Stand Taller diary - The first day of the rest of my life (Betz Bone 14.01.2022)

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Posted on Jan 16, 2022, 11:11 am

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Day Three

Yesterday I was a bit nauseous and actually threw up. The doctors said this was because of the general anesthesia from the surgery leaving my system. I also walked three times down the hallway and back on crutches, I'm guessing around 60-70m back and forth. I also accidentally clicked yesterday as well, one full click. It did not hurt or feel uncomfortable. In general I have very little pain. It was worst this morning before taking my morning dose of painkillers. The Doctor has also said that the pain is at its worse two to three days after surgery.

I seen people commenting this and that about what height I should go, and I will not engage in any discussions. I am not a doctor, you guys are not doctors so I'll let the professionals handle this. And so far it has been smooth sailing. If people get to negative or toxic here I will just delete this thread since my diary is meant to be something positive for me to share. If it gets negative, I will not continue.

On tuesday I will look at he X-rays with the doctor to measure the exact ratio. When it comes to body ratio I am not at all worried about this. When I sit next to friends who are around 177-178cm tall we have the same sitting height and also same tibia height. So adding 11cm to my femurs will improve my proportions dramatically.

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Posted on Jan 16, 2022, 11:26 am

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My post wasn't to discourage you at all. Certainly do what you feel is best!

I'm glad to hear you're doing well. I look forward to the updates

Stand Taller diary - The first day of the rest of my life (Betz Bone 14.01.2022)

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Posted on Jan 16, 2022, 12:03 pm

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Quote from: Stretch on January 15, 2022, 02:18:28 PMJust remembered another patient with Bezt who also explained he had a longer Tibia to Femur ratio, this conversation was held on Cyborg’s YouTube channel.

Yes this was me lol. I lengthened 10,5cm with betz back last year. I had way longer Tibias than femurs so I could pull it off. If your femurs are already quite long compared to your Tibias it will look really weird once you go over a certain amount of length.

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Posted on Jan 16, 2022, 12:29 pm

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Quote from: LegendKiller on January 16, 2022, 12:03:12 PMYes this was me lol. I lengthened 10,5cm with betz back last year. I had way longer Tibias than femurs so I could pull it off. If your femurs are already quite long compared to your Tibias it will look really weird once you go over a certain amount of length.

Nice! You guys are fortunate to obtain theses Femur Lengths without looking weird.

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Posted on Jan 16, 2022, 12:49 pm

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Quote from: Stretch on January 16, 2022, 12:29:08 PMNice! You guys are fortunate to obtain theses Femur Lengths without looking weird.

There's definitely a lot to be considered when deciding for how much length you want to obtain. Starting proportions are just one factor but to be fair a pretty important one. I personally would not have aimed for 10-11cm if my femur would have been already longer than my tibias.

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Posted on Jan 16, 2022, 4:39 pm

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Quote from: LegendKiller on January 16, 2022, 12:03:12 PMYes this was me lol. I lengthened 10,5cm with betz back last year. I had way longer Tibias than femurs so I could pull it off. If your femurs are already quite long compared to your Tibias it will look really weird once you go over a certain amount of length.

Don't remember but isn't normal tibia to femur ratio around 0,84? This means if your femurs and tibia are the same length you can lengthen femurs quite a bit before moving outside of this ratio.

How was you lengthening? How quickly were you able to walk about without crutches? What levels of paint did you have after surgery and while lengthening? For me while laying in bed its been from a 0/10 to around 2/10. And when walking with crutches around 0/10 to around 3/10.

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Posted on Jan 16, 2022, 5:16 pm

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Quote from: Stand taller on January 16, 2022, 11:11:00 AMDay Three

Yesterday I was a bit nauseous and actually threw up. The doctors said this was because of the general anesthesia from the surgery leaving my system. I also walked three times down the hallway and back on crutches, I'm guessing around 60-70m back and forth. I also accidentally clicked yesterday as well, one full click. It did not hurt or feel uncomfortable. In general I have very little pain. It was worst this morning before taking my morning dose of painkillers. The Doctor has also said that the pain is at its worse two to three days after surgery.

