather than being fully consolidated 1,5 months ago. And all of this is considering that recovery time is linear independent of lengthening amount, when in reality I probably will need even more time to recovery per cm due to my extreme lengthening.

Where person who did 6cm may be at 100% recovered at the one year mark, I am due to a different timeline only about 57-60% done. So yeah, twice the lengthening is going to take around twice the time to get back to being 100% recovered.

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Posted on Jan 16, 2023, 6:33 pm
#127
of course consolidation will take longer for you but that‘s not the thing that causes your duckass. To me personally it sounds very strange that you stopped crutches 3 months POST clicking at home, why so late? I stopped crutches at home entirely when I was at 6cm. At like 8.5cm I only used 1 crutch outside and sometimes when it wasn‘t too icy even only hiking sticks. All that helped me to actively fight duckass. If you are on crutches you are in a passive posture that pushes you into duckass.
I know a person that did 10.5cm and 4 weeks post clicking he was walking 100% normal with 0 duckass. Only with less stamina than before, obviously and no sports yet. 8 weeks later he sent another video and it really looks so normal. Fast and perfect gait.
I think it comes down to stretching and training. Am I remembering correctly, you did 2hours of stretching during lengthening?
That‘s sadly just not enough. Especially for 11-12cm. You would need 4h minimum, no days off. Even at only 12/13 clicks (0.6-0.7mm/day) you need 4h.

Not meaning to be offensive by any means but from my personal experience something feels a bit off with your chronology.
I personally end up at 11cm and I am at the very last few days of clicking. Only need one crutch for stairs and steps now as I need to wait a bit before I can do these unassisted but that‘s it. Duckass is slightly there but no backpain at all and it‘s only a bit visible without clothes. No wide legs at all, very loose it band (soft release was definitely enough lol). Stamina is very low. Can only walk max 45min outside before being fatigued. But muscle strengthening will become my next step soon.
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Posted on Jan 16, 2023, 6:42 pm
#128
Quote from: Stand taller on January 16, 2023, 02:32:07 AMNo never had my femurs or tibias medically measured. I used these two videos to measure correctly:

When you took x-rays before the surgery, they didn't measure your tibias and femurs? I thought it's pretty standard...
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Posted on Jan 16, 2023, 7:27 pm
#129
Quote from: RealLostSoul on January 16, 2023, 06:33:11 PMof course consolidation will take longer for you but that‘s not the thing that causes your duckass. To me personally it sounds very strange that you stopped crutches 3 months POST clicking at home, why so late? I stopped crutches at home entirely when I was at 6cm. At like 8.5cm I only used 1 crutch outside and sometimes when it wasn‘t too icy even only hiking sticks. All that helped me to actively fight duckass. If you are on crutches you are in a passive posture that pushes you into duckass.
I know a person that did 10.5cm and 4 weeks post clicking he was walking 100% normal with 0 duckass. Only with less stamina than before, obviously and no sports yet. 8 weeks later he sent another video and it really looks so normal. Fast and perfect gait.
I think it comes down to stretching and training. Am I remembering correctly, you did 2hours of stretching during lengthening?
That‘s sadly just not enough. Especially for 11-12cm. You would need 4h minimum, no days off. Even at only 12/13 clicks (0.6-0.7mm/day) you need 4h.

Not meaning to be offensive by any means but from my personal experience something feels a bit off with your chronology.
I personally end up at 11cm and I am at the very last few days of clicking. Only need one crutch for stairs and steps now as I need to wait a bit before I can do these unassisted but that‘s it. Duckass is slightly there but no backpain at all and it‘s only a bit visible without clothes. No wide legs at all, very loose it band (soft release was definitely enough lol). Stamina is very low. Can only walk max 45min outside before being fatigued. But muscle strengthening will become my next step soon.

I appreciate your feedback, but the thing you have to understand is that where are not all the same. Our bodies react to this procedure differently, and different people have different problems and issues. No two stories are the same and cannot be compared directly. There is a diary here on the forum from years ago where two friends lengthening at the same time and did around the same amount of lengthening. One of the friends developed duckass and wide legs, while the other friend did not. The one that did develop these complications also spent like three times more the amount on stretching than the other guy. There is no right or wrong here, just different bodies reacting differently.

I am glad you are have been able to walk better than me, have less duck ass than me and been able to stretch as much as 4 hours every day. But if you have read all of my posts I didn't stretch for "only" 2 hours every day because I didn't want to, but because that was the limit my body was able to handle. Believe me when I say I tried and I wanted, there is nothing wrong with my power of will. In my 20s I played sports at a very high level, so I know what pushing my body to the limit feels like over years. I even prepared three months in advance, stretching every day.

I have had weeks where I have fell a sleep on the sofa for hours at random times in the day because I was completely exhausted. If you can't stay awake enough hours it doesn't matter how much time you spend on stretching if can't do anything else.

For months at my physiotherapist at the time I stopped clicking I had such bad duckass and poor range of motion because of it as well as the stiffness we used to strap myself to the bench with belts using the electric motors to pull me flat. We did this until I screamed in pain until I couldn't handle it. Read that again, I was so stiff that me pushing while be used all of his power and body wright wasn't enough to stretch me. The only thing that worked was an electric motor.

You may think my story is strange, but believe me - you where never even close to how bad I was. And if you where you'd have a little more sympathy and understanding. You wouldn't saying things like "that's so strange, because I didn't have those problems".

Here is a photo of me strapped to the bench.

https://freeimage.host/i/HauJrHx

EDIT:

And also dude, just found your diary. You are 21! And am close to 40 now, that's gonna make A HUGE DIFFERENCE! There is no comparing our stories.
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Posted on Jan 16, 2023, 8:20 pm
#130
Quote from: hippo60 on January 16, 2023, 06:42:49 PMWhen you took x-rays before the surgery, they didn't measure your tibias and femurs? I thought it's pretty standard...

Took x-rays of my femurs, but not my tibias. Not sure why they would x-ray my tibias when doing surgery on my femurs though?
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