I seen people commenting this and that about what height I should go, and I will not engage in any discussions. I am not a doctor, you guys are not doctors so I'll let the professionals handle this. And so far it has been smooth sailing. If people get to negative or toxic here I will just delete this thread since my diary is meant to be something positive for me to share. If it gets negative, I will not continue.

On tuesday I will look at he X-rays with the doctor to measure the exact ratio. When it comes to body ratio I am not at all worried about this. When I sit next to friends who are around 177-178cm tall we have the same sitting height and also same tibia height. So adding 11cm to my femurs will improve my proportions dramatically.

There is a reason why the precise and stryde nail, which Dr. Paley himself co-designed, has a limit of 8cm. The new weightbearing synoste nail will have a limit of 7cm. It is because studies indicate that lengthening above 6-8cm lead to exponentially higher risks of medical problems down the road.

I agree neither of us are professionals or doctors. However, you should get a medical opinion from people other than Dr. Betz before you pursue that amount of length. You could email Dr. Paley for instance, I heard he usually replies. I understand that it might be more pleasing aesthetically and proportion wise in your case, but medically it is not recommended.

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Quote from: Stand taller on January 16, 2022, 11:11:00 AMDay Three

Yesterday I was a bit nauseous and actually threw up. The doctors said this was because of the general anesthesia from the surgery leaving my system. I also walked three times down the hallway and back on crutches, I'm guessing around 60-70m back and forth. I also accidentally clicked yesterday as well, one full click. It did not hurt or feel uncomfortable. In general I have very little pain. It was worst this morning before taking my morning dose of painkillers. The Doctor has also said that the pain is at its worse two to three days after surgery.

I seen people commenting this and that about what height I should go, and I will not engage in any discussions. I am not a doctor, you guys are not doctors so I'll let the professionals handle this. And so far it has been smooth sailing. If people get to negative or toxic here I will just delete this thread since my diary is meant to be something positive for me to share. If it gets negative, I will not continue.

On tuesday I will look at he X-rays with the doctor to measure the exact ratio. When it comes to body ratio I am not at all worried about this. When I sit next to friends who are around 177-178cm tall we have the same sitting height and also same tibia height. So adding 11cm to my femurs will improve my proportions dramatically.

There is a reason why the precise and stryde nail, which Dr. Paley himself co-designed, has a limit of 8cm. The new weightbearing synoste nail will have a limit of 7cm. It is because studies indicate that lengthening above 6-8cm lead to exponentially higher risks of medical problems down the road.

I agree neither of us are professionals or doctors. However, you should get a medical opinion from people other than Dr. Betz before you pursue that amount of length. You could email Dr. Paley for instance, I heard he usually replies. I understand that it might be more pleasing aesthetically and proportion wise in your case, but medically it is not recommended.

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Posted on Jan 16, 2022, 7:41 pm

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Quote from: Stand taller on January 16, 2022, 04:39:47 PMDon't remember but isn't normal tibia to femur ratio around 0,84? This means if your femurs and tibia are the same length you can lengthen femurs quite a bit before moving outside of this ratio.

How was you lengthening? How quickly were you able to walk about without crutches? What levels of paint did you have after surgery and while lengthening? For me while laying in bed its been from a 0/10 to around 2/10. And when walking with crutches around 0/10 to around 3/10.

My tibias where 90% ratio to my femurs so way to long. That's why I lengthened that much.
pain levels after surgery where OK because of the opioid they gave me.
I was very disappointed with betz tho. Him not releasing my It band and also not even informing me on potential wide legs issue upfront caused me massive problems. I began walking approx. 7-8 months after surgery because I had to get my extremely tight ITB (which was not going back to normal on its own) released with another surgeon otherwise I would not be able to walk right now. Betz completely ignored my issues and even told me stop texting him because quote "he had other clients to answer to as well". If it wasn't for his unprofessional behavior I would have been able to walk maybe a month after I was done lengthing because my training was on point (so almost 5 months earlier than I did!). I talked about all this in detail in my interview with cyborg so feel free to watch it.
I don't regret LL it was the best decision of my life and my Dream but in hindsight I would not choose betz again. He was a major letdown and didn't care one bit about my wellbeing and I also heard the same from many of his other patients. If you really want to lengthen 10-11cm or even if it's just 7-8cm get a plan for getting your ITB released if it becomes necessary otherwise you will be fked and unable to walk normally like I was. Trust me. A lot of unforeseen issues can arise and betz unfortunately is a very careless surgeon. Don't wanna scare you just be aware... The worst time wasn't the lengthning itself for me but the months thereafter where I was unsure of when I'll be able to walk normally again. Betz did not care one bit and I had to get that fixed all by myself (Finding another surgeon, paying for another surgery etc.)
I hope your journey goes well man and you are being taken care of better than I was. Make smart decisions along the way and stay ahead as best as you can.

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Quote from: Stand taller on January 16, 2022, 04:39:47 PMDon't remember but isn't normal tibia to femur ratio around 0,84? This means if your femurs and tibia are the same length you can lengthen femurs quite a bit before moving outside of this ratio.

How was you lengthening? How quickly were you able to walk about without crutches? What levels of paint did you have after surgery and while lengthening? For me while laying in bed its been from a 0/10 to around 2/10. And when walking with crutches around 0/10 to around 3/10.

My tibias where 90% ratio to my femurs so way to long. That's why I lengthened that much.
pain levels after surgery where OK because of the opioid they gave me.
I was very disappointed with betz tho. Him not releasing my It band and also not even informing me on potential wide legs issue upfront caused me massive problems. I began walking approx. 7-8 months after surgery because I had to get my extremely tight ITB (which was not going back to normal on its own) released with another surgeon otherwise I would not be able to walk right now. Betz completely ignored my issues and even told me stop texting him because quote "he had other clients to answer to as well". If it wasn't for his unprofessional behavior I would have been able to walk maybe a month after I was done lengthing because my training was on point (so almost 5 months earlier than I did!). I talked about all this in detail in my interview with cyborg so feel free to watch it.
I don't regret LL it was the best decision of my life and my Dream but in hindsight I would not choose betz again. He was a major letdown and didn't care one bit about my wellbeing and I also heard the same from many of his other patients. If you really want to lengthen 10-11cm or even if it's just 7-8cm get a plan for getting your ITB released if it becomes necessary otherwise you will be fked and unable to walk normally like I was. Trust me. A lot of unforeseen issues can arise and betz unfortunately is a very careless surgeon. Don't wanna scare you just be aware... The worst time wasn't the lengthning itself for me but the months thereafter where I was unsure of when I'll be able to walk normally again. Betz did not care one bit and I had to get that fixed all by myself (Finding another surgeon, paying for another surgery etc.)
I hope your journey goes well man and you are being taken care of better than I was. Make smart decisions along the way and stay ahead as best as you can.

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Posted on Jan 21, 2022, 1:27 pm

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Day 7

It's now been a week since surgery and things are improving every day. I checked out of the hospital today and moved into a large and luxurious flat provided by Dr Betz and his colleagues. There is something exhausting mentally about living in a hospital that makes you feel "sick". Most of the days in the hospital have been exactly the same, so not much to write about. Been doing physio twice a day, which has been good. The worst thing has been the food at the hospital in Freiburg. One warm meal a day, and the rest of the meals with dry and lifeless bread... Now I have a stocked fridge and can order meals from Lieverando (Just eat) that Dr Betz pays for.

Me and one of the doctors also went into town today so I could shop some more sweat pants. I walked around 1km on crutches. Was really nice to get outside and breathe some fresh air. But after that distance I was pretty exhausted.

Pain levels have mostly been very low, but I have experienced some local pain here and there for shorter periods of time though. Nothing much to complain about. I am looking forward to spend the next week in this lovely and spacious flat, it's so serene here compared to the hospital. My mental health is much improved after just an hour here.

I have had around six accidental clicks so far, and we should start clicking tomorrow or Sunday. Hope that goes well!

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Posted on Jan 21, 2022, 10:46 pm

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Congrats on getting surgery! You already have the biggest step behind you. I had my surgery with Betz in October and will finish lengthening soon. Accidental clicks are normal - I had many during the first two weeks but it stops once the legs get stronger.

The food is definitely the worst part in that hospital - you can indicate your preference to the kitchen staff for breakfast and lunch but dinner is just bad. I ordered lieferando pretty much every evening. Good luck with clicking, I'm sure it will go well. Betz is great surgeon and you're in good hands!

